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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Dikteta Dax on September 08, 2011, 11:55:54 AM
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A Cash Money Records joint-release with Suburban Noize and Sony Red, Glasses Malone's solo debut Beach Cruiser made an appearance on the charts at #165. The South Central, Los Angeles native's long-delayed LP features Snoop Dogg, Rick Ross and early mentor Mack 10. Earlier this year, Glasses and Mack released Money Music.
165 Glasses Malone Beach Cruiser 2,700 2,700
Thats less then, Kendrick & Dom Kennedy who put out there albums indy. Less then Jay Rock and less then his album with Mack 10.
So with that being said would Glasses have pushed more if he dropped his album right after White Lightning Sticks or when he first signed to sony or cash money? Should more artist stop trying to sign to the majors and just put out music indy? Even though I don't believe the album came out on Cash Money at all, would he of did better numbers on a label like Strange Music? What does that say for Tyga's young money debut? Will artist like Roccet, 2eleven, Joe Moses, Young Hootie, etc ever drop albums on these major labels? And if they do would the numbers be like Glasses. I figure if cats is pushing the same numbers on there own then whats the point of being on a major besides the touring?
I got a homie that just signed to a major they gave him an okay singing bonus. Like about the money you would make in 1 year being a GM at Radio shack or some shit. But nobody outside of Los Angeles really knows who he is. So with these cats with bigger names hardly selling, will these young cats getting these record deals ever see the light of day? Will Cali Swag, Mann, YG, etc albums ever see the light of day?
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I agree with everything said. The problem though with Glasses was he was already signed to CM/Hoo Bangin and was contractually obligated to drop a album. Now going forward nah I think he should go the indie route.
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The thing is most of the fans don't even know that he's signed with the label. You gotta remember Cash Money/Yung Money fans are generally very young and so they are usually very visual. So if they don't spot you
hanging around with the rest of the crew, see you perform on BET, see you doing features with Wayne and whatnot then to them you're not even apart of the crew. Plus Glasses doesn't have that character or alot of charisma (in their eyes) to where they can deem him as entertaining just like J. Cole.
Also you have to add the fact that alot of people weren't really familiar with Glasses anyway prior to the album, or those who was might've forgotten about him. That's usually what happens when you're album gets pushed back and you take time in between your projects (mixtapes/albums).
Roccett, 2eleven, Joe Moses and Young Hootie will never make it even to a Kendrick, Jay Rock or Nipsey level. Most of them are more image than music, more about being super tough and being real rather than dropping some music with any content that's not cliche.
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True, it never seemed like Cash Money put there all into promoting dude. I guess it kinda has to do with the music he is making. The album was enjoyable for me though but I gotta admit I'm not into the gangsta shit like I was when I first heard of glasses and was active in the streets and shit. When he was on BWS I think if he would of got signed to Cash Money or if he could of got on Interscope with The Game Co-Sign he could actually got an album out and did some cool numbers. Cause for one the industry was different and it was still on the gangsta shit low key.
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True, it never seemed like Cash Money put there all into promoting dude. I guess it kinda has to do with the music he is making. The album was enjoyable for me though but I gotta admit I'm not into the gangsta shit like I was when I first heard of glasses and was active in the streets and shit. When he was on BWS I think if he would of got signed to Cash Money or if he could of got on Interscope with The Game Co-Sign he could actually got an album out and did some cool numbers. Cause for one the industry was different and it was still on the gangsta shit low key.
True. Man can't believe that his first mixtape came out in like 2005, that's 6 years ago! Time really goes by hella fast. G. Malone ain't getting younger either
i think he should've gone indie way back or just rolled with BWS as a signed artist a little while to build up more steam on the coast and then make a move somewhere else.
Like i said alot of people aren't/weren't even familiar with Glasses and so i think one of the reasons he got a deal years before was because gangsta rap was poppin', the west had just dropped a success album
which did numbers (The Documentary) and plus Glasses had a lil buzz with his first mixtape and had a co-sign from Game. They tried to bank in on that way too fast but it took Glasses 6 years to come out with a solo.
I think he needs to realize that artists like him needs to build up their fanbases on their coast first and then look elsewhere. G Malone can't and will never win over the teeny bopper crowd he just can't and neither can Game, so his best bet is to cater to his demographic more and build fans that way. I'm sure that's why he did the joint venture with Baby cuz he figured Wayne was hot and Cash Money was winning so of course he'd get a larger fanbase..only difference is G Malone is not a "party-make-it-rain-swag" type rapper so they're not gonna buy his shit.
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Well after so many album delays people tend to stop caring. It sucks but Look what happened with Beach Cruiser. He had so many failed singles and the one single that actually caught a good buzz was "Certified" and they never took advantage. The album should have come out right then. But what are you gonna do, Mainstream doesnt give a shit about gangster rap. As long as we enjoy the music thats all that matters in my book. I dont think units really matter anymore, I dont need G Malone to go platinum for me to blast his album. At least he got it on the shelves.
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I'm not even talking about the album sales really, cause i'm going to check out the album regardless. But I'm saying on a bigger picture as far as westcoast music, these labels and how artist choose to put there material out...
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Beach Cruiser didn´t come out on a major though. if Universal had put it out then it probably would´ve sold a little better.
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Cali Sawg District released their album, shit was getting promoted at the store I went to so I think that'll sell more than Glasses did.
Mann's album was also released, only this forum doesn't give a fuck about new west coast artists that actually have a buzz on a mainstream level....
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Will Cali Swag, Mann, YG, etc albums ever see the light of day?
Mann already dropped his debut album with Def Jam
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Cali Sawg District released their album, shit was getting promoted at the store I went to so I think that'll sell more than Glasses did.
Mann's album was also released, only this forum doesn't give a fuck about new west coast artists that actually have a buzz on a mainstream level....
Cali Swag sold 2800 copies the first week...
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He actually did drop on an indie
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I got the Mann album, didn't know if it was his official release or not.
And I know glasses dropped on an indy but they made it seem as if Cash Money was a big part of it.
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
after a while it's "ehh", i'll download it but i'm not gonna buy it. "when the sun comes up" was a pretty good single, i don't know why y'all are co-signing "certified" just becuz Akon was on tha single.
that "mack and malone" album reached it's full potential in my eyes. it really couldn't have done any better than what it did and what it did wasn't a bad in my eyes.
and last, why doesn't everybody come to terms with reality. if your shit is on the internet then it's as exposed and promoted as it's gonna be, why niggaz still act like all u need is a prime time spot on tv and the rush hour traffic radio spot is backwards thinking. fact is if your shit on here (somewhat but barely), ahh, sohh, wshh, hhdx, rrt, and Sucker Free Sunday, then your shit is pretty much promoted to it's full potential. people spend more time on the computer/phone then they do watching tv and listening to tha radio.
i think some of yall let Young Money/Brick Squad/and the South in general intimidate yall a little too much. i know they kinda have a SLIGHT advantage but at the end of tha day nobody can say that they cheated (aside from Wayne getting 18 nominations this year at tha Hip Hop Awards - nonsense). at the end of tha day if you don't have that "it" factor then you can't blame people for not buying your music (that doesn't mean that people don't support your movement).
4 most Rap music/music is an expensive hobby, for others it's a career. it's a cop out when somebody new drops an album and doesn't do as well as they expected. that's why i always try 2 put my personal feelings aside when i talk about shit like this. with that said i still fuck with Glasses Malone. he should've struck the iron back in 06' when he was hot and relevant but "you live and you learn". They just released his album so he could get free from his contract (and since Ca$h Money never held anybody back really, they just let him do him).
and u can say pretty much tha same thing for WideAwake/Death Row. the only difference is that they're a "collector's memorabilia" label so it's not really in tha same category as a new artist.
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I got my hands on the Mann album too. I thought it was a short album but still good. Malone's Album is good too. I thought Hoo Bangin'/Cash Money/Universal was the label Beach Cruiser was put out through. That is considered major. Unless Im mistaken.
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It came out through Sony Red/Suburban Noize/Cash Money
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
How does it benefit Interscope or anyone involved with Detox for them to buy their own albums? It seems like people are so stuck on these cool little theories that they never allow logic to slip in and say, "Hey. Why would this make sense?".
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
How does it benefit Interscope or anyone involved with Detox for them to buy their own albums? It seems like people are so stuck on these cool little theories that they never allow logic to slip in and say, "Hey. Why would this make sense?".
its like the illuminati, cats get to caught up in conspiracies they cant prove...
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
How does it benefit Interscope or anyone involved with Detox for them to buy their own albums? It seems like people are so stuck on these cool little theories that they never allow logic to slip in and say, "Hey. Why would this make sense?".
its like the illuminati, cats get to caught up in conspiracies they cant prove...
nah Jimmy's just bitter from tha Suge/DeathRow thread from a few months ago, why he hasn't let it go yet i dont know? but you're pretty gullable and misinformed if u believe companies don't put their own stock into their own products, that's Business Management 102. niggaz do that who are on indies and on majors... word 2 Boyface
but whatever though, trying to tell people time and time again that their judgement is a little clouded and misguided is kinda old. everybody wants to be right and nobody wants to wrong or told something different. at the end of tha day if you can't at least admit that companies try 2 boost their own stock (which is smart/common sense) then you're a fool and shouldn't be trying to tell anybody about the politics of business.
nicki = platinum, drake = platinum, weezy = platinum, birdman = 400K, glasses malone = 3K.... sure you're right. i mean i know dude isn't the most popularist person on Ca$h Money but it's not like he's a nobody either. "Beach Cruiser" is pretty much his "Juve The Great" for Ca$h Money. i'm not saying that people didn't go out and buy those nicki, drake, and wayne albums or even Birdman's album but let's not get delusional becuz i'm talking about your favorite artist at one point or another. i don't even know why i'm wasting my time with tha shit foreal foreal
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
after a while it's "ehh", i'll download it but i'm not gonna buy it. "when the sun comes up" was a pretty good single, i don't know why y'all are co-signing "certified" just becuz Akon was on tha single.
that "mack and malone" album reached it's full potential in my eyes. it really couldn't have done any better than what it did and what it did wasn't a bad in my eyes.
and last, why doesn't everybody come to terms with reality. if your shit is on the internet then it's as exposed and promoted as it's gonna be, why niggaz still act like all u need is a prime time spot on tv and the rush hour traffic radio spot is backwards thinking. fact is if your shit on here (somewhat but barely), ahh, sohh, wshh, hhdx, rrt, and Sucker Free Sunday, then your shit is pretty much promoted to it's full potential. people spend more time on the computer/phone then they do watching tv and listening to tha radio.
i think some of yall let Young Money/Brick Squad/and the South in general intimidate yall a little too much. i know they kinda have a SLIGHT advantage but at the end of tha day nobody can say that they cheated (aside from Wayne getting 18 nominations this year at tha Hip Hop Awards - nonsense). at the end of tha day if you don't have that "it" factor then you can't blame people for not buying your music (that doesn't mean that people don't support your movement).
4 most Rap music/music is an expensive hobby, for others it's a career. it's a cop out when somebody new drops an album and doesn't do as well as they expected. that's why i always try 2 put my personal feelings aside when i talk about shit like this. with that said i still fuck with Glasses Malone. he should've struck the iron back in 06' when he was hot and relevant but "you live and you learn". They just released his album so he could get free from his contract (and since Ca$h Money never held anybody back really, they just let him do him).
and u can say pretty much tha same thing for WideAwake/Death Row. the only difference is that they're a "collector's memorabilia" label so it's not really in tha same category as a new artist.
real talk...not to mention the album was all over the place trying to reach too many different people...Beach Cruiser was intially suppose to be an ode to the new West...this shit that dropped outside of a couple tracks is more like an opus to the YMCMB crowd...
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people just lost interest really, it's the same thing that's gonna happen for "Detox" too (trust me when i say Interscope will be buying records).
How does it benefit Interscope or anyone involved with Detox for them to buy their own albums? It seems like people are so stuck on these cool little theories that they never allow logic to slip in and say, "Hey. Why would this make sense?".
Not saying he's right or wrong but c'mon use common sense. We live in a time were most of today's music is catered to teens and they usually just follow trends and stuff. So let's say Detox sold a mill first week out don't you think that would make a whole lot of people more interested in the album and then eventually go out and buy it? Like i said i don't agree with it nor am i saying that he's right/wrong but let's be honest people just wanna be apart of anything popular or trendy nowadays. For example why do you think Baby sent Justin Beiber of all people "YMCMB" shirts a while ago? Obviously because he's popular with the younger crowd and then once they saw him wearing those shirts the sales for those shirts went up big time.
There was huge rumors 10 years ago about how Jay-Z and Def Jam used to do that and when you look at some of his first week album sales compared to some of the albums that had way bigger singles and were hotter that way (ie. Outkast) it does seem odd. Had a few people that worked on XXL and even Def Jam i think explain the way they used to do it, not saying it's true but you gotta understand at the end of the day it's business.
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High first week sales create a buzz, that people buy into. The backward logic been its selling well so it must be good. So more people end up buying it because they think its hot.
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High first week sales create a buzz, that people buy into. The backward logic been its selling well so it must be good. So more people end up buying it because they think its hot.
Exactly that's what i was saying. People really didn't start caring about first week sales until 50 came out though.
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but you're pretty gullable and misinformed if u believe companies don't put their own stock into their own products, that's Business Management 102.
Alright. Tell you what. Try raising stock in your company by spending retail price on something you're making wholesale profit. This is called "basic math". Every copy of a CD that the label buys is anywhere from three to five dollars out of their pocket versus if it sells on its own, they are making anywhere from seven to nine dollars profit. In order to boost record sales to that degree, that's a lot of fucking money.
but whatever though, trying to tell people time and time again that their judgement is a little clouded and misguided is kinda old. everybody wants to be right and nobody wants to wrong or told something different. at the end of tha day if you can't at least admit that companies try 2 boost their own stock (which is smart/common sense) then you're a fool and shouldn't be trying to tell anybody about the politics of business.
It is common sense to think a company wants to boost their own stock. Perhaps if you weren't so concerned with talking ABOVE me, instead of actually listening to what I'm saying, you would have figured out that that wasn't what I was getting at. Yes, a company wants to increase its stock. Buying back your own product doesn't equal profits. It equals loss.
High first week sales create a buzz, that people buy into. The backward logic been its selling well so it must be good. So more people end up buying it because they think its hot.
Game had the #1 album in the country, last week. His sales took a considerable slip, this week. In some cases, (read: Kanye vs. 50 sales match in '07), it would make sense for the labels to want to help inflate the sales but to just throw out the "record labels is buying them" argument at the drop of a hat is contuining to dumb down the argument. And this is the specific problem I have. Nobody wants to think on their own. They want to latch on to a popular theory and throw it out whenever they feel like it. Buying your own product back at retail price after you sell it wholesale doesn't increase your stock. And it's a ridicilously-high gamble if there isn't something that is actually creating interest beyond that. For example, you look at Game's marketing move with offering Twitter follows to people who buy two copies of his album or whatever it was. On paper, it seems like a good way to inflate his sales but in the long run, all it basically does is give him a strong first week. He hasn't actually created larger interest or awareness in the product, he's simply found a gimmick to make the same people who were already aware and interested buy it again.
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The labels buying their own records theory is very true sometimes. As you said, seeing higher sales makes fans think the product is good so they'll buy it.
Ever see rappers go on 106 and give copies of their album to everyone in the audience? You can bet those coppies were purchased by the label and counted on soundscan
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whoa *somber shit*... jim you're buggin if u think i'ma even read 1 of your responses. you clearly don't like me 1st off so whatever u say i'ma dodge like a muthafucka. 2nd, unless you're in the industry or know somebody you're close with in the industry to even know what's going on behind the scenes (even if it's scratching the surface) then don't come at me with some bullshit becuz u got a limp dick and lack life. all of that drama and nonsense i'm not with so drink a 40 and bask n your bitterness. i'm out
http://www.youtube.com//v/U7bIlJLeSjs
whenever ya'll are ready to talk about music then do so until then stop dippin in tha koolaid actin like u kno da flavor. some of yall be way in over your head for nothin'.
http://www.youtube.com//v/4HQR9fINBuM
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I hold no bitterness towards anyone on a message board, bro. You have some clear insecurities when you can't have an adult conversation with someone without resorting to childish emotions and whining about how people are out to get you. You are the one who continues to fall back on attacking people and building yourself up like you're above it all. If you are truly a mature, intelligent human being who is secure with themself, the name-calling would be a non-issue and you would just stick to the topic and stop trying to make it a personal thing. The "drama" you refer to is shit you are throwing at me! Not the other way around. If you have a valid point, make it. Don't start getting upset because someone asked you to stop hide behind vague-ass comments just because they are "popular opinion".
Case in point, this quote by Gangsta Boogy:
The labels buying their own records theory is very true sometimes. As you said, seeing higher sales makes fans think the product is good so they'll buy it.
Ever see rappers go on 106 and give copies of their album to everyone in the audience? You can bet those coppies were purchased by the label and counted on soundscan
Now, me and this dude don't always see eye-to-eye and I don't necessarily agree with the theory he just put out there but he's at least explaining to people why he landed at this conclusion. I respect that more than someone who just talks out of their ass and then acts all upset when someone asks them to clarify. If you're going to be a child about it. Fine. Be a child but don't act like I didn't try to hear you out.
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Spider loc would of sold even less.that's why 50 didn't put him out bt g malone of sold more if the album was backed.cash money did start off backin him wth certied & the records with wayne & birdman & rick ross.but I guess he didn't generate enough buzz off them records 2 keep they interest.they should of put him out around the time certified was buzzing.
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but you're pretty gullable and misinformed if u believe companies don't put their own stock into their own products, that's Business Management 102.
Alright. Tell you what. Try raising stock in your company by spending retail price on something you're making wholesale profit. This is called "basic math". Every copy of a CD that the label buys is anywhere from three to five dollars out of their pocket versus if it sells on its own, they are making anywhere from seven to nine dollars profit. In order to boost record sales to that degree, that's a lot of fucking money.
but whatever though, trying to tell people time and time again that their judgement is a little clouded and misguided is kinda old. everybody wants to be right and nobody wants to wrong or told something different. at the end of tha day if you can't at least admit that companies try 2 boost their own stock (which is smart/common sense) then you're a fool and shouldn't be trying to tell anybody about the politics of business.
It is common sense to think a company wants to boost their own stock. Perhaps if you weren't so concerned with talking ABOVE me, instead of actually listening to what I'm saying, you would have figured out that that wasn't what I was getting at. Yes, a company wants to increase its stock. Buying back your own product doesn't equal profits. It equals loss.
High first week sales create a buzz, that people buy into. The backward logic been its selling well so it must be good. So more people end up buying it because they think its hot.
Game had the #1 album in the country, last week. His sales took a considerable slip, this week. In some cases, (read: Kanye vs. 50 sales match in '07), it would make sense for the labels to want to help inflate the sales but to just throw out the "record labels is buying them" argument at the drop of a hat is contuining to dumb down the argument. And this is the specific problem I have. Nobody wants to think on their own. They want to latch on to a popular theory and throw it out whenever they feel like it. Buying your own product back at retail price after you sell it wholesale doesn't increase your stock. And it's a ridicilously-high gamble if there isn't something that is actually creating interest beyond that. For example, you look at Game's marketing move with offering Twitter follows to people who buy two copies of his album or whatever it was. On paper, it seems like a good way to inflate his sales but in the long run, all it basically does is give him a strong first week. He hasn't actually created larger interest or awareness in the product, he's simply found a gimmick to make the same people who were already aware and interested buy it again.
Word, you're exactly right, I've never understood why people think that's going on, because it would be an extreeeeeemely big gamble, at best,
the numbers don't add up AT ALL.
Like if you have an album at $10 and the artists gets 10%,
and then the retailers like iTunes, record stores, etc. can take a big chunk, like 50%,
then the record company will be making like $4 on a $10 album...
So for the record company to buy 500,000 copies where they have to buy each copy at $10 from the retailers to
make it count on Soundscan, it would cost them $5 million to buy them all in the first place,
then they'd get back $2 mill,
but would be making a LOSS of $3 mill, because of the percentages that go to the retailers and artists.
To make up the loss, to just break even would mean they'd have to sell 750,000 MORE copies,
by people actually buying it for real...
i.e. quite a lot more than they bought in the first place!
And the figures would only make an impact after the first week sales are in, to get the publicity of
having a no. 1 album, so it'd have to sell that 750,000 second week, which is fucking huuuugely unlikely,
and that's not even to make any money, that's just to get back the money you spent.
It would make even less sense for the artist to buy the record, as they'd make an even bigger initial
loss.
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And that's what people aren't seeing. I'm not saying that I am 100% right about everything. I'm telling people what I think and explaining why I arrived at that conclusion. And when it comes to spending thousands of dollars to inflate sales so you can have a #1 album. It doesn't add up logically. You can overexpose wack music and eventually, people might grow to love it but who the fuck buys music based on numbers? Until someone can come on here and tell me they bought the fucking Glee soundtrack or Celine Dion or some other shit, just because it was #1, you're just passing blame on to some hypothetical group of idiots.