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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: NoobCake on April 15, 2011, 08:26:52 PM
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Interesting. How much of the album do you think is ghost produced?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/04/14/135349466/singled-out-dj-quiks-luv-of-my-life?ps=mh_frhdl1
"How did this song come about?
We was just spending time in the studio about a month ago. Me and my brother G1 just started making the beat. I did the drums, he did the bass line. We did it in, like, 15 minutes. Just pretty much threw it together.
I left out of town to go do some business, came back a day later and G1 had developed the song into something else. It had piano on it already, so I just wrote that hook like, 'Wow. This is the love of my life. This is great.' Because it was so easy and fresh. I just loved the track. The track is the love of my life."
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
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I got some DJ Quik unheards from the DR Vault coming soon, stay tuned!
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I got some DJ Quik unheards from the DR Vault coming soon, stay tuned!
not sure if troll.
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
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I got some DJ Quik unheards from the DR Vault coming soon, stay tuned!
not sure if troll.
I'm good for it....
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
i'm saying he nearly always works with co-producers, so nothing's new. g-one, rob bacon, apparently some new guitar guy (dave foreman) on this album.
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
Well he hasn't had any beats sounding this good since G1 left his ass. So maybe yes? He is like Dre jr.?
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
Well he hasn't had any beats sounding this good since G1 left his ass. So maybe yes? He is like Dre jr.?
Quik & G1 is a great combination. like Dre? maybe in some ways, but methinks Quik is far more hands on, musically and technically, than Dre is these days.
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Wow quik is average as a rapper? Lol. I've always felt his producing is so good it makes people give him less credit as a rapper. Dude spits game in every verse!
Stupid thread tho. Quik is a true musician and has proved that for 2 decades. So what if he had a coproducer do most of the work on 1 song?
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It's the same stupid argument made by people who don't know what producing is that they said with Dre. Yes, Dr. Dre and DJ Quik are producers, not beat-makers. They have production teams who work on the records with them. They have people who play different instruments and help them produce their records. Quik has been working with G1 for well over 15 years so this really isn't news.
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Man if you don't like his new album that's ok. Stop wasting your time trying to say he got ghostproducers and stuff like that. Everybody knows Quik works with some musicians, but we all know he IS a musician too.
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@jimmyh
There is a difference tho. As far as I know dre only does drum programming. He doesn't play any of those other instruments. Quik does. Quik is the hip hop version of Prince.
Plus, how many different producers have accused dre of stealing their beats? And how many have accused quik?
Yeah exactly.
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I've heard more accusations of people not getting credit than any saying that Dre stole their beats but that's more here than there. And Quik might do more on the instrumentation level but the point I will continue to make is the person who makes a beat for a track and the person who produces the song aren't always one and the same. Quik himself has said this as well as many other people I consider to be great producers.
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@jimmyh
There is a difference tho. As far as I know dre only does drum programming. He doesn't play any of those other instruments. Quik does. Quik is the hip hop version of Prince.
Plus, how many different producers have accused dre of stealing their beats? And how many have accused quik?
Yeah exactly.
Only crackhead Daz after Suge told him to say it.
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Interesting. How much of the album do you think is ghost produced?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/04/14/135349466/singled-out-dj-quiks-luv-of-my-life?ps=mh_frhdl1
"How did this song come about?
We was just spending time in the studio about a month ago. Me and my brother G1 just started making the beat. I did the drums, he did the bass line. We did it in, like, 15 minutes. Just pretty much threw it together.
I left out of town to go do some business, came back a day later and G1 had developed the song into something else. It had piano on it already, so I just wrote that hook like, 'Wow. This is the love of my life. This is great.' Because it was so easy and fresh. I just loved the track. The track is the love of my life."
thats not news....any real Quik fan already knew Quik and G-1 was back together on that beat....
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@noobcake (btw, wtf at that name?!)
Nah its more than just daz.
What about j-flexx? What about the snoop interview where snoop basically admitted dre took credit for work daz and warren g did on the chronic / doggystyle? What about the doc interview where he all-but-said the reason mel-man left was cuz he was upset he wasn't getting his proper production credits? What about neff-u saying he really produced "my dads gone crazy" & "say what you say" for eminem, "back down" & "if I can't" for 50, and the coors light commercial beat?
Or you can read this article: http://www.ukmusic.com/forum/urban-music/the-truth-behind-aftermath-records-dr-dre-da-dog-27464.html
The writings on the wall
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The point isn't that Dre's been accused of stealing credits, it's that he's always used throughout his career co-producers or beatmakers who were sometimes not mentioned or overshadowed by Dre. The list is pretty long : Cold187Um, The Glove, Colin Wolfe, Warren G, Daz, Barney Rubble, Soopafly, Mel Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Focus, etc.
Many producers on the West and the South have co-producers that are musicians or beatmakers, and some can do it all (Mike dean, NO Joe, T-Mix, K-Lou, Jazze Pha, studio ton, battlecat).
Ant Banks had Shorty-B, Pee wee and them
Daz has had Soopafly, Ivan Johnson, Ricky Rouse etc.
Sean-T had G-Man Stan
Mike Mosley had Sam Bostic, Rick Rock
DJ Hook Me Mike D. had Sonny B
Prode'je had Robert Bacon & Tommy Mundy
Pimp C had NO Joe, and others
In the end all that matters is the final product, i don't give a fuck if Ambitionz Az A Ridah is good because of Quik's mixing, Daz's beat or Soopafly's keys, i'm not here to worship these dudes, just listen to some good music. don't get me wrong it's interesting to know who did what and not be a fool as to who is the key player in the process, it's just that i'm not trippin' if Dre only mixed Kush or Quik only did preliminary production work on the love of my life.
if quik has a banging record from a to z and hasnt produced it, i'll still prefer it over a 100% produced lukewarm quik album.
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The point isn't that Dre's been accused of stealing credits, it's that he's always used throughout his career co-producers or beatmakers who were sometimes not mentioned or overshadowed by Dre. The list is pretty long : Cold187Um, The Glove, Colin Wolfe, Warren G, Daz, Barney Rubble, Soopafly, Mel Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Focus, etc.
Many producers on the West and the South have co-producers that are musicians or beatmakers, and some can do it all (Mike dean, NO Joe, T-Mix, K-Lou, Jazze Pha, studio ton, battlecat).
Ant Banks had Shorty-B, Pee wee and them
Daz has had Soopafly, Ivan Johnson, Ricky Rouse etc.
Sean-T had G-Man Stan
Mike Mosley had Sam Bostic, Rick Rock
DJ Hook Me Mike D. had Sonny B
Prode'je had Robert Bacon & Tommy Mundy
Pimp C had NO Joe, and others
In the end all that matters is the final product, i don't give a fuck if Ambitionz Az A Ridah is good because of Quik's mixing, Daz's beat or Soopafly's keys, i'm not here to worship these dudes, just listen some good music. don't get me wrong it's interesting to know who did what and not be a fool as to who is the key player in the process, it's just that i'm not trippin' if Dre only mixed Kush or Quik only did preliminary production work on the love of my life.
if quik has a banging record from a to z and hasnt produced it, i'll still prefer it over a 100% produced lukewarm quik album.
Real Talk right here--- +1
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quik has a band that he uses sometimes...stop tryna hate smh
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"love of my life" sounds like a DJ Quk/Terrace Martin-production
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a lot of you guys just don't understand music production whatsoever
it's not the best idea to go in a studio, have the mindstate and insist that you are going to be the only guy working on the music
there are multiple people in the studio, you have to bounce ideas off of each other, music is not an isolated incident
not saying guys don't do tracks themselves, but just like any profession, someone has to proofread, edit, go over, give input, make corrections
it's not always such a competition of "it's only going to be my input and I'm going to show everyone how good I am"... it's not healthy to do that
when one decides to isolate himself, he can make some good stuff obviously, but it's counterproductive most of the time, and just not FUN
now if you want to argue who had the most input, I guess you can rack your brain and go ahead.... but these guys just don't always work that way
do television and movie producers work solely alone? think about it, it would be impossible.... not to confuse music and visual effects, but you get the idea
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whoa... why did everybody get all emotional over this? lol
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i totally agree with sprite's post
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
Isn't that the same for Dre and Kanye?
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a lot of you guys just don't understand music production whatsoever
it's not the best idea to go in a studio, have the mindstate and insist that you are going to be the only guy working on the music
there are multiple people in the studio, you have to bounce ideas off of each other, music is not an isolated incident
not saying guys don't do tracks themselves, but just like any profession, someone has to proofread, edit, go over, give input, make corrections
it's not always such a competition of "it's only going to be my input and I'm going to show everyone how good I am"... it's not healthy to do that
when one decides to isolate himself, he can make some good stuff obviously, but it's counterproductive most of the time, and just not FUN
now if you want to argue who had the most input, I guess you can rack your brain and go ahead.... but these guys just don't always work that way
do television and movie producers work solely alone? think about it, it would be impossible.... not to confuse music and visual effects, but you get the idea
rappers get flack for not writing all of their own rhymes...why shouldn't producers get flack for not fully producing their own songs?
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
Isn't that the same for Dre and Kanye?
Sure. 2001 instrumental to me is a MUCH better album than the original. You can hear the music more clearly without Dre fucking everything up with his forced bland delivery. Same thing for Kanye. I like a lot of his beats, but his voice and delivery ruins everything.
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it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.
are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? :P
That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
Isn't that the same for Dre and Kanye?
Sure. 2001 instrumental to me is a MUCH better album than the original. You can hear the music more clearly without Dre fucking everything up with his forced bland delivery. Same thing for Kanye. I like a lot of his beats, but his voice and delivery ruins everything.
Kanye maybe but Dre's beats are simplistic as fuck. The beats go hard but they need lyrics over them to keep them from being repetitive and boring. I bought the 2001 instrumentals and the only ones I could stand to keep listening to were Housewife and The Message.
Anyway my original post was to say that Dre, Kanye and many other producers aren't making their shit by themselves. We all know about Dre, and Kanye for one has had a coproducer on every album.
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rappers get flack for not writing all of their own rhymes...why shouldn't producers get flack for not fully producing their own songs?
Because producing isn't as clear cut as writing. Production covers several aspects of the recording process but most people get hung up on instrumentals.
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rappers get flack for not writing all of their own rhymes...why shouldn't producers get flack for not fully producing their own songs?
Because producing isn't as clear cut as writing. Production covers several aspects of the recording process but most people get hung up on instrumentals.
call producing whatever you want....but whenever rap fans talk about producers they mean the creative genius behind the instrumental. You can have your own definition and talk about as many details as you want but that's what it means to most people. Beats are more important in rap than other genres so maybe we need another word to describe the person who came up with the sound. Maybe from now on we should just refer to it as "the creative genius behind the sound" ;) Because when I talk about a producer that's what I mean. Any sap can throw their name on something.
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Didn't eminem produce a large portion of "the eminem show" by himself? That's a good example of working alone paying off.
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Didn't eminem produce a large portion of "the eminem show" by himself? That's a good example of working alone paying off.
The music suffered a lot from it though.
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people are still not getting how this producing vs composing relationship works?
PLEASE educate yourself....
it's getting old.
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call producing whatever you want....but whenever rap fans talk about producers they mean the creative genius behind the instrumental. You can have your own definition and talk about as many details as you want but that's what it means to most people. Beats are more important in rap than other genres so maybe we need another word to describe the person who came up with the sound. Maybe from now on we should just refer to it as "the creative genius behind the sound" ;) Because when I talk about a producer that's what I mean. Any sap can throw their name on something.
First of all, no matter how big a popular misconception is, it's still a MISCONCEPTION. This is not "my" own definition of what a producer does, it's one supported by people who actually work on and produce music. The "sound" of a record isn't just a beat. When I listen to music, I very rarely only listen to an instrumental. Your statement that instrumentals are more important in rap than they are in other genres is one I don't agree with either. If all producers did was throw their names on things, every artist in the fucking country could produce their own albums. All they would need to do is find people who make beats, buy them, and add their vocals to them.
If people choose to believe the "creative genius behind this" talk, that's on them. If you wish to buy into a false and projected image of something so you can simplify a conversation, I can't stop you. However, I'm not gonna dumb myself down into agreeing with something that isn't true so a person with the wrong information can be comfortable in the conversation. Rap fans have a hard-on for "beats" so that's the part of the producer job that is sold to them. What exactly do you think producers do, outside of the rap genre, where instead of making beats, they have a band that creates instrumentals with… instruments? Do you honestly think he’s just a guy who listens to them play and slaps his name on the song?
Didn't eminem produce a large portion of "the eminem show" by himself? That's a good example of working alone paying off.
Except he didn't WORK ALONE. Once again, being the sole credited producer doesn't usually mean you sat in a room and made the entire record from scratch by yourself.