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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on June 04, 2012, 08:47:18 PM
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I don't get how this classic album did not sell any more than it did. I'm from the midwest and I still knew a lot of people that bought this album. It was well advertised on BET and Nobody Does It Better charted well as a single. The album was straight up classic shit and one of a kind. It's a tragedy this album didn't sell more than it did. I heard something like 150,000 was all it sold. I wonder if Nate even made any money off this album.
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it wasnt promoted enough..or probably "g funk" and the westcoast was fading out at the time, 97' right?..
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it wasnt promoted enough..or probably "g funk" and the westcoast was fading out at the time, 97' right?..
Daz and Kurupt both charted top 10 on Billboard in 98', respectively. Daz album may have been slightly better than Nate's but Kurupt's surely wasn't
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Advertising wasnt much if any. I remember walking into the wherehouse and seeing it out of the blue when it first came out.
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hardly any advertising for it. I don't know if I would call it a classic either...definitely some classic songs, but all around I wouldn't call the album a classic as a whole.
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There was no official single really bubbling at the time the album dropped either, Nobody Does It Better had been out months and it was off the WOO soundtrack from early in the year.
I would call it a personal classic for sure! It would have been IMO a great success had it been released in late 95/96 as planned, but some dated singles (Never Leave Me Alone) and no promotion, didnt help NAte and DPG going theyre ways and Snoop in NO Limit mode didnt help either
I read in The Source magazine that Nate actually bought "G-Funk Classiocs, Vol.1" from Death Row for a million dollars and he owned the masters to that album, and only released the dated album to get his work to the public as planned
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at first it was released as just volume 1, i believe.. on death row, if i'm not mistaking.....but it wasnt promoted, because nate had left the label by then. then nate bought the masters, and it was pulled from shelves and re-released as a double disc on a different label a year later. again, with limited promotion. i'd say, that first and foremost, his situation with death row was the reason for the lack of success behind the album. if he never had any problems with death row and released it with proper promotion when the label was at the top of its game, it woulda gone platinum, at the very least.
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Promotion for sure. Never even knew the album existed before I read about it on the Internet years later.
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Promotion for sure.
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great album no advertising to me its a classic
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The "Never Leave Me Alone" single was in the Billboard Top 40 if I remember right. So the Death Row album had a chance to run at least gold. But the reason the Breakaway/Navarre album flopped was in fact a lack of promotion.
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I heard something like 150,000 was all it sold. I wonder if Nate even made any money off this album.
sellin 150,000 indepently means you're eating good... and as far as i know it sold close to 250k, but i'm not sure. Nate was schooled by D-Shot & Big C Style on the independent game, so i'm pretty sure he made a nice profit.
from what i read, he sued Death Row to get his masters and be able to re-release the material from G-Funk Classics Vol. 1.
IMO, the reason it didn't go anywhere near gold or platinum was because of the G-Funk Classics Vol. 1 situation, and because he dropped it independently in 98 when the westcoast scene was losing momentum big time. aside from Snoop, Cube, Quik & E-40 (not counting 2pac) which where all major releases, nobody went gold or plat on the west. just like if it had not been pulled out of the shelves, G-FUnk CLassics wouldn't have sold much either, as soon as Suge went to jail, Death Row never really moved any units like that, it's a pity cause as it has been pointed out, Never Leave Me Alone was a top 40 hit. Nate & Rage were the biggest losers on Tha Row, if their albums had dropped during the label's heyday, they would have at least a plaque for their own albums.
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I heard something like 150,000 was all it sold. I wonder if Nate even made any money off this album.
sellin 150,000 indepently means you're eating good... and as far as i know it sold close to 250k, but i'm not sure. Nate was schooled by D-Shot & Big C Style on the independent game, so i'm pretty sure he made a nice profit.
from what i read, he sued Death Row to get his masters and be able to re-release the material from G-Funk Classics Vol. 1.
IMO, the reason it didn't go anywhere near gold or platinum was because of the G-Funk Classics Vol. 1 situation, and because he dropped it independently in 98 when the westcoast scene was losing momentum big time. aside from Snoop, Cube, Quik & E-40 (not counting 2pac) which where all major releases, nobody went gold or plat on the west. just like if it had not been pulled out of the shelves, G-FUnk CLassics wouldn't have sold much either, as soon as Suge went to jail, Death Row never really moved any units like that, it's a pity cause as it has been pointed out, Never Leave Me Alone was a top 40 hit. Nate & Rage were the biggest losers on Tha Row, if their albums had dropped during the label's heyday, they would have at least a plaque for their own albums.
the west was still doin' big numbers in '98, wc went gold, kurupt & mc ren sold well, mack 10 did well, e40 too and cube. snoop even went double patinum...quik did good too.
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Not sure how long it was out before than, but Nobody Does it Better was I think #21 on the pop charts. But even then, I remember seeing the video one time on MTV and thinking it was a new Warren G single ha ha. The promotion for the album was awful.
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Might also have to dop with the cold hard fact that although EVERYBODY wanted to have Nate on a hook, not many people would care to buy a WHOLE album of him.
& YES, he didn't have so many fans until he sadly passed. A lot of people won't want to hear or acknowledge it, but it's unfortunately true & we ALL know it.
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^nate isnt any bigger now, than when he was alive
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^nate isnt any bigger now, than when he was alive
A little bit I think, or maybe it was only at the time of his passing? & itll soon fade away as his memory does... But now that you mention it, it is true Elektra doesn't seem to be too keen on putting tribute albums out for Nate. Or even officially release his self-titles album.
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I heard something like 150,000 was all it sold. I wonder if Nate even made any money off this album.
sellin 150,000 indepently means you're eating good... and as far as i know it sold close to 250k, but i'm not sure. Nate was schooled by D-Shot & Big C Style on the independent game, so i'm pretty sure he made a nice profit.
from what i read, he sued Death Row to get his masters and be able to re-release the material from G-Funk Classics Vol. 1.
IMO, the reason it didn't go anywhere near gold or platinum was because of the G-Funk Classics Vol. 1 situation, and because he dropped it independently in 98 when the westcoast scene was losing momentum big time. aside from Snoop, Cube, Quik & E-40 (not counting 2pac) which where all major releases, nobody went gold or plat on the west. just like if it had not been pulled out of the shelves, G-FUnk CLassics wouldn't have sold much either, as soon as Suge went to jail, Death Row never really moved any units like that, it's a pity cause as it has been pointed out, Never Leave Me Alone was a top 40 hit. Nate & Rage were the biggest losers on Tha Row, if their albums had dropped during the label's heyday, they would have at least a plaque for their own albums.
The Rage album was less than impressive. I don't think Rage really had the talent to create a best-selling album, especially in 98'. She was dope when she had the support of Dre and Snoop, like in her "Afro Puffs" days, but aside from the success of Afro Puffs she was only dope as a guest artist.
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^nate isnt any bigger now, than when he was alive
A little bit I think, or maybe it was only at the time of his passing? & itll soon fade away as his memory does... But now that you mention it, it is true Elektra doesn't seem to be too keen on putting tribute albums out for Nate. Or even officially release his self-titles album.
ur trippin...nate was at his biggest around the time "area codes" dropped.
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I heard something like 150,000 was all it sold. I wonder if Nate even made any money off this album.
sellin 150,000 indepently means you're eating good... and as far as i know it sold close to 250k, but i'm not sure. Nate was schooled by D-Shot & Big C Style on the independent game, so i'm pretty sure he made a nice profit.
from what i read, he sued Death Row to get his masters and be able to re-release the material from G-Funk Classics Vol. 1.
IMO, the reason it didn't go anywhere near gold or platinum was because of the G-Funk Classics Vol. 1 situation, and because he dropped it independently in 98 when the westcoast scene was losing momentum big time. aside from Snoop, Cube, Quik & E-40 (not counting 2pac) which where all major releases, nobody went gold or plat on the west. just like if it had not been pulled out of the shelves, G-FUnk CLassics wouldn't have sold much either, as soon as Suge went to jail, Death Row never really moved any units like that, it's a pity cause as it has been pointed out, Never Leave Me Alone was a top 40 hit. Nate & Rage were the biggest losers on Tha Row, if their albums had dropped during the label's heyday, they would have at least a plaque for their own albums.
The Rage album was less than impressive. I don't think Rage really had the talent to create a best-selling album, especially in 98'. She was dope when she had the support of Dre and Snoop, like in her "Afro Puffs" days, but aside from the success of Afro Puffs she was only dope as a guest artist.
rage is a dope lyricist...if dre woulda produced her album, shit woulda been classic. her album was pretty good, but not great. woulda been much better with some more focus on production.
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@cordozzar
That's a lie. I haven't heard shit about Nate since he passed on. We want it to be like u say it is but it isn't.
Promotion and distribution staggered the success of that/those albums.
People were checking for a Nate Dogg album becuz they knew it would be good. Maybe u and your homies felt that way but people actually fucked with Nate Dogg. A nigga who I barely even knew as a pre-teen let me on hold to that album and I wasn't even aware it existed. Nate was always just as popular as 2pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Tha Dogg Pound, he wasn't one of those guys who got lost in the shadows of his peers (even before he started blessing everybody with hooks)
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^nate isnt any bigger now, than when he was alive
A little bit I think, or maybe it was only at the time of his passing? & itll soon fade away as his memory does... But now that you mention it, it is true Elektra doesn't seem to be too keen on putting tribute albums out for Nate. Or even officially release his self-titles album.
ur trippin...nate was at his biggest around the time "area codes" dropped.
if you mean in features requests, most probably yes, but how about solo record sales?
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@cordozzar
That's a lie. I haven't heard shit about Nate since he passed on. We want it to be like u say it is but it isn't.
Promotion and distribution staggered the success of that/those albums.
People were checking for a Nate Dogg album becuz they knew it would be good. Maybe u and your homies felt that way but people actually fucked with Nate Dogg. A nigga who I barely even knew as a pre-teen let me on hold to that album and I wasn't even aware it existed. Nate was always just as popular as 2pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Tha Dogg Pound, he wasn't one of those guys who got lost in the shadows of his peers (even before he started blessing everybody with hooks)
As popular as Dre, Snoop or Pac? I don't think so.
Had he been as popular he wouldn't have died in poverty & his family wouldn't have needed to rely on fan-raised funds, wouldn't you say? (With ALL DUE respect to Nate's memory & legacy.)
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^nate isnt any bigger now, than when he was alive
A little bit I think, or maybe it was only at the time of his passing? & itll soon fade away as his memory does... But now that you mention it, it is true Elektra doesn't seem to be too keen on putting tribute albums out for Nate. Or even officially release his self-titles album.
ur trippin...nate was at his biggest around the time "area codes" dropped.
if you mean in features requests, most probably yes, but how about solo record sales?
well, thats what hes mainly been known as, a hookmaster. he was never big as a solo act.
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@cordozzar
That's a lie. I haven't heard shit about Nate since he passed on. We want it to be like u say it is but it isn't.
Promotion and distribution staggered the success of that/those albums.
People were checking for a Nate Dogg album becuz they knew it would be good. Maybe u and your homies felt that way but people actually fucked with Nate Dogg. A nigga who I barely even knew as a pre-teen let me on hold to that album and I wasn't even aware it existed. Nate was always just as popular as 2pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Tha Dogg Pound, he wasn't one of those guys who got lost in the shadows of his peers (even before he started blessing everybody with hooks)
As popular as Dre, Snoop or Pac? I don't think so.
Had he been as popular he wouldn't have died in poverty & his family wouldn't have needed to rely on fan-raised funds, wouldn't you say? (With ALL DUE respect to Nate's memory & legacy.)
U r aware that Pac was broke/in debt when he died right?, along with countless other musicians (like Michael Jackson...so they say)
If that's ur reasoning for what u say then it's piss poor. Was Nate the next Brittany Spears at that time in music, no. But Nate definitely had a big following. GOAT/King(s) were synonymous with 2Pac and Nate Dogg and etc. I think you're thinking about Rage and Suga Free. Tha Eastsidaz went platinum and they were virtually unheard of, not to mention "G'd Up" was on the "3 Strikes" soundtrack and both albums came out in February. How can u say people weren't checking for a Nate Dogg album when Nate Dogg was pretty much a household name verses to virtually unheard of rappers. What r u gonna say, becuz Nate Dogg is a hip hop artist and he doesn't make Rap songs then nobody wants to buy it? (even for that time). That's pretty absurd guy
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@cordozzar
That's a lie. I haven't heard shit about Nate since he passed on. We want it to be like u say it is but it isn't.
Promotion and distribution staggered the success of that/those albums.
People were checking for a Nate Dogg album becuz they knew it would be good. Maybe u and your homies felt that way but people actually fucked with Nate Dogg. A nigga who I barely even knew as a pre-teen let me on hold to that album and I wasn't even aware it existed. Nate was always just as popular as 2pac, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, and Tha Dogg Pound, he wasn't one of those guys who got lost in the shadows of his peers (even before he started blessing everybody with hooks)
As popular as Dre, Snoop or Pac? I don't think so.
Had he been as popular he wouldn't have died in poverty & his family wouldn't have needed to rely on fan-raised funds, wouldn't you say? (With ALL DUE respect to Nate's memory & legacy.)
U r aware that Pac was broke/in debt when he died right?, along with countless other musicians (like Michael Jackson...so they say)
If that's ur reasoning for what u say then it's piss poor. Was Nate the next Brittany Spears at that time in music, no. But Nate definitely had a big following. GOAT/King(s) were synonymous with 2Pac and Nate Dogg and etc. I think you're thinking about Rage and Suga Free. Tha Eastsidaz went platinum and they were virtually unheard of, not to mention "G'd Up" was on the "3 Strikes" soundtrack and both albums came out in February. How can u say people weren't checking for a Nate Dogg album when Nate Dogg was pretty much a household name verses to virtually unheard of rappers. What r u gonna say, becuz Nate Dogg is a hip hop artist and he doesn't make Rap songs then nobody wants to buy it? (even for that time). That's pretty absurd guy
& WHY did Tha Eastsidaz debut went platinum? Because it had Snoop Dogg ALL OVER IT is all.
You wanna believe Nate was as big as PAc, Dre & Snoop, well it's your chjoice, but it ain't true. If it ere, he would have made the same figures as them. & He never did. (& I stree it has NOTHING to do with the quality of his music before someone makes it like that's what I said or meant.)
Another exemple?
how many Source, Vibe & XXL covers has Pac, Snnop & Dre make?
How many Nate made?
Daz & Kurupt made more covers than Nate made. (I don't know what covers he made actually, & if anyone has covers with Nate, PLEASE send me the jpegs for them, thank you!)
There you go.
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Your reasons actually make no sense
I'm dead serious when I say this but I think when "Nobody Does It Better" came on TV we were all watching it at the same time. I think thru out my entire life (literally) I've only seen that video played twice on TV. I never saw "Never Leave Me Alone" on TV, I never heard any of his shit on the radio and tv for that fact. Matter of fact I think i heard everything Nate Dogg played on TV and Radio except his solo shit (which had features), since radio and tv is the only thing that's ever mattered in life
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No more or no less than yours. Nate never was as big as Dre, Snoop & Pac. It's plain nonsense.
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Riiight... let's just agree to disagree
Even tho.... Nate's singles and album(s) are heralded as classic by core, caught on, and new fans alike (before and after his death)
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Riiight... let's just agree to disagree
Even tho.... Nate's singles and album(s) are heralded as classic by core, caught on, and new fans alike (before and after his death)
As you say, we can only agree to disagree on this one. Glad to see it IS still possible to argue with someone on this site without calling the other names just because he deosn't share one's opinions. It is actually refreshing.
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True dat but I remember the climate in Hip Hop in 1998 becuz just at the end of the year before I really started to take a steep and everlasting nose dive into the culture of hip hop, I started to put the Nintendo 64 down and started to pick up a Walkman a lot more.
The California sound and movement wasn't necessarily played out by the summer of 98', there was just a new hardcore coming out of New York (aka Def Jam) and it was becoming more and more popular with the masses. You also had the beginning of the Virginia shockwave and takeover in 97'/98' with Timbaland n Crew and The Neptunes. I remember those times in the Summer and Fall so vividly, I still remember the day my Dad brought "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not To Be Told" before anybody I knew had it.
Then Juvenile had the "Ha" record and Ca$h Money was gettin big and then Master P was doing massive things with No Limit. Nobody forgot about G Funk, the Corporation was just playing the New shit. And as we all know the Radio and the Public have never really seen eye to eye for quite some time now, contrary to the excuses the Corporations try to feed us.
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Reasons I think this album didn't do so hot:
1 - The album was released on Breakaway Entertainment. That label only put out releases in 1998 because their CEO got some charges on the federal level thrown at him. The label basically folded the same year it began. If that's true about Nate Dogg paying a ton of money to get the rights to release that album, I'm guessing that the CEO is the one who put up all that money to get the album. Once he got locked up he probably sold the rights to somebody else and that's how the album got released in so many different forms under so many different titles.
2 - The album was overall great, but they only drew the singles from vol. 2 and with the exception of Nobody Does It Better there wasn't really much single material on that disc. Plus the other songs I'm referring to as singles were released only on limited promo pressings for the most part so they don't really count as singles. Me & My Homies would have been a decent single, they could've made the video into some sort of 2pac tribute. Remember how huge Changes was? They could've dropped Me & Homies right after that and capitalized off the success of Changes/2Pac's Greatest Hits album.
3 - The whole "Disc 1 Death Row material/Disc 2 newer stuff that disses Death Row in parts" was an awkward arrangement. Disc 1 by itself is a great R&B album but combined with Disc 2 the cohesiveness of the album was lost. It's not like an All Eyez On Me where you can go from Disc 1 to Disc 2 all the way through and it keeps your interest. Once you get to disc 2 that shit starts draaaaaggging on lol.
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^i disagree...i thought both discs were great and had their share of classics