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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: MistaNova on December 23, 2010, 10:04:05 PM
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Courtesy of 2dopeboyz.
http://hulkshare.com/hxyjcbgnwyxd
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I liked the direction on MM4 so this feels like a step backwards
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Dope ass song. Excited to hear the other parts of this.
Like Action said, compared to MM4, it's not on the same level, so it's just "good", not "great".
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Dope ass song. Excited to hear the other parts of this.
Like Action said, compared to MM4, it's not on the same level, so it's just "good", not "great".
but if you think MM4 is great you need to have your hip hop pass revoked :P
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Dope ass song. Excited to hear the other parts of this.
Like Action said, compared to MM4, it's not on the same level, so it's just "good", not "great".
but if you think MM4 is great you need to have your hip hop pass revoked :P
If you're a fan of most of Budden's music, you gotta love that album lol.
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If mood muzik 4 isn't hip-hop then what the hell is?
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If mood muzik 4 isn't hip-hop then what the hell is?
Something that doesn't get as much attention, that isn't talked about as much, that's real underground.
If you fit those requirements, people on Dubcc are your biggest fans lol.
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If mood muzik 4 isn't hip-hop then what the hell is?
Something that doesn't get as much attention, that isn't talked about as much, that's real underground.
If you fit those requirements, people on Dubcc are your biggest fans lol.
mm4 got attention?
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If mood muzik 4 isn't hip-hop then what the hell is?
Something that doesn't get as much attention, that isn't talked about as much, that's real underground.
If you fit those requirements, people on Dubcc are your biggest fans lol.
mm4 got attention?
I don't know exactly who you listen to, but you come across as somebody who is fond of underground artists. I understand that Joe Budden doesn't get the same amount of attention as mainstream artists, but do you & most people understand that he gets more attention than most people you all listen to? lol.
I always see that on this forum lol. Like it's used as an excuse to say something negative about his music, "nobody knows/listens to Joe Budden"; but he's clearly bigger than any underground artist.
It goes (in terms of attention):
1. Mainstream (many, many names)
2. Joe Budden (& Slaughterhouse)
3. Underground
Anyway, the point of what I was saying is that he gets enough attention for people to dislike him. I always said that if he didn't have so much support from his fans on the internet & the Wu-beef never happened & on camera he was a humble guy who never talked shit & had the popularity of Roc Marciano or somebody like that, everybody would at least give him a much greater chance.
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If mood muzik 4 isn't hip-hop then what the hell is?
Something that doesn't get as much attention, that isn't talked about as much, that's real underground.
If you fit those requirements, people on Dubcc are your biggest fans lol.
mm4 got attention?
I don't know exactly who you listen to, but you come across as somebody who is fond of underground artists. I understand that Joe Budden doesn't get the same amount of attention as mainstream artists, but do you & most people understand that he gets more attention than most people you all listen to? lol.
I always see that on this forum lol. Like it's used as an excuse to say something negative about his music, "nobody knows/listens to Joe Budden"; but he's clearly bigger than any underground artist.
It goes (in terms of attention):
1. Mainstream (many, many names)
2. Joe Budden (& Slaughterhouse)
3. Underground
Anyway, the point of what I was saying is that he gets enough attention for people to dislike him. I always said that if he didn't have so much support from his fans on the internet & the Wu-beef never happened & on camera he was a humble guy who never talked shit & had the popularity of Roc Marciano or somebody like that, everybody would at least give him a much greater chance.
You must be joking me. Are you seriously making up a category of hip hop exclusively for Joe Budden and Slaughterhouse? :D
Sorry but that's retarded. I understand he has more fans than Roc Marciano. But he isn't any more popular than MF Doom or Immortal Technique.
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^There are other people in that league. They just happen to be four rappers with pretty large internet following. Tech N9ne is in that group, along with Immortal.
But MF Doom is easily a step below them in terms of getting attention.
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MF Doom is quite popular for an underground artist but Immortal Technique is not as popular as Slaughterhouse whose album I can find in a library unlike Technique's
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^There are other people in that league. They just happen to be four rappers with pretty large internet following. Tech N9ne is in that group, along with Immortal.
But MF Doom is easily a step below them in terms of getting attention.
Actually if I had to guess I'd say MF Doom has a bigger fanbase. And Tech N9ne is considerably bigger than both of them. By your logic shouldn't he have his own category?
Either way I didn't see you complaining about unfair response to the Tech N9ne or Brotha Lynch Hung albums. Has it ever crossed your mind that maybe people just dislike Budden?
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^It's crossed my mind until I hear the music; then I realize it's beyond music.
Remember how everybody was kind of feeling Lil' Wayne until he was self-proclaimed himself as the "greatest".
Game was HIGHLY popular, ran his mouth way to many times, everybody just shitted on his music.
Same thing, people just will obviously never admit it because it looks bad for you opinion if you openly say, "Well I just hate him as a person & the following he gets".
BTW, I purposely used the term "attention", not "fan base" because Joe Budden gets way more attention than Tech N9ne & "considerably more" than MF Doom, it's just majority negative attention. You can say whatever you want, but Tech N9ne is rarely talked about except when he drops an album or somebody makes one of those "Whose a great rapper?" thread; could it be because he isn't behind a webcam? I wonder.
Yet I still put Tech in that same league & Immortal because they are well known enough by the average listener of Hip Hop, even if they aren't familiar with all their work.
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Lots of quotables again..
Buddens got the sickest punclines and storytellin in the game right now.. 8)
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But MF Doom is easily a step below them in terms of getting attention.
mf doom has sold a lot more records, done an album for adult swim, an album with madlib. dude is real popular
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But MF Doom is easily a step below them in terms of getting attention.
mf doom has sold a lot more records, done an album for adult swim, an album with madlib. dude is real popular
What does that mean? Go through every forum on the internet. There will be 15X as many Joe Budden related threads.
Show me five MF Doom threads on this board lol.
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^It's crossed my mind until I hear the music; then I realize it's beyond music.
Remember how everybody was kind of feeling Lil' Wayne until he was self-proclaimed himself as the "greatest".
Game was HIGHLY popular, ran his mouth way to many times, everybody just shitted on his music.
Same thing, people just will obviously never admit it because it looks bad for you opinion if you openly say, "Well I just hate him as a person & the following he gets".
BTW, I purposely used the term "attention", not "fan base" because Joe Budden gets way more attention than Tech N9ne & "considerably more" than MF Doom, it's just majority negative attention. You can say whatever you want, but Tech N9ne is rarely talked about except when he drops an album or somebody makes one of those "Whose a great rapper?" thread; could it be because he isn't behind a webcam? I wonder.
Yet I still put Tech in that same league & Immortal because they are well known enough by the average listener of Hip Hop, even if they aren't familiar with all their work.
I think you are biased by dubcc being the only forum you frequent, which happens to have a lot of Budden fans, not as many Tech N9ne fans and barely any Immortal Technique fans. Tbh I'd actually never even heard of Buddens til I came here because they weren't discussed at any of the previous forums I had been at. There not being any MF Doom threads here means next to nothing considering that Daz gets more love than Lupe Fiasco.
Also I'd like to point out that than Joe Buddens having internet fans makes it easier for his album to get props. Think about it. Any album he puts out is going to get attention, deserving of it or not. An album from Roc Marciano is getting attention purely based on that people think its a great album.
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LMAO @ cham stanning hard in this thread
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LMAO @ myself showing up in another Joe Budden thread.
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Tech N9ne has one of the most diverse fanbases in hip-hop, from Young MOney fans to Hip-Hop Heads to Emo's.
He sells 30k first week no matter what.
MF Doom has a cult follwing, that's the only similarity with Joe Budden. Madvillainy is considered a classic.
Immortal technique is generally accepted as the greatest MC from harlem next to Big L (And Cam to some).
One of the reasons Joe Budden gets more attention is because there are 2 opposing sides which isn't the case with the following artists and even if there is somebody who doesn't agree with the census they often do applaud their skill.
Like Rap said, you're limited to your experience on dubcc, not much underground shit is being discussed here.
Why I don't know, I always thought the people who listen to the underground aren't the ones making the threads.
And Cham, when are you going to defend Joe Biting Hov's rhyme patterns.
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^First of all, please show me some examples of this "biting".
Secondly, Joe Budden is rapping circles around Jay-Z forever.
Thirdly, that's bullshit considering that I'd say 95% of rappers get their styles from someone.
Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers of all time, got his style & his flow from two different people, nobody says shit about him.
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^First of all, please show me some examples of this "biting".
Secondly, Joe Budden is rapping circles around Jay-Z forever.
Thirdly, that's bullshit considering that I'd say 95% of rappers get their styles from someone.
Eminem is considered one of the greatest rappers of all time, got his style & his flow from two different people, nobody says shit about him.
Haven't listened to budden in a while so can't make up examples on the spot.
I'm one of Hov's biggest critics and even I have to say:
(http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/42447455/Ghostface+Killah+Cmon+SON.jpg)
There is a differences between being influenced and biting.
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^Well, you're the one saying it. Because I certainly don't hear it.
& it's only "different" because you're talking about Joe Budden lol. You should get a "C'mon son" just for acting like that's not the reason it's "so different" lmfao.
& clearly if I can't tell that Joe is doing it, it has to be pretty subtle, not obvious & therefore not an extreme form of biting.
But at the end of the day, being influenced & doing something similarly to somebody else is biting; just different limits to how far you run with it.
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I would listen to some JOe Budden to find examples but then I remembered that time would be spend better on walking into walls trying to walk threw them.
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LMAO @ myself showing up in another Joe Budden thread.
you know i only come in here to see how bad your stan ways evolve over time
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joe beezy >jayz
u heard it here first folks
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joe beezy >jayz
u heard it here first folks
ya know, it's a tough choice but i cosign this
Joey got the lyrics but in his prime Jigga had the better flow.
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LMAO @ myself showing up in another Joe Budden thread.
you know i only come in here to see how bad your stan ways evolve over time
I'm really not a stan. Maybe you're just such a hater I come off worse than I really am.
What have I said here that's stan-esque? Joe Budden gets more attention (including negative attention) & sells more records than other underground artists that people on this board listen to & yet they still jump to Joey not selling or "having no fans" or "nobody talks about him" as part of their argument as to why he's not good.
That's not even a personal opinion, that's a fact lmfao.
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^Denial.
Joe Budden has a large fan base like ICP has a large fan base.
You it's there but there but you don't really count because pretty much all listeners are hard-core fans and not casual listeners.
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^Denial.
Joe Budden has a large fan base like ICP has a large fan base.
You it's there but there but you don't really count because pretty much all listeners are hard-core fans and not casual listeners.
lol Joe budden got radio play for his fanbase, don't compare that to ICP's trailerpark word of mouth fanbase :D
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^Denial.
Joe Budden has a large fan base like ICP has a large fan base.
You it's there but there but you don't really count because pretty much all listeners are hard-core fans and not casual listeners.
I don't see how speaking truth puts me in denial. The word stan is a dying word because of people like you. You need to go back & replay Em's song, boss.
I can tell you I don't like some Joe Budden. There were songs off of MM4 I wasn't all that fond of, let alone his entire catalogue.
Like I've said, if you're a fan of his music & fuck with the sound he puts out, you're NATURALLY going to like more music than somebody who doesn't care for it.
PLUS, if I was a stan, I would hate everyone he's ever beef'd with. I'm a fan of Saigon, Jay-Z, G-Unit, Game, even Rae & Wu-Tang.
If anyone's in denial, it's you. Because you just want to make me look bad, so bad, you NEED me to be a stan lol.
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LOL, you really think you're speaking the truth?
I'm starting to think you're just delusional.
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LOL, you really think you're speaking the truth?
I'm starting to think you're just delusional.
Like I said, "Joe Budden gets more attention (including negative attention) & sells more records than other underground artists that people on this board listen to & yet they still jump to Joey not selling or "having no fans" or "nobody talks about him" as part of their argument as to why he's not good."
That's Real Fact# 377 under a Peach Snapple cap. You going to tell me that's not true?
Joe Budden is talked about on the internet more than most artists you bump, Mr. Underground & sells more too. It was more of a statement, not something up for debate lol.
If you're trying to deny this, I'd say you're the delusional one lol.
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Like I said, "Joe Budden gets more attention (including negative attention) & sells more records than other underground artists that people on this board listen to & yet they still jump to Joey not selling or "having no fans" or "nobody talks about him" as part of their argument as to why he's not good."
That's Real Fact# 377 under a Peach Snapple cap. You going to tell me that's not true?
Joe Budden is talked about on the internet more than most artists you bump, Mr. Underground & sells more too. It was more of a statement, not something up for debate lol.
If you're trying to deny this, I'd say you're the delusional one lol.
the reasons Joe Budden gets more attention is because there are 2 opposing sides which isn't the case with the following artists and even if there is somebody who doesn't agree with the census they often do applaud their skill.
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^It gets his name out there more though than other artists. ;)
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First thing, Budden sells less than the artists I brought up. Secondly, he's definitely not discussed more, at least as far as music is concerned. Made fun of perhaps. That's like trying to say Rick Ross is a bigger artist than Dr. Dre because of the whole CO thing and his various beefs. IT and Tech N9ne aren't out there saying stupid things and beefing with Wu Tang for attention. Why? Because they don't need to, they have bigger fanbases and the hype around them is based on their music. Budden has a smaller but more hardcore group of fans who will ride for him and carry on arguments such as these. That's really not a good look.
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First thing, Budden sells less than the artists I brought up. Secondly, he's definitely not discussed more, at least as far as music is concerned. Made fun of perhaps. That's like trying to say Rick Ross is a bigger artist than Dr. Dre because of the whole CO thing and his various beefs. IT and Tech N9ne aren't out there saying stupid things and beefing with Wu Tang for attention. Why? Because they don't need to, they have bigger fanbases and the hype around them is based on their music. Budden has a smaller but more hardcore group of fans who will ride for him and carry on arguments such as these. That's really not a good look.
C'mon, brothaman. You named the two biggest underground artists that I said were exceptions; I'm talking about the average underground artist.
& at some point soon I'm going to go around to other forums just to quickly peep what people are talking about & I'll let y'all know how my search goes lol.
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LMAO @ myself showing up in another Joe Budden thread.
you know i only come in here to see how bad your stan ways evolve over time
I'm really not a stan. Maybe you're just such a hater I come off worse than I really am.
What have I said here that's stan-esque? Joe Budden gets more attention (including negative attention) & sells more records than other underground artists that people on this board listen to & yet they still jump to Joey not selling or "having no fans" or "nobody talks about him" as part of their argument as to why he's not good.
That's not even a personal opinion, that's a fact lmfao.
well i'm definitely not a hater. i've given his music a chance (which most haters won't do) and simply don't like it. big deal
what HAVEN'T you said that isn't stanish? sorry to burst your bubble but besides the internet no one knows of joe budden. i know like two people who like his shit in real life. that's nothing compared to the amount of people who know & like immortal technique, mf doom, tech n9ne, brotha lynch, etc.
joe budden got on the radio once with that lame pump it up song and barely anyone remembers that stupid song
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at some point soon I'm going to go around to other forums just to quickly peep what people are talking about & I'll let y'all know how my search goes lol.
Its a big world out there.