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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Desert Lord on February 06, 2011, 10:43:50 PM
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i've been listening to this album again and i'm impressed once again...this album is so dope it's definetly a classic to me. don't understand why dre pushed it back.
what ya think?
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i've been listening to this album again and i'm impressed once again...this album is so dope it's definetly a classic to me. don't understand why dre pushed it back.
what ya think?
100% agree. Whoever I burn the cd for, always tell me its a gem.
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he pushed it back because the source shitted on it....then he quickly went into his gangsta rap is dead phase.
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he pushed it back because the source shitted on it....then he quickly went into his gangsta rap is dead phase.
Wasn't it the oposite, he said fuck gangsta rap after leaving death row, then went back to it after all his original shit failed at The Math. Either way, I thought this album would have been a Westcoast classic, but you gotta keep in mind, it was NOT the version that leaked. The actual album didn't have like any of the last 8-10 tracks on that leaked version, a lot of which were Dre productions. So when I speak of and think of that album, I always eliminate those last bunch of songs. Also, you guys gotta realize, this was NEVER released! A bunch of shitty bootlegs came out with songs from this, and he had an album with a bunch of these tracks on there, but Thy Kingdom Come was never officially released, so in that sense, the album never really happened. It's like calling The Reformation a calssic when it was never even released, but we have almost all the songs intended for it.
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i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
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i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
dre even says i think on his after,ath compilation "gagnsta rap is dead" if i remember correctly then when everything besides eminem that he puts out flops he reverts back to chronic mode.
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i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
dre even says i think on his after,ath compilation "gagnsta rap is dead" if i remember correctly then when everything besides eminem that he puts out flops he reverts back to chronic mode.
but the aftermath compilation wasn't completly gangsta-free..."been there, done that" wasn't really new shit..
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i`m interested in the original tracklist too.
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I'm pretty sure this is the final version that The Source reviewed:
There may have been an intro as part of track 1, featuring Ice-T on it, but that may have not been on this version.
01 - Speak On It
02 - Got It Locked
03 - Stay Down
04 - Squeeze Yo Balls (ft. Baby S)
05 - Money (ft. Dr. Dre)
06 - The Chron
07 - Big Boyz (ft. Too $hort)
08 - Let's Make A V (ft. DJ Quik)
09 - It's Ruff (ft. Playa Hamm)
10 - That's Drama
11 - Real Raw (ft. Sharief)
12 - It's Where Ya From (ft. MC Ren)
13 - Shake Da Spot (ft. Shaquille O'Neal)
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^thanks for posting
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he pushed it back because the source shitted on it....then he quickly went into his gangsta rap is dead phase.
Wasn't it the oposite, he said fuck gangsta rap after leaving death row, then went back to it after all his original shit failed at The Math. Either way, I thought this album would have been a Westcoast classic, but you gotta keep in mind, it was NOT the version that leaked. The actual album didn't have like any of the last 8-10 tracks on that leaked version, a lot of which were Dre productions. So when I speak of and think of that album, I always eliminate those last bunch of songs. Also, you guys gotta realize, this was NEVER released! A bunch of shitty bootlegs came out with songs from this, and he had an album with a bunch of these tracks on there, but Thy Kingdom Come was never officially released, so in that sense, the album never really happened. It's like calling The Reformation a calssic when it was never even released, but we have almost all the songs intended for it.
the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
dre even says i think on his after,ath compilation "gagnsta rap is dead" if i remember correctly then when everything besides eminem that he puts out flops he reverts back to chronic mode.
but the aftermath compilation wasn't completly gangsta-free..."been there, done that" wasn't really new shit..
well the message of the song was clear.
he was tired of gangsta rap. he already made that clear when he began working on helter skelter
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the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
But then why would it be released in an extremely low-key, overseas form . . . with a turkey-pimp on the cover. If King T wanted to actually drop this album he could have, and he actually ended up dropping his version of it in 2004.
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the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
But then why would it be released in an extremely low-key, overseas form . . . with a turkey-pimp on the cover. If King T wanted to actually drop this album he could have, and he actually ended up dropping his version of it in 2004.
King T never had that much success, so i'm sure it wasn't easy to find a label.
i'm convinced that aftermath let him go with songs, like hittman later on.
i could be wrong, but i don't see how anyone would steal so many songs & put them up for sale, without getting sued.
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the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
But then why would it be released in an extremely low-key, overseas form . . . with a turkey-pimp on the cover. If King T wanted to actually drop this album he could have, and he actually ended up dropping his version of it in 2004.
King T never had that much success, so i'm sure it wasn't easy to find a label.
i'm convinced that aftermath let him go with songs, like hittman later on.
i could be wrong, but i don't see how anyone would steal so many songs & put them up for sale, without getting sued.
What I thought was that maybe King T sold them to some dude overseas and then put "his version" out a few years later. Who knows, although it's a shady situation and I don't know if I wanna believe him.
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It's not a classic, but it's a really cool album. But I agree that it's blamefully slept on.
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he pushed it back because the source shitted on it....then he quickly went into his gangsta rap is dead phase.
Wasn't it the oposite, he said fuck gangsta rap after leaving death row, then went back to it after all his original shit failed at The Math. Either way, I thought this album would have been a Westcoast classic, but you gotta keep in mind, it was NOT the version that leaked. The actual album didn't have like any of the last 8-10 tracks on that leaked version, a lot of which were Dre productions. So when I speak of and think of that album, I always eliminate those last bunch of songs. Also, you guys gotta realize, this was NEVER released! A bunch of shitty bootlegs came out with songs from this, and he had an album with a bunch of these tracks on there, but Thy Kingdom Come was never officially released, so in that sense, the album never really happened. It's like calling The Reformation a calssic when it was never even released, but we have almost all the songs intended for it.
the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
dre even says i think on his after,ath compilation "gagnsta rap is dead" if i remember correctly then when everything besides eminem that he puts out flops he reverts back to chronic mode.
but the aftermath compilation wasn't completly gangsta-free..."been there, done that" wasn't really new shit..
well the message of the song was clear.
he was tired of gangsta rap. he already made that clear when he began working on helter skelter
yeah, you got that right...but on the other hand he never released any stuff that was so different from what he had done before. and there still was rbx, king tee on that album that gave the whole thing a gangstatouch.
i think the real reason for dre wanted to "quit" doing gangstarap was all the critisism from real streetcats that for faking...he saw his mask fall down
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I bought the album from a regular retail and not with the turkey but the skyline of LA on it. And it says The Kingdom Comes.
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F'n classic!!
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Dre was trying to deviate every thing Death Row at the time of '96, there were reasons Dre was hating on Gangsta Rap, THE SOURCE MAGAZINE AND EAST COAST RADIO, its been the brink of debate on West Coast artist from the beginning of time, THE SOURCE and Blaze, VIbe and all that other HIP HOP shit just wrote off every West Coast release, saying its full of gangsta and no lyrics, or no subject matter, radio DJs on the east FUNK FLEX hated on the lyrics and delivery of the artist (SNOOP and Cube, E-40) all this and West Coast radio was small at the time not powerful enough to really hold their own. they followed the East trends, but never their own, now im not saying they didnt play it, they just didnt back the artist as much as the east did BIG and every one else, Dre just read way too much in to those East Coast opinions...think back Cube should have been on some Eminem units sold shit, listen to those first 4 albums man, fucking introspective and creatively genious all after NWA it was only then that the East was kind of fucking with Cube then he starts rhyming over funk samples and totatlly they hate on Bootlegs & B-Sides ( a freaking comp, rating it as an album)
and shit on Lethal Injection, thats when you can see they were upset at the success of W.C. artist, because Kool G Rap hadnt gone GOld in years if not ever, and Cube was platinum out the gate...I remember alotta shit but West artist got way more hate then the South does now, and it wasnt whispered either, that was the crazy part
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in the same issue they gave dre 3 mics for thy kingdom come they gave sugafrees street gospel 2 mics :(
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he pushed it back because the source shitted on it....then he quickly went into his gangsta rap is dead phase.
Wasn't it the oposite, he said fuck gangsta rap after leaving death row, then went back to it after all his original shit failed at The Math. Either way, I thought this album would have been a Westcoast classic, but you gotta keep in mind, it was NOT the version that leaked. The actual album didn't have like any of the last 8-10 tracks on that leaked version, a lot of which were Dre productions. So when I speak of and think of that album, I always eliminate those last bunch of songs. Also, you guys gotta realize, this was NEVER released! A bunch of shitty bootlegs came out with songs from this, and he had an album with a bunch of these tracks on there, but Thy Kingdom Come was never officially released, so in that sense, the album never really happened. It's like calling The Reformation a calssic when it was never even released, but we have almost all the songs intended for it.
the release seems legit to me.
i think King T was just calling it a bootleg in an interview to try to save face
i also heard that source story...man, fuck the source!
so, if the "original album" had a completly different tracklist, than these bootlegs...what tracks was originally on it?
dre even says i think on his after,ath compilation "gagnsta rap is dead" if i remember correctly then when everything besides eminem that he puts out flops he reverts back to chronic mode.
but the aftermath compilation wasn't completly gangsta-free..."been there, done that" wasn't really new shit..
well the message of the song was clear.
he was tired of gangsta rap. he already made that clear when he began working on helter skelter
yeah, you got that right...but on the other hand he never released any stuff that was so different from what he had done before. and there still was rbx, king tee on that album that gave the whole thing a gangstatouch.
i think the real reason for dre wanted to "quit" doing gangstarap was all the critisism from real streetcats that for faking...he saw his mask fall down
fair enough.
well i think he was tired of all the drama in the studio.
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well i think he was tired of all the drama in the studio.
Ya, that obviously was the reason he left Death Row so it would only make sense that that would be a major reason for him calling gangsta rap dead. Once the Death Row situation faded he probably realized he could still do gangsta rap without all the studio drama. He probably also realized that he NEEDED to do gangsta rap because the other directions he was trying to go in weren't showing him much success.
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well i think he was tired of all the drama in the studio.
Ya, that obviously was the reason he left Death Row so it would only make sense that that would be a major reason for him calling gangsta rap dead. Once the Death Row situation faded he probably realized he could still do gangsta rap without all the studio drama. He probably also realized that he NEEDED to do gangsta rap because the other directions he was trying to go in weren't showing him much success.
what kind of other directions? you got an example?
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check out dr dre presents the aftermath...alot of shitty attempts at r and b on there.
thats one market dre cant crack...the r and b circuit. yeah he did michelle (20 years ago) and he had a hit with mjb but he dropped the ball with that envouge chick...
thats one thing id give timberland props for is being able to cross genres.
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check out dr dre presents the aftermath...alot of shitty attempts at r and b on there.
thats one market dre cant crack...the r and b circuit. yeah he did michelle (20 years ago) and he had a hit with mjb but he dropped the ball with that envouge chick...
thats one thing id give timberland props for is being able to cross genres.
yeah, but he also produced mary j a few years later...truth hurts, bilal...
he was always fuckin' with other genres...
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check out dr dre presents the aftermath...alot of shitty attempts at r and b on there.
thats one market dre cant crack...the r and b circuit. yeah he did michelle (20 years ago) and he had a hit with mjb but he dropped the ball with that envouge chick...
thats one thing id give timberland props for is being able to cross genres.
yeah, but he also produced mary j a few years later...truth hurts, bilal...
he was always fuckin' with other genres...
Yeah, but ummmm.....Truth Hurts.
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on to subject from my other rant...this album has plenty for fans of west coast shit (Skweez YA BAlls, Its Ruff, Shake Da spot) and lyrics with that straight g-shit over top notch production (The Chron, Money & Speak On It) plenty of surprises (Wheres T?, 6nna Mornin', Reel Raw & THe Original) have some thing different to offer from the albums feel while some are out dated (Step On BY, Got It Locked, even Lets Make A V, doesnt fit the over all vibe of the album but sits in nicely along the aforementioned)
if you add dope tracks he dropped while on Aftermath (Str8 Gone, I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept) make the revisit worth while aswell
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"Got It Locked" was the first single & Video and it flopped hard.
I always thought it was record label politics that King Tee was still signed with RCA and the would not let him release the AFTERMATH album even though he changed his name to "King T" for "Thy Kingdom Come".
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in the same issue they gave dre 3 mics for thy kingdom come they gave sugafrees street gospel 2 mics :(
:o bitches!
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well i think he was tired of all the drama in the studio.
Ya, that obviously was the reason he left Death Row so it would only make sense that that would be a major reason for him calling gangsta rap dead. Once the Death Row situation faded he probably realized he could still do gangsta rap without all the studio drama. He probably also realized that he NEEDED to do gangsta rap because the other directions he was trying to go in weren't showing him much success.
what kind of other directions? you got an example?
The Firm
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dres always wanted some of that r and b cake...im not talking about did a beat for mjb or did a track or two for bilal...i mean take an r and b act and release that shit under his label with him over seeing the project he hasnt been able to do that yet.
truth hurts was a good album to me but off the strength of so addictive he still couldnt move units...i wonder though if he had released that after the g unit explosion if the out come would have been different...around 2004 everything aftermath put out was tight.
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dres always wanted some of that r and b cake...im not talking about did a beat for mjb or did a track or two for bilal...i mean take an r and b act and release that shit under his label with him over seeing the project he hasnt been able to do that yet.
truth hurts was a good album to me but off the strength of so addictive he still couldnt move units...i wonder though if he had released that after the g unit explosion if the out come would have been different...around 2004 everything aftermath put out was tight.
good point...
and mabye the bilal joints wasn't even r&b..i mean that kind of music thats called "r&b" nowadays...the whole bilal music is more of a soul / neo soul type of shit (good shit, by the way..listen to his new album "airtight's revenge) but fuck categories...music is music
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shoot me a link i like bilal but havent heard his shit since his first album
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check out dr dre presents the aftermath...alot of shitty attempts at r and b on there.
thats one market dre cant crack...the r and b circuit. yeah he did michelle (20 years ago) and he had a hit with mjb but he dropped the ball with that envouge chick...
thats one thing id give timberland props for is being able to cross genres.
yeah, but he also produced mary j a few years later...truth hurts, bilal...
he was always fuckin' with other genres...
Yeah, but ummmm.....Truth Hurts.
lol, but the project could have sold better if it weren't for that lawsuit
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on to subject from my other rant...this album has plenty for fans of west coast shit (Skweez YA BAlls, Its Ruff, Shake Da spot) and lyrics with that straight g-shit over top notch production (The Chron, Money & Speak On It) plenty of surprises (Wheres T?, 6nna Mornin', Reel Raw & THe Original) have some thing different to offer from the albums feel while some are out dated (Step On BY, Got It Locked, even Lets Make A V, doesnt fit the over all vibe of the album but sits in nicely along the aforementioned)
if you add dope tracks he dropped while on Aftermath (Str8 Gone, I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept) make the revisit worth while aswell
Did DRE produce "I dont wanna die" ? kinda sounds like his steez around that period?
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Someone should remake that OG cover using the OG pics from T's myspace 8)
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Someone should remake that OG cover using the OG pics from T's myspace 8)
definitely
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(I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept)
Got a link to those songs? Also, Truth Hurt's album was terrible. None of the production fitted her style, I don't think her album should've dropped. Also, I remember Dr. Dre got involved with Governor's career too. Govenor by himself is a good artist, but over Dr. Dre beats hell no - shit's wack as fuck. If you want to know what I'm talking about listen to Governor's Still Here mixtape. It's all Dr. Dre/Aftermath shit.
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Someone with Photoshop skills should recreate the OG cover using pics posted below:
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/118/l_422cd2c041e94acca9cc8e0109919133.jpg) (http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/22/4026c17e31b387c6b5cd0dcf886b7c73/l.jpg)
C'mon y'all - let's make it happen 8)
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(I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept)
Got a link to those songs? Also, Truth Hurt's album was terrible. None of the production fitted her style, I don't think her album should've dropped. Also, I remember Dr. Dre got involved with Governor's career too. Govenor by himself is a good artist, but over Dr. Dre beats hell no - shit's wack as fuck. If you want to know what I'm talking about listen to Governor's Still Here mixtape. It's all Dr. Dre/Aftermath shit.
but Dre is credited for a scott storch production on that mixtape, i forgot the trackname. but the beat is from one of Stacee adamz' songs
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(I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept)
Got a link to those songs? Also, Truth Hurt's album was terrible. None of the production fitted her style, I don't think her album should've dropped. Also, I remember Dr. Dre got involved with Governor's career too. Govenor by himself is a good artist, but over Dr. Dre beats hell no - shit's wack as fuck. If you want to know what I'm talking about listen to Governor's Still Here mixtape. It's all Dr. Dre/Aftermath shit.
but Dre is credited for a scott storch production on that mixtape, i forgot the trackname. but the beat is from one of Stacee adamz' songs
Yeah, but it's probably Dre mixed.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.2027/title.dr-dre-chooses-the-governor
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"Thy Kingdom Come" = extremely over rated
King T/King Tee = beast
Dr. Dre has always wanted to go down the positive route and has never had success and it's possible he may never (even though I could be wrong with Kendrick; but I don't think he'll ignite the world on fire like Eminem has tho, but he could do something). Anyways, like I said Dr. Dre has always tried to get away from "goin hard" on records with artists like Rakim, Bishop Lamont, and now Kendrick Lamar/K.Dot (i guess he's kinda stayed true to his word the whole time, just none of them ever took off).
As far as the RnB route goes, Dr. Dre shouldn't even bother, he's just not that good at RnB music. Maybe when he's like 76 and still producing he might drop a gem on us but I doubt it.
http://www.youtube.com//v/WJOoDsaRTIs&feature=related
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(I Dont Wanna Die & Quiet As Kept)
Got a link to those songs? Also, Truth Hurt's album was terrible. None of the production fitted her style, I don't think her album should've dropped. Also, I remember Dr. Dre got involved with Governor's career too. Govenor by himself is a good artist, but over Dr. Dre beats hell no - shit's wack as fuck. If you want to know what I'm talking about listen to Governor's Still Here mixtape. It's all Dr. Dre/Aftermath shit.
but Dre is credited for a scott storch production on that mixtape, i forgot the trackname. but the beat is from one of Stacee adamz' songs
Yeah, but it's probably Dre mixed.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.2027/title.dr-dre-chooses-the-governor
never read that before, thanks.