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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Smackdog on November 13, 2010, 03:28:03 PM
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From The La Times
October 22, 2010 | 6:00 am
One of the worst kept secrets within West Coast hip-hop circles was the conflict between Ice Cube and the so-called New West clique, a loose coterie that includes Jay Rock, Nipsey Hussle, Glasses Malone, Crooked I and Bishop Lamont. The latter two had promised to make a "No Country for Old Men" mixtape aimed obliquely at Cube and other rappers they felt were impeding their advancement opportunities.
To paraphrase Cube's position, he rightly questioned why it was his responsibility to help put on other rappers. Things never worked out as planned with Da Lench Mob (Where art thou, T-Bone?) and he latelyseems more concerned with helping to shepherd his children's career. Oh, and run the multimillion-dollar enterprise that is being the rapper-actor-producer born O'Shea Jackson.
Most tellingly of hip-hop 2010 is that the beef simmered but never really cooked. The snarling Ice Cube of "Westside Slaughterhouse" and "No Vaseline" is currently in mogul mode. Granted, his new "I Am the West" record made myriad subliminal attacks at his would-be young rivals, but refused to call them out by name.
Conversely, the New West rappers missed an easy opportunity to piggyback off Cube's notoriety by never pushing any of the diss tracks they were purportedly planning. Plus, some good music might have come out of it, not to mention a few good "Janky Promoter" jokes.
However, cooler heads have prevailed. Cube recently told AllHipHop.com that, "All that [stuff] is squashed, [we] are keeping the unity on the West Coast. They know I'm down to work any of them at any time, so there really aint anything to perpetuate. I'm glad [we] was men about it and just said 'Yo, it aint no beef' and squashed it. The New West and the Old West can always work together to make money."
In the meantime, the New West presumably awaits its invite to appear on the "Are We There Yet?" TV show.
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This was just a publicity stunt for Cube.
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This was just a publicity stunt for Cube.
this may be but i can understand how the new west feels messed up that cube gets to act in movies and they do not..
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How is this a loss?
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Ice Cube's discography dwarfs anything "new west" will ever do.
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How is this a loss?
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From The La Times
October 22, 2010 | 6:00 am
One of the worst kept secrets within West Coast hip-hop circles was the conflict between Ice Cube and the so-called New West clique, a loose coterie that includes Jay Rock, Nipsey Hussle, Glasses Malone, Crooked I and Bishop Lamont. The latter two had promised to make a "No Country for Old Men" mixtape aimed obliquely at Cube and other rappers they felt were impeding their advancement opportunities.
To paraphrase Cube's position, he rightly questioned why it was his responsibility to help put on other rappers. Things never worked out as planned with Da Lench Mob (Where art thou, T-Bone?) and he latelyseems more concerned with helping to shepherd his children's career. Oh, and run the multimillion-dollar enterprise that is being the rapper-actor-producer born O'Shea Jackson.
Most tellingly of hip-hop 2010 is that the beef simmered but never really cooked. The snarling Ice Cube of "Westside Slaughterhouse" and "No Vaseline" is currently in mogul mode. Granted, his new "I Am the West" record made myriad subliminal attacks at his would-be young rivals, but refused to call them out by name.
Conversely, the New West rappers missed an easy opportunity to piggyback off Cube's notoriety by never pushing any of the diss tracks they were purportedly planning. Plus, some good music might have come out of it, not to mention a few good "Janky Promoter" jokes.
However, cooler heads have prevailed. Cube recently told AllHipHop.com that, "All that [stuff] is squashed, [we] are keeping the unity on the West Coast. They know I'm down to work any of them at any time, so there really aint anything to perpetuate. I'm glad [we] was men about it and just said 'Yo, it aint no beef' and squashed it. The New West and the Old West can always work together to make money."
In the meantime, the New West presumably awaits its invite to appear on the "Are We There Yet?" TV show.
sick of cube's sorry ass trying to prove he's the shit.
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This was just a publicity stunt for Cube.
If it was then he totally fucked up because he didn't drop the album when all the old west new west beef was buzzing in the late spring. Everybody forgot about that shit by the time September came.
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How is this a loss?
I was wondering the same thing ........but on the latimes.com website this is how it is written. I guess you could say he is giving in and agreeing to be on any one of these guys projects for free to avoid getting dissed. So he takes the loss of not getting paid for some free work for some charity case rappers...? that is just a guess
but anyones guess is also as good as mine as to why they wrote that in the La times
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I fail to see how this a loss for Cube. Then again this never looked like a beef to me.
Just Bishop, Crooked and Malone getting pissed at not getting hand-outs from the older generation. Cube just happened to be one of the few rappers from the old-west that didn't work with them and they took it as getting in their way. In the end it just looks like both parties lost and the only one who won was Nipsey who didn't take part and just got free promo from Cube.
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Ice Cube's discography dwarfs anything "new west" will ever do.
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2010. New West >>> "Mr. I
AM Wish I Was The West".
Albums from 10+ years ago are irrelevant in 2010 arguments.
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Meanwhile...in his mansion Ice Cube must be losing alot of sleep over this ::)
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new west might could win the battle but they a never win the war.cube gonna always be more of a legend then any new west artist.cube history start from NWA then he got boyz n the hood as a movie etc.i mean cube is that nigga.dont get me wrong.crooked i is a beast.but no new west rapper a never do it as big as cube did it.
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Albums from 10+ years ago are irrelevant in 2010 arguments.
versus....zero albums?
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2010. New West >>> "Mr. I AM Wish I Was The West".
Albums from 10+ years ago are irrelevant in 2010 arguments.
As is 0 albums from artists hyping something like it is a movement. Simple as put out or shut up. Works with women too lol. Nah but on the real it is time for someone from the west other than the usual suspects to drop a project.
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From The La Times
October 22, 2010 | 6:00 am
One of the worst kept secrets within West Coast hip-hop circles was the conflict between Ice Cube and the so-called New West clique, a loose coterie that includes Jay Rock, Nipsey Hussle, Glasses Malone, Crooked I and Bishop Lamont. The latter two had promised to make a "No Country for Old Men" mixtape aimed obliquely at Cube and other rappers they felt were impeding their advancement opportunities.
To paraphrase Cube's position, he rightly questioned why it was his responsibility to help put on other rappers. Things never worked out as planned with Da Lench Mob (Where art thou, T-Bone?) and he latelyseems more concerned with helping to shepherd his children's career. Oh, and run the multimillion-dollar enterprise that is being the rapper-actor-producer born O'Shea Jackson.
Most tellingly of hip-hop 2010 is that the beef simmered but never really cooked. The snarling Ice Cube of "Westside Slaughterhouse" and "No Vaseline" is currently in mogul mode. Granted, his new "I Am the West" record made myriad subliminal attacks at his would-be young rivals, but refused to call them out by name.
Conversely, the New West rappers missed an easy opportunity to piggyback off Cube's notoriety by never pushing any of the diss tracks they were purportedly planning. Plus, some good music might have come out of it, not to mention a few good "Janky Promoter" jokes.
However, cooler heads have prevailed. Cube recently told AllHipHop.com that, "All that [stuff] is squashed, [we] are keeping the unity on the West Coast. They know I'm down to work any of them at any time, so there really aint anything to perpetuate. I'm glad [we] was men about it and just said 'Yo, it aint no beef' and squashed it. The New West and the Old West can always work together to make money."
In the meantime, the New West presumably awaits its invite to appear on the "Are We There Yet?" TV show.
sick of cube's sorry ass trying to prove he's the shit.
he is the shyt nigga, keep getting sick ;)
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Very few artist come into the game without support and even those few who have huge a push usually have a large co-sign. Hell, 50 had Em; Drake had Lil Wayne; Game had 50; Em had Dr.Dre. It's the way of the game. Plus, it wasn't just about getting the co-sign, it was about black balling by artist like Snoop who later came out and admitted he was hating for no real reason. So, while for some them it was "why won't you work with me?" Most of it was "Don't fucking try to stop my success by spreading lies and blackballing me before I get the chance to succeed."
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Very few artist come into the game without support and even those few who have huge a push usually have a large co-sign. Hell, 50 had Em; Drake had Lil Wayne; Game had 50; Em had Dr.Dre. It's the way of the game. Plus, it wasn't just about getting the co-sign, it was about black balling by artist like Snoop who later came out and admitted he was hating for no real reason. So, while for some them it was "why won't you work with me?" Most of it was "Don't fucking try to stop my success by spreading lies and blackballing me before I get the chance to succeed."
That's BS. the only reason the New West artists are being talked about on this forum is because they got cosigned. Crooked I had Death Row, Bishop had Aftermath, Glasses had Black Wall Street and then Cash Money.
They didn't catch on plain and simple. If they had been getting the buzz the albums would have come out. I have much more respect for the artists like Blu and Fashawn who have been able to put out music without the cosign. Why is it only the dudes who HAVE been cosigned who are complaining?
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Very few artist come into the game without support and even those few who have huge a push usually have a large co-sign. Hell, 50 had Em; Drake had Lil Wayne; Game had 50; Em had Dr.Dre. It's the way of the game. Plus, it wasn't just about getting the co-sign, it was about black balling by artist like Snoop who later came out and admitted he was hating for no real reason. So, while for some them it was "why won't you work with me?" Most of it was "Don't fucking try to stop my success by spreading lies and blackballing me before I get the chance to succeed."
That's BS. the only reason the New West artists are being talked about on this forum is because they got cosigned. Crooked I had Death Row, Bishop had Aftermath, Glasses had Black Wall Street and then Cash Money.
They didn't catch on plain and simple. If they had been getting the buzz the albums would have come out. I have much more respect for the artists like Blu and Fashawn who have been able to put out music without the cosign. Why is it only the dudes who HAVE been cosigned who are complaining?
1) Crooked I had Death Row, really? What label was left at that point?
2) Bishop had Aftermath's resources but he never had Aftermath.
3a) Black Wall Street has never existed. That's a myth.
3b) You're right about Cash Money.
Show me a major artist today that wasn't featured on a bigger artist single before blowing or didn't have another bigger artist on theirs. The only one I can think of is Soulja Boy.
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Very few artist come into the game without support and even those few who have huge a push usually have a large co-sign. Hell, 50 had Em; Drake had Lil Wayne; Game had 50; Em had Dr.Dre. It's the way of the game. Plus, it wasn't just about getting the co-sign, it was about black balling by artist like Snoop who later came out and admitted he was hating for no real reason. So, while for some them it was "why won't you work with me?" Most of it was "Don't fucking try to stop my success by spreading lies and blackballing me before I get the chance to succeed."
That's BS. the only reason the New West artists are being talked about on this forum is because they got cosigned. Crooked I had Death Row, Bishop had Aftermath, Glasses had Black Wall Street and then Cash Money.
They didn't catch on plain and simple. If they had been getting the buzz the albums would have come out. I have much more respect for the artists like Blu and Fashawn who have been able to put out music without the cosign. Why is it only the dudes who HAVE been cosigned who are complaining?
1) Crooked I had Death Row, really? What label was left at that point?
2) Bishop had Aftermath's resources but he never had Aftermath.
3a) Black Wall Street has never existed. That's a myth.
3b) You're right about Cash Money.
Show me a major artist today that wasn't featured on a bigger artist single before blowing or didn't have another bigger artist on theirs. The only one I can think of is Soulja Boy.
All those are good points. For me it is really becoming put up or shut up. For every artist that does not have a co sign from a OG, there are artists doing they thing independently and creating a lane for themselves, even on the west coast. And to be honest, I don't hear any of them complaining about this artist would or would not co sign or help me. Yeah it would be nice, but like the old saying goes, if you want something done right, sometimes you have to do it by yourself.
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^bishop lamont dropped 6 street albums on his own
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^bishop lamont dropped 6 street albums on his own
That was definitely not aimed at him. All Bishop needs is distribution and promo.
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^bishop lamont dropped 6 street albums on his own
That was definitely not aimed at him. All Bishop needs is distribution and promo.
ok.
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even if he did, he got an album out, while them niggas cant even get a release date
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i cube is done in the rap game. i told all you faggot ass niggaz on here that gargle these old west coast rappers cum that son was goin dust. that nigga went mud..my guy nipsey got a bigger buzz than these niggas right now so get with the program and support son. cube is only good for a feature now thats about it. i don't care if them new niggaz ain't dropping no albums some of them niggaz dropping heat, better quality music .. nipseys mixtapes are better these niggaz albums.
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i cube is done in the rap game. i told all you faggot ass niggaz on here that gargle these old west coast rappers cum that son was goin dust. that nigga went mud..my guy nipsey got a bigger buzz than these niggas right now so get with the program and support son. cube is only good for a feature now thats about it. i don't care if them new niggaz ain't dropping no albums some of them niggaz dropping heat, better quality music .. nipseys mixtapes are better these niggaz albums.
why u mad, tho?
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Very few artist come into the game without support and even those few who have huge a push usually have a large co-sign. Hell, 50 had Em; Drake had Lil Wayne; Game had 50; Em had Dr.Dre. It's the way of the game. Plus, it wasn't just about getting the co-sign, it was about black balling by artist like Snoop who later came out and admitted he was hating for no real reason. So, while for some them it was "why won't you work with me?" Most of it was "Don't fucking try to stop my success by spreading lies and blackballing me before I get the chance to succeed."
That's BS. the only reason the New West artists are being talked about on this forum is because they got cosigned. Crooked I had Death Row, Bishop had Aftermath, Glasses had Black Wall Street and then Cash Money.
They didn't catch on plain and simple. If they had been getting the buzz the albums would have come out. I have much more respect for the artists like Blu and Fashawn who have been able to put out music without the cosign. Why is it only the dudes who HAVE been cosigned who are complaining?
1) Crooked I had Death Row, really? What label was left at that point?
2) Bishop had Aftermath's resources but he never had Aftermath.
3a) Black Wall Street has never existed. That's a myth.
3b) You're right about Cash Money.
Show me a major artist today that wasn't featured on a bigger artist single before blowing or didn't have another bigger artist on theirs. The only one I can think of is Soulja Boy.
Crooked I was put on songs with Pac for crying out loud. Glasses has done songs with Lil Wayne. Bishop had singles produced by Dr. Dre.
Again, why are the only artists complaining the ones who have actually gotten cosigns? Just cause 2 major artists from the west choose not to fuck with a couple of rappers you like means they're blackballed now? Why would you expect Snoop to fuck with Crooked when he was signed to a label he had beef with and was labeling himself the "New Death Row." Why would you expect Ice Cube not to take shots after he hears about Glasses dissing him in an interview and about "No Country for Old Men."
Fact: Snoop and Dre are cosigning their own people. They're just not cosigning the rappers you happen to like. You just can't expect that, especially in this decade where the west isn't hot anymore. I doubt Ice Cube is checking this forum for the latest online leaks or mixtapes, so why would he give props to someone he hasn't heard any music from?
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The funny thing is that now that Crooked I is getting a little buzz with Slaughterhouse, Cube hopefully has heard some of his songs and might have worked with him....but of course now Crooked I says fuck you :D
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This entire "New West" angle was a bust... ;D
The main dudes involved are already either pushing/over 30+
(That's old for Hip-Hop)
Check Cube's resume, He already did his making/bringing new talent to hip-hop. (Google it)
He has brought/introduced many artists to the table, Same goes w/Snoop, DJ Quik ect...
What are these "New West/30+ year olds crying about?
LOL, one of the dude's pushing "New West" was spawned from a Cube seed. (mainstream)
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i cube is done in the rap game. i told all you faggot ass niggaz on here that gargle these old west coast rappers cum that son was goin dust. that nigga went mud..my guy nipsey got a bigger buzz than these niggas right now so get with the program and support son. cube is only good for a feature now thats about it. i don't care if them new niggaz ain't dropping no albums some of them niggaz dropping heat, better quality music .. nipseys mixtapes are better these niggaz albums.
I don't think anyone is not supporting Nipsey. Shit even Cube supports Nip. We just want the music, mixtape or album from not only Nip but others and that will drop..................................................................................................?
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This entire "New West" angle was a bust... ;D
The main dudes involved are already either pushing/over 30+
(That's old for Hip-Hop)
Check Cube's resume, He already did his making/bringing new talent to hip-hop. (Google it)
He has brought/introduced many artists to the table, Same goes w/Snoop, DJ Quik ect...
What are these "New West/30+ year olds crying about?
LOL, one of the dude's pushing "New West" was spawned from a Cube seed. (mainstream)
This. These guys were putting rappers on throughout the 90s.
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None of us will know behind the scenes work which was most of the issues were alluded at.
I do agree that they don't have to do anything to help another artist out but I don't think they should do anything to hinder another artist.
They're all suspect of the same thing which is trying to build a bigger name for their individual self.
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we all need 2 work 2 gether like the south and maby we can see the west get some love again. cube is a legand and west on west beef is a shame.
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even if he did, he got an album out, while them niggas cant even get a release date
hahahahaha for real.
Cube is more well known than all of those names combined. Looks like he stays winning.
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I do agree that they don't have to do anything to help another artist out but I don't think they should do anything to hinder another artist.
Except Snoop had a legit reason to hate on Crooked I. Dude signed to the label Snoop left on bad terms with and was marketed as his replacement. They had legit beef. Crooked I even made a diss song about him. You should be giving Snoop props for reaching out and squashing that.
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New West .... LOL... "NEW WEST" was the baby that was ABORTED!!!
2010 and almost 2011 and still not a single album from anyone of those internet/myspace/twitter/facebook rappers. Just face it nobody is checking for them no more besides groupies on this site there is no such thing as "NEW WEST"...
Were are all those rappers that were yappin. Nobody cares there were a few nice ones but THEY AIN'T FRESH no more....
They lost that battle as soon as they started it maybe they should have DRANK THE KOOL-AID before there bull shit campaign...
lol not 1 album...