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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on March 21, 2011, 10:48:35 PM
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It's been 13 years, I always bump this album this time of year when winter leaves and Spring time comes in... because it was released in March of 1998.
How did this album not go platinum? In fact... I don't think it even went gold. Last I remember it only did 300,000. And according to a Snoop interview it didn't even do that because most of those sales were bought by the label!!
That was so much bullshit, because it had everything it needed to be a hit record and a classic West Coast album. It had a stellar, unreleased track from 2pac, which was huge in those days- "Initiated". It had a great lead single with "In California" that was damn near to the level of a "California Love".
The album had a classic Nate Dogg and Snoop joint with "O.G"'s that has been remixed a million times and been released in many forms, but is still to this day a West Coast/Nate Dogg classic joint.
For people that wanted more of that double-platinum Dogg Food/DPG sound, you had plenty of it, with Kurupt being featured on like 4 of the first 5 tracks. And the songs bumped with damn near the same intensity as the Dogg Food album.
This album had that signature Death Row sound that was gold in the mid 90's. Daz had not lost a step, and in fact much of the album was probably recorded in when Death Row was still on top. Yet by 1998, wasn't nobody checking for it I guess. Even though Daz had feature articles in the major magazines like the Source and he had some juice still on BET.
...but for whatever reason I feel this album never got the respect it deserved. It had all the classic features, classic beats, lyrics, sounds of the West Coast mid-90's golden era, just without the props it deserved.
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best daz album. best dpg album after doggystyle and doggfood. i bump this shit all the time. it took me like two years to hear one of the dopest songs on the album cause i thought that the intro gang meeting was just a long ass intro. i let it run long one time and i was like what the fuc !!!! lol it was so dope.
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Classic album, not my favorite album from Daz though.
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best daz album. best dpg album after doggystyle and doggfood. i bump this shit all the time. it took me like two years to hear one of the dopest songs on the album cause i thought that the intro gang meeting was just a long ass intro. i let it run long one time and i was like what the fuc !!!! lol it was so dope.
LOL.. I know what you mean.. that song is fucking blazing... but a lot of people missed it at first because that intro is so fucking long
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Classic album, not my favorite album from Daz though.
I think Daz put more into that album than any of his other albums. All his albums after that one felt rushed... but that album was probably like 3-5 years in the making
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Not my favorite Daz album either. I just don't get a lot of the love. I like it but I think "Initated" is average for the artists involved.
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after dogg food and this daz went pretty much independant, retaliation had a lil more focus, but his other albums are jsut as entertaining.
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Good pick but I'd say these are even more underrated and probably influenced your choice... ;)
Above The Law - Black Mafia Life
Kokane - Funk Upon A Rhyme
King T - Tha Triflin' Album
Penthouse Players Clique - Paid The Cost
Low Profile - We're In This Together
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I never got into this album. There's more underrated choices tho...
Mitchy slick - urban survival syndrome
Nate dogg - music and me
Hell eve, Daz - this is the life I lead
Etc etc etc
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I say that at the time everyone's focus on Death Row was shifting to the next thing in hip hop, which is why this and several other post Pac's death releases on DR were overlooked (Doggfather, Necessary Roughness, Hung Jury, Gang Related OST, Gridlock'd OST etc...), Daz's RRAGB being no exception.
No matter how dope the line-up was there were just too many features which is possibly one reason why everyone didn't give this album love. It's not like Daz couldn't carry his own on his songs, Way Too Major is proof of it (the reason why it wasn't on RRAGB is beyond me). But the album was just like many hip hop albums, a few great songs here and there but the album as a whole isn't quite all that.
As for the most under-rated West Coast release I'd give that title to an album that wasn't released on Death Row and wasn't recorded by an artist hailing from California state.
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No. The most underrated west coast album from 1998 is Steal This Album from The Coup.
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Most underrated? Probably not, but certainly is a great album that I just rediscovered recently.
I mean when i used to listen to this back in the day it was on some garbage headphones so I didn't know what I was missing.
I randomly put it on in my car a while back, and The Ultimate Come Up almost blew my speakers. That song is amazing on a good system.
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This album is a classic. I prefer R.A.W. though. Ultimately, it underscored that Daz was not meant to be a frontman and his unability to become a successful solo act.
But yeah I agree, Daz put more effort in this album than in any other solo release (maybe DPGC U Know What I'm Throwin Up too), and he had all the needed facilities, as far as big studios and musicians, engineers etc. R.A.W. was quickly put together with Death Row material and Daz aimed at a quick cash grab for this album (the musical content is still classic nonetheless).
Some of the productions are unreal on this album IMO, Daz & Soopa were at their best. many different vibes I especially liked introspective songs like Baby Mama Drama and Only 4 U, reminds me of Reality on Dogg Food.
There are 3 types of songs on this album to me : 1) mid 90's gangsta songs like It's Goin Down, Our Daily Bread, OG, The Ultimate Come-Up, Ridin' High, Initiated, Thank God For My Life 2) Daz's new imprint with his camp of the day The Gang and the bay features and a renewed sound (productions like Oh No, Playa Partners, RR&GB sounded very modern for the day) 3) Personal songs where Daz shifts from the usual gangsta subject matter.
Overall I think these 3 types of songs mesh well on the album and in the end the result is both versatile and cohesive, there's a particular sound on this album that I don't hear on any other Daz/DPG release, kinda like Dillinger & Young Gotti.
By the way, does anybody know who Ran Dogg (who produced Baby Mama Drama) is ?? Is it the same Ran Dogg who did the guitar on Let Me Ride extended version ??
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Mitchy slick - urban survival syndrome
true classic homie. one of the best albums in last decade.
RRGB is a great album, my favorite Daz album, classic for sure.
http://www.youtube.com/v/W-NqA6CKf9Q?fs=1&hl=en_US&rel=0
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I don't know about underrated but it's still a classic, even tough it's not on the very top tier of stuff form that era (due to marginally weaker lyrics/content).
Doggstyle, The Chronic <--------------10/10
Necessary Roughness, Murder Was The Case <-----------9.5/10
Revenge Retailation.. <----------------9/10
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no, it isn't.
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hell no its not.
i could name 20 wc cds right of the top of the dome that are more underrated then this...i dont really even see how on this forum you could say anything dpg relate is under rated in any way. if anything all daz shit is over rated.
RRGB was dope i bumped raw more and less ppl heard raw until it got rereleased so im gonna say raw would be more under rated then rrgb.
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Daz's first two albums were dope as hell. I do like This Life I Lead but, tha sound quality wasn't tight. 8)
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Not sure about most underrated but album was definately a classic to me. The album came out at a very good time in my life so maybe that contributes to how much i loved it but yeah, classic album bar a few weaker tracks towards the end. And iam pretty sure it sold around 900 000 copies ans Snoop claimed that DR bought 300 000 of them?
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bar a few weaker tracks towards the end.
I agree. If Daz had pull some more tricks out the bag this album could've been up there with Rage's.
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bar a few weaker tracks towards the end.
I agree. If Daz had pull some more tricks out the bag this album could've been up there with Rage's.
Yeah, i think a couple of songs could've been cut off. Rage's album was weak IMO though, only a couple of classics on it. It's a shame that Dr. Dre had already left when the album got released so there wasn't any beats from him on it. I think that "Afro Puffs" should've been on it, they could've even released the remix with Snoop and Dre on it too. It's a classic too.
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the answer: no
but it's a dope album overall
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Not my favorite Daz album either. I just don't get a lot of the love. I like it but I think "Initated" is average for the artists involved.
initiated = best song Daz ever did
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bar a few weaker tracks towards the end.
I agree. If Daz had pull some more tricks out the bag this album could've been up there with Rage's.
Yeah, i think a couple of songs could've been cut off. Rage's album was weak IMO though, only a couple of classics on it. It's a shame that Dr. Dre had already left when the album got released so there wasn't any beats from him on it. I think that "Afro Puffs" should've been on it, they could've even released the remix with Snoop and Dre on it too. It's a classic too.
You don't dig Rage's album? I think it's one of the greats! Not Chronic/Doggystyle level, but close behind them!! Rage wins on being the better lyricist by far.
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bar a few weaker tracks towards the end.
I agree. If Daz had pull some more tricks out the bag this album could've been up there with Rage's.
Yeah, i think a couple of songs could've been cut off. Rage's album was weak IMO though, only a couple of classics on it. It's a shame that Dr. Dre had already left when the album got released so there wasn't any beats from him on it. I think that "Afro Puffs" should've been on it, they could've even released the remix with Snoop and Dre on it too. It's a classic too.
You don't dig Rage's album? I think it's one of the greats! Not Chronic/Doggystyle level, but close behind them!! Rage wins on being the better lyricist by far.
Nah, i don't really like it that much. Rage is my favorite female MC off all times though.
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bar a few weaker tracks towards the end.
I agree. If Daz had pull some more tricks out the bag this album could've been up there with Rage's.
Yeah, i think a couple of songs could've been cut off. Rage's album was weak IMO though, only a couple of classics on it. It's a shame that Dr. Dre had already left when the album got released so there wasn't any beats from him on it. I think that "Afro Puffs" should've been on it, they could've even released the remix with Snoop and Dre on it too. It's a classic too.
You don't dig Rage's album? I think it's one of the greats! Not Chronic/Doggystyle level, but close behind them!! Rage wins on being the better lyricist by far.
Nah, i don't really like it that much. Rage is my favorite female MC off all times though.
and rages album wasn't even 1% as good as Doggystyle was lol
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and rages album wasn't even 1% as good as Doggystyle was lol
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and rages album wasn't even 1% as good as Doggystyle was lol
:eh:
on the reazill Doggystyle = top 5 album ever
rage's album isn't even a top 500 if u ask me
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C-BO - Till my casket drops.
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C-BO - Till my casket drops.
is that the one with "raised in hell" with Big Syke on it? 8)
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He was dissing the big dogg cuz on there....so to me it was wack
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no he was not. snoop is featured on this album and daz shout snoop out on the outro. Snoop was trippin when he said that in a dubcnn interview. Daz was dissing Snoop on "what it iz" from R.A.W. but not on RR&GB
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neccesarry roughness wasnt a dope album...it had some strong cuts but when you consider what that album was SUPPPOSED to be you cant help but feel disspointed.
didnt she say her and dre had damn near a whole album in the can before dre split?
sucks...
eargasm > neccesary roughness
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Never been able to get into this album and isnt close to been my fav daz album. I probably just need to give it a few more listens to appreciate it !
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C-BO - Till my casket drops.
is that the one with "raised in hell" with Big Syke on it? 8)
Yeah. Definitely my favorite C-Bo album.
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this is one of my favorite albums. Kurupts performance on this is :o
IMO its like a Dogg Food 2 though not nearly as good
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and rages album wasn't even 1% as good as Doggystyle was lol
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Necessary roughness was rubbish and boring as shit.
Didn't u give game is to be sold 9/10 tho? Haha
RR&GB is great album, flows well and production is flawless at times. 8.5/10
Wouldnt say it's underrated. Most west coast rap fans will love this album.
And I though this went platinum? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
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Necessary roughness was rubbish and boring as shit.
Seriously? Wow I'm frankly amazed to read anyone describing it as that! :laugh:
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Funny, I play this album around the same time of year for the same reason. I love how certain albums can put you in a certain frame of mind. When it snows and gets cold, I have the urge to listen to E. 1999 because I used to listen to that album like crazy one winter.
Anyway, I agree that it's not really underrated, it was just a little slept on for that time but a lot of west coast albums were- and continue to be.
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e 99 is a summer album to me...we knew the guy that owned the record store and hed let us get the new releases a week early and i remember we rode our bikes to the spot to get it and we played it all summer. i remember first of the month and buddah lovaz being on repeat all summer.
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Daz did diss Snoop on tha R.A.W album but, even on Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back he included himself in an old Snoop track "OG" feat. Nate Dogg. He produced it but, why didn't he just do a new song with Snoop? I don't know what tha reason was behind that. That was around tha time that Snoop left Death Row and went to No Limit. So, who knows? Rage album is dope also. It's a shame that Dre wasn't involved in that album.
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Eternal 1999 reminds me of winter
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winter albums
dogg food
dogg father
doggy style
gfk ironman
gza iron mic
red man dare iz a darkside
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Definitely agree on Dogg Food (in the dead of winter I spit my coldest phrases) and Doggfather. And GZA's Liquid Swords is THE winter album. Definitely agree. For some reason I bumped Ren's "Villain in Black" a lot one winter and so that's a winter album to me. "Art of War' by Bone is a summer album to me though, since it dropped in August. Warren G's Take a Look is another spring one.
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lmao anyways i agree on those...almost all wutang solos are winter albums
wutang forever is a summer album
most of e40s album are summer albums to me.
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Nate dogg - music and me
Hell eve, Daz - this is the life I lead
Etc etc etc
LOL..come on, now
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RAW is easily Daz's best solo album and an under noticed classic from out West.
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I would say RRGB is amazing but only to a death row head, not an outsider at all. The lack of cohesion made this album so less appealing to promoters and music shoppers.
It had not one real radio friendly song which was played in clubs. Some can say in california, but that was not played outside of Cali and wasn't spot on the signature DR sound the entire US had come to love.
Daz could have done 100x better if he dropped an album in August of 96 of material recorded up until then <--As could almost any DR artist at the time (kurupt, Danny, Michelle, Rage, Nate)
Oh NO is my favorite song which I have bumped well over a thousand times at extremely loud volume in the car stereo and a couple of times at partys I drop in a cd with OH No!
It always gets people going crazy and they ask who it is.
btw What songs on RAW are really from DR, after listening to it countless times I still want confirmation. I would bet that "It's all about the money" is definitely on DR becuz OH NO is on the intro.
^and the fact that it's on 2002 :wavey:
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the whole raw album was done on deathrow...when daz left he took his masters and put it out himself.
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winter albums
dogg food
dogg father
doggy style
gfk ironman
gza iron mic
red man dare iz a darkside
Doggystyle in the winter??????
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best daz album imo. poorly put together that made it feel like a compilation. but no doubt, a classic deathrow album that overlooked due to the consequences of pac dying, dre and snoop leaving
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C-BO - Till my casket drops.
Yeah thats another one i really got into.
I didnt like Rages album all that much either. The dj premier tracks were dope though. There were other good songs but i havent heard it in a long time.
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Very sleeped on lp..snoop crazy..that lp.went gold...
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Not "THE MOST" but "ONE OF THE MOST" underrated West Coast albums ever. Plus it's the last album with that classic Death Row/G-Funk sound..
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Man there is sooo many dpg dickriders its not even funny. This album is nowhere NEAR a classic. It is a good album but wwwaaaayyy overated by westcoast fans.
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Man there is sooo many dpg dickriders its not even funny. This album is nowhere NEAR a classic. It is a good album but wwwaaaayyy overated by westcoast fans.
god bless you...that is so true.
it came out on deathrow and went a little short of platinum. had nation wide distribution how in the fuck was it underrrated? if the chronic is the standard your comparing it to then maybe but then again isnt every hip hop album?
gtfoh
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Man there is sooo many dpg dickriders its not even funny. This album is nowhere NEAR a classic. It is a good album but wwwaaaayyy overated by westcoast fans.
god bless you...that is so true.
it came out on deathrow and went a little short of platinum. had nation wide distribution how in the fuck was it underrrated? if the chronic is the standard your comparing it to then maybe but then again isnt every hip hop album?
gtfoh
What are the sales
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I think the album barely went gold
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I think the album barely went gold
without Pac it wouldn't have