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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: V2DHeart on April 03, 2011, 05:58:58 AM
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2Pac did write for Outlawz on Death Row a lot despite what they say about whatever (Outlaw) was completed in time got to record their verses if they were quick enough.. This is true to a degree however due to 2Pac's fast writing capabilities, this caused 2Pac to write other/give up a lot of his own verses to other Outlawz so that they could jump on to the track with him, give them exposure, and so that 2Pac had a dedicated group under him. Some of the tracks (There are more) are:
Bomb First (My Second Reply) - E.D.I's verse
When We Ride - Napoleon's verse
Thug Passion - Verse 2
U Can Be Touched OG version 2 - Verses
Made Niggaz - Napoleon's verse
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hmmm, ???
mere speculation
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you have any proof? or just speculation?
sure, pac wrote alot for other people
but it seems that he liked doing it
he wrote for so many people and alot of times before asking them
he would just come to them with a written verse and say "here, i wrote this for you"
it's no mystery that he wrote for MC Hammer, Shock G & Money B (on I Get Around confirmed by Shock in an interview, Money B declined and wrote his own verse though)
and he gave songs away to other artists (Fake Ass Bitches)
of course he also did that for the outlawz
but as far as I can tell it seems to be only on special occasions and not on a regular basis
one exampled would be the final version of hit em up
there are handwritten lyrics by 2pac and they include the outlawz verses
so it's obvious that pac wrote theses verses for them
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Those 2 - Hit 'Em Up Original and Retail are also on the list, but give no specific information as to what verses were written by 2Pac
It just gives a bigger insight into the amount of work he actually done at Death Row as a whole, not just for The Outlawz. He also wrote some verses for Kurupt, Bad Azz and Snoop Dogg, and wrote entire songs for (as you mentioned) MC Hammer, but also Lady Of Rage, and Snoop Dogg as well
The main point of the topic though was to discuss the genuine talent of the Outlawz, in relation to their recent announcement of retiring and that if they really did "fall off" if a majority of their raw verses were good due to being written by 2Pac
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:)
99.9% sure that 2pac (or anybody else) never ever wrote a verse for Kurupt & Lady Of rage..
more like the other way around
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Kurupt was good at spitting verses from the top, and more than capable of writing his own material. Lady of Rage was as well. Those 2 themselves have written material for other rappers on Death Row. I wasn't mentioning that in a way to degrade their lyric writing abilities in any way, as the 2 are good at it. It was purely for the purpose of showing how far and wide on the label 2pac's work reached
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Those 2 - Hit 'Em Up Original and Retail are also on the list, but give no specific information as to what verses were written by 2Pac
I was only talking about the retail version, don't know about the other version
there are handwritten lyrics (all in Tupac's handwriting) on the same pieces of paper with all verses written
the lyrics were filmed in some studio footage
(btw, the written outlawz verses have slight differences to the recorded lyrics, seems like the lawz changed some words)
the only logical explanation to me is that he wrote those lyrics
maybe my other point wasn't that clear but what I was also trying to say is that
multiple artist have told stories that pac would write for others without asking them or being asked to
especially during his DR era, he was trying to get into producing, helping other artists and stuff like that
he would do songs with other people in mind and give them to em as a gift
The Outlawz was a group that Pac was trying to shape, teach etc.
most of the stuff he did for them was give song concepts, ideas and teach them to be artists
but he never came even close to finish his work with them before he died
they were still pretty young around that time and pac just started to (really) promote these guys
plus if you look at 96, all of a sudden 3 highly influential members of the group leaving (Pac/Yak/Fatal)
the reason why they "fell off" is pretty obvious to me if you consider all these things
but I think you're judging them too hard, you can't blame it all on them
to a certain extent they were victims of the circumstances
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Kurupt was good at spitting verses from the top, and more than capable of writing his own material. Lady of Rage was as well. Those 2 themselves have written material for other rappers on Death Row. I wasn't mentioning that in a way to degrade their lyric writing abilities in any way, as the 2 are good at it. It was purely for the purpose of showing how far and wide on the label 2pac's work reached
im not takin it as a degradation.
but seriously tho..
gossip like that is crazy, pimpin
???
do u think Biz Markie wrote lyrics for Big Daddy Kane or Kool G Rap durin the Juice Crew era?
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2Pac did write for Outlawz on Death Row a lot despite what they say about whatever (Outlaw) was completed in time got to record their verses if they were quick enough.. This is true to a degree however due to 2Pac's fast writing capabilities, this caused 2Pac to write other/give up a lot of his own verses to other Outlawz so that they could jump on to the track with him, give them exposure, and so that 2Pac had a dedicated group under him. Some of the tracks (There are more) are:
Bomb First (My Second Reply) - E.D.I's verse
When We Ride - Napoleon's verse
Thug Passion - Verse 2
U Can Be Touched OG version 2 - Verses
Made Niggaz - Napoleon's verse
so PAc wrote EDI's diss to Xzibit on Bomb First?
interesting
BTW MICKAVELI are you aware that Crooked I ghost wrote for Kurupt?
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Kurupt was good at spitting verses from the top, and more than capable of writing his own material. Lady of Rage was as well. Those 2 themselves have written material for other rappers on Death Row. I wasn't mentioning that in a way to degrade their lyric writing abilities in any way, as the 2 are good at it. It was purely for the purpose of showing how far and wide on the label 2pac's work reached
im not takin it as a degradation.
but seriously tho..
gossip like that is crazy, pimpin
???
do u think Biz Markie wrote lyrics for Big Daddy Kane or Kool G Rap durin the Juice Crew era?
the jUICE CREW was an allstar team put together by Marley Marl
completely different than the Outlawz, which was a group of 18-21 year olds + 2pac and Big Syke who were both older
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you have any proof? or just speculation?
one exampled would be the final version of hit em up
there are handwritten lyrics by 2pac and they include the outlawz verses
so it's obvious that pac wrote theses verses for them
1-Napoleon admitted U Can Be Touched was a verse Pac wrote about Napoleon's life for him....I don't know about any of the other songs this guy posted though
2-I'd always assume Fatal and Kadafi wrote their verses on "Hit Em Up" because of the style and lyrics being different from Pac's.
EDI on the other hand, his verse was basic lyrics with on point delivery (which is rare these days for him haha)
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:)
99.9% sure that 2pac (or anybody else) never ever wrote a verse for Kurupt & Lady Of rage..
more like the other way around
LMAO @ Pac needing a woman to write his raps. get outta heah.
the only time Pac had anyone write for him was Ray Luv did a portion of a verse on Trapped in 1991.
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so Pac wrote EDI's diss to Xzibit on Bomb First?
interesting
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the Biz Markie and 2pac-comparison is perfect.
pac ghostwriting for lady of rage or 95-era Kurupt -- as possible as Markie ghostwritin for Kane or G Rap..
Kurupt was in the top 3-mc's in the world back in 95, for christ sake..
n u mean to tell me an artist like friggin 2pac ghostwrote his shit?
what verses were penned by 2pac?
oh yes, i can completely recognize mr Shakurs lyrical dexterity in Kurupts-rhyme patterns on songs like "new york", smooth" and "slippin in the west"
granted, kurupt is wack today - but 2pac could only dream of punchlines, wordplay, lyrical capabilities like taht back in 95..
"sho shot" by lady of rage?
yeah, thats definitely 2pac :D
gtfoh
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the Biz Markie and 2pac-comparison is perfect.
pac ghostwriting for lady of rage or 95-era Kurupt -- as possible as Markie ghostwritin for Kane or G Rap..
Kurupt was in the top 3-mc's in the world back in 95, for christ sake..
n u mean to tell me an artist like friggin 2pac ghostwrote his shit?
what verses were penned by 2pac?
oh yes, i can completely recognize mr Shakurs lyrical dexterity in Kurupts-rhyme patterns on songs like "new york", smooth" and "slippin in the west"
granted, kurupt is wack today - but 2pac could only dream of punchlines, wordplay, lyrical capabilities like taht back in 95..
"sho shot" by lady of rage?
yeah, thats definitely 2pac :D
gtfoh
Not Sho Shot, not even Big Bad Lady that he was featured on. You seem to be missing an understanding on how it was when 2Pac got to Death Row. He arrived and shook the company up. He was writing so much material, that everybody struggled to keep up with him including the producers. So much was written that he couldn't even record it all, which in the end proved noxious because not all the "ideal" people got their hands on the material that wasn't recorded.
Besides rap though, he wrote scripts, plays, poetry, music video concepts, tracks, track lists, album & PR ideas for other artists - everything. He wrote songs, verses, even hooks for artists not because they asked for it, or even needed it, but because he wanted to do it. He was a writing machine plain and simple
Just because 2Pac wrote for these people, it doesn't mean that they needed the help, or even asked for it. He would just write it without their knowledge, then go up to the artist with it complete. Outlawz were different though besides Syke, Fatal & Kadafi
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the Biz Markie and 2pac-comparison is perfect.
pac ghostwriting for lady of rage or 95-era Kurupt -- as possible as Markie ghostwritin for Kane or G Rap..
Kurupt was in the top 3-mc's in the world back in 95, for christ sake..
n u mean to tell me an artist like friggin 2pac ghostwrote his shit?
what verses were penned by 2pac?
oh yes, i can completely recognize mr Shakurs lyrical dexterity in Kurupts-rhyme patterns on songs like "new york", smooth" and "slippin in the west"
granted, kurupt is wack today - but 2pac could only dream of punchlines, wordplay, lyrical capabilities like taht back in 95..
"sho shot" by lady of rage?
yeah, thats definitely 2pac :D
gtfoh
Not Sho Shot, not even Big Bad Lady that he was featured on. You seem to be missing an understanding on how it was when 2Pac got to Death Row. He arrived and shook the company up. He was writing so much material, that everybody struggled to keep up with him including the producers. So much was written that he couldn't even record it all, which in the end proved noxious because not all the "ideal" people got their hands on the material that wasn't recorded.
Besides rap though, he wrote scripts, plays, poetry, music video concepts, tracks, track lists, album & PR ideas for other artists - everything. He wrote songs, verses, even hooks for artists not because they asked for it, or even needed it, but because he wanted to do it. He was a writing machine plain and simple
Just because 2Pac wrote for these people, it doesn't mean that they needed the help, or even asked for it. He would just write it without their knowledge, then go up to the artist with it complete. Outlawz were different though besides Syke, Fatal & Kadafi
all true but can you think of any examples where Pac wrote for Kurupt and Rage?
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I was only talking about the retail version, don't know about the other version
there are handwritten lyrics (all in Tupac's handwriting) on the same pieces of paper with all verses written
the lyrics were filmed in some studio footage
(btw, the written outlawz verses have slight differences to the recorded lyrics, seems like the lawz changed some words)
the only logical explanation to me is that he wrote those lyrics
I know what you're talking about, but it wasn't in Pac's handwriting, which is different, as the papers were written too neatly (Pac's handwriting gets more and more sloppy, plus he wouldn't have the patience to do all that as neatly as it was) and weren't split up into bars. Someone else had probably transcribed it for some reason.
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I know what you're talking about, but it wasn't in Pac's handwriting, which is different, as the papers were written too neatly (Pac's handwriting gets more and more sloppy, plus he wouldn't have the patience to do all that as neatly as it was) and weren't split up into bars. Someone else had probably transcribed it for some reason.
I think it was Pac's handwriting but I didn't actually compare it to any of his other handwritten stuff so I'm not sure
and it's still unexplained why the written lyrics had slight changes if your theory is true
I would like to look into this but I can't remember which DVD it was on
do you remember which one it was?
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2Pac did write for Outlawz on Death Row a lot despite what they say about whatever (Outlaw) was completed in time got to record their verses if they were quick enough.. This is true to a degree however due to 2Pac's fast writing capabilities, this caused 2Pac to write other/give up a lot of his own verses to other Outlawz so that they could jump on to the track with him, give them exposure, and so that 2Pac had a dedicated group under him. Some of the tracks (There are more) are:
Bomb First (My Second Reply) - E.D.I's verse
When We Ride - Napoleon's verse
Thug Passion - Verse 2
U Can Be Touched OG version 2 - Verses
Made Niggaz - Napoleon's verse
so missed this speculation to say that Dr Dre wrote letters to Tupac, Outlawz, Snoop, Daz, Rage, Kurupt and The Row entire
HUAUHAUHUHAUHAHUAA
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2Pac did write for Outlawz on Death Row a lot despite what they say about whatever (Outlaw) was completed in time got to record their verses if they were quick enough.. This is true to a degree however due to 2Pac's fast writing capabilities, this caused 2Pac to write other/give up a lot of his own verses to other Outlawz so that they could jump on to the track with him, give them exposure, and so that 2Pac had a dedicated group under him. Some of the tracks (There are more) are:
Bomb First (My Second Reply) - E.D.I's verse
When We Ride - Napoleon's verse
Thug Passion - Verse 2
U Can Be Touched OG version 2 - Verses
Made Niggaz - Napoleon's verse
so missed this speculation to say that Dr Dre wrote letters to Tupac, Outlawz, Snoop, Daz, Rage, Kurupt and The Row entire
HUAUHAUHUHAUHAHUAA
speak english
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Considering 'Pac and Lady of Rage never got along, I can't see 'Pac writing songs for Rage. I don't see him writing verses for Bad Azz either; given the story about how "Krazy" was recorded, Bad Azz was capable of coming up with a verse in a decent amount of time.
Kurupt having rhymes ghostwritten for him wouldn't be shocking given the sharp drop-off in his lyricism since '99.
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Considering 'Pac and Lady of Rage never got along, I can't see 'Pac writing songs for Rage. I don't see him writing verses for Bad Azz either; given the story about how "Krazy" was recorded, Bad Azz was capable of coming up with a verse in a decent amount of time.
Kurupt having rhymes ghostwritten for him wouldn't be shocking given the sharp drop-off in his lyricism since '99.
Pac and Rage didn't get along? how so?
and yeah Crooked wrote for Kurupt but wouldn't elaborate on what he did
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pac went at rage cause during a studio session where they were all dissing the shit out of bad boy rage refused to indulge saying that she didn't have anything to say about them... or something along those lines. anyway it was east coast related, knowing that she was from VA, pac must have wanted her to prove her loyalty.
2pac didn't ghostwrite for kurupt but i can picture him coming to him with a song made-to-measure for kurupt since they were v. good friends. Kurupt wrote a lot for Daz during the death row era, especially on dogg food (he said it in an interview in the heyday of their beef)
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Pac and Rage didn't get along? how so?
pac went at rage cause during a studio session where they were all dissing the shit out of bad boy rage refused to indulge saying that she didn't have anything to say about them... or something along those lines. anyway it was east coast related, knowing that she was from VA, pac must have wanted her to prove her loyalty.
It was along those lines. There was an interview with Rage where she mentioned that, and also how she and Pac just never saw eye to eye during their time.
By the way, "They Wanna Be Like Us" from Chronic 2000 is rumored to be a track 2pac wrote but never got to record.
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gtfoh RAGE,KURUPT & BAD AZZ they are all great ghost writers themselves.
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pac went at rage cause during a studio session where they were all dissing the shit out of bad boy rage refused to indulge saying that she didn't have anything to say about them... or something along those lines. anyway it was east coast related, knowing that she was from VA, pac must have wanted her to prove her loyalty.
yes, I heard that pac wanted a female MC to diss Lil Kim & Da Brat (obviously Storm got that role later on)
at first he wanted Rage to do it but she declined and after that pac didn't fuck with her anymore
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Fuck halfsteppin hoes afraid to take it all the way to the front line!! Thug Life is the real deal not some fashion statement!!! WESTSIDE BAD BOY KILLA THUG LIFE OUTLAW!!!! Lil Kim its still on ya slut!!
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Fuck halfsteppin hoes afraid to take it all the way to the front line!! Thug Life is the real deal not some fashion statement!!! WESTSIDE BAD BOY KILLA THUG LIFE OUTLAW!!!! Lil Kim its still on ya slut!!
tanner what up
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pac went at rage cause during a studio session where they were all dissing the shit out of bad boy rage refused to indulge saying that she didn't have anything to say about them... or something along those lines. anyway it was east coast related, knowing that she was from VA, pac must have wanted her to prove her loyalty.
yes, I heard that pac wanted a female MC to diss Lil Kim & Da Brat (obviously Storm got that role later on)
at first he wanted Rage to do it but she declined and after that pac didn't fuck with her anymore
good - Storm was a better rapper to me than Rage anyways (granted Storm could never make a song like Afro Puffs....Lady of Rage could never match Storm's intense lyrics on Black Jesus, Never Be Peace, Under Pressure part 2 etc)
*awaits Lady of Rage dickriders to hate on him*
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I don't dickride Rage, but I would have to completely disagree with you about thinking Storm is better than Rage.
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I don't dickride Rage, but I would have to completely disagree with you about thinking Storm is better than Rage.
i'm a fan of both, so it's all good with me homey