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Interesting. How much of the album do you think is ghost produced?http://www.npr.org/blogs/therecord/2011/04/14/135349466/singled-out-dj-quiks-luv-of-my-life?ps=mh_frhdl1"How did this song come about?We was just spending time in the studio about a month ago. Me and my brother G1 just started making the beat. I did the drums, he did the bass line. We did it in, like, 15 minutes. Just pretty much threw it together.I left out of town to go do some business, came back a day later and G1 had developed the song into something else. It had piano on it already, so I just wrote that hook like, 'Wow. This is the love of my life. This is great.' Because it was so easy and fresh. I just loved the track. The track is the love of my life."
The point isn't that Dre's been accused of stealing credits, it's that he's always used throughout his career co-producers or beatmakers who were sometimes not mentioned or overshadowed by Dre. The list is pretty long : Cold187Um, The Glove, Colin Wolfe, Warren G, Daz, Barney Rubble, Soopafly, Mel Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Focus, etc.Many producers on the West and the South have co-producers that are musicians or beatmakers, and some can do it all (Mike dean, NO Joe, T-Mix, K-Lou, Jazze Pha, studio ton, battlecat).Ant Banks had Shorty-B, Pee wee and themDaz has had Soopafly, Ivan Johnson, Ricky Rouse etc.Sean-T had G-Man StanMike Mosley had Sam Bostic, Rick RockDJ Hook Me Mike D. had Sonny BProde'je had Robert Bacon & Tommy MundyPimp C had NO Joe, and othersIn the end all that matters is the final product, i don't give a fuck if Ambitionz Az A Ridah is good because of Quik's mixing, Daz's beat or Soopafly's keys, i'm not here to worship these dudes, just listen some good music. don't get me wrong it's interesting to know who did what and not be a fool as to who is the key player in the process, it's just that i'm not trippin' if Dre only mixed Kush or Quik only did preliminary production work on the love of my life.if quik has a banging record from a to z and hasnt produced it, i'll still prefer it over a 100% produced lukewarm quik album.
Quote from: Matty on April 15, 2011, 08:31:01 PMit's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.
it's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this?
a lot of you guys just don't understand music production whatsoeverit's not the best idea to go in a studio, have the mindstate and insist that you are going to be the only guy working on the musicthere are multiple people in the studio, you have to bounce ideas off of each other, music is not an isolated incidentnot saying guys don't do tracks themselves, but just like any profession, someone has to proofread, edit, go over, give input, make correctionsit's not always such a competition of "it's only going to be my input and I'm going to show everyone how good I am"... it's not healthy to do thatwhen one decides to isolate himself, he can make some good stuff obviously, but it's counterproductive most of the time, and just not FUNnow if you want to argue who had the most input, I guess you can rack your brain and go ahead.... but these guys just don't always work that waydo television and movie producers work solely alone? think about it, it would be impossible.... not to confuse music and visual effects, but you get the idea
Quote from: NoobCake on April 15, 2011, 08:39:18 PMQuote from: Matty on April 15, 2011, 08:31:01 PMit's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.Isn't that the same for Dre and Kanye?
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 16, 2011, 09:04:37 PMQuote from: NoobCake on April 15, 2011, 08:39:18 PMQuote from: Matty on April 15, 2011, 08:31:01 PMit's called co-production. probably be quite a bit with g-one and others on the album.are you trying to say that quik can't produce records on his own? what's the significance of this? That's not me saying it, he says it. People buy Quik's albums for his production, not his rapping. As a rapper he's always been average. So now he's not even producing his own shit.Isn't that the same for Dre and Kanye?Sure. 2001 instrumental to me is a MUCH better album than the original. You can hear the music more clearly without Dre fucking everything up with his forced bland delivery. Same thing for Kanye. I like a lot of his beats, but his voice and delivery ruins everything.
rappers get flack for not writing all of their own rhymes...why shouldn't producers get flack for not fully producing their own songs?
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 16, 2011, 09:10:29 PMrappers get flack for not writing all of their own rhymes...why shouldn't producers get flack for not fully producing their own songs? Because producing isn't as clear cut as writing. Production covers several aspects of the recording process but most people get hung up on instrumentals.