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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Elano The One And Only on April 30, 2013, 06:42:46 AM
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Though Snoop Lion (then Snoop Dogg) and Tupac were known to be good friends, it turns out that Snoop's final time speaking to his friend was a less-than-friendly conversation.
"Last time I saw him, he was laying in the bed," recalled Snoop somberly in an interview with Sway Calloway. "Holding onto his last breath. I had seen him before that. We had just left New York. I had gotten off the radio station with Angie Martinez. That's when me and him clashed, because she asked me on the air, 'How do you feel about Puffy and Biggie?' And I said what I felt. 'They my homeboys. I love 'em.'"
After Tupac perceived that Snoop had betrayed him by siding with Puffy and the Notorious B.I.G., with whom Tupac was beefing, Snoop's interactions with Pac completely changed. "When I got back to the hotel, it was a whole 'nother atmosphere, like he sent his homeboy to get the bud from me as opposed to him coming to get it from me. ...So I felt funny... When I got on the plane to go to LA the next day, Suge didn't let none of my security ride with me. I had to ride on the plane with him, his homies, and Pac. And it was the most uncomfortable ride I had in my life, because my nigga didn't say nothin' to me the whole ride. That's a five-hour flight on a private plane."
At one point, Snoop actually feared for his life on the flight. "I walk up to him, maybe three hours into the flight, sit next to him like, 'Yo goin' to Vegas, cuz?' He turns [away from me], starts talkin' to somebody else. I'm like, alright, go in the back, put the blanket on my head, knife in my hand, fork in my hand, and just sleep the rest of the ride, because I feel like they finna try to do something."
"When we walk out...I'm like, 'Cuz, you goin' to Vegas?' He do me like [dismissive gesture]. He went his way, I went my way. Next time I get a call, niggas like, 'Turn on the news! Turn on the news!'"
Snoop's interview did have some positive moments, as the rapper discussed his gun buyback program, a partnership with MTV that focuses on purchasing guns to get them off of the street. "The movement is for us to buy guns off of the street so that we can rid these communities of all this gun violence. We feel like... it's just too much unnecessary violence going on. In Connecticut, it really touched my heart with those kids, man. It really touched me, man. I felt like I had to say something. I felt like, as a rapper, I've been given so much power and so much ability to control people's minds and control people's feelings. Why not put some positivity in they mind and walk away with that?"
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What did he expect? He's kissing puff and bigs ass on the radio and expects to get a junior g man badge?
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As much as I love 2Pac's music, he was such a negative force of energy towards the end of his life. Snoop had just got aquitted of murder and wssn't trying to get caught up in any trouble, especially when B.I.G. had nothing to say untowards to 'Pac.
It would have been interesting to see how how Death Row era Snoop + Dogg Pound would have handled this musically if 'Pac + Tha Outlawz turned on them, back then NO ONE was fucking with them. All they're songs until 1997 were untouchable. I guess the way Snoop explained the last time he saw 'Pac says a lot about why he kept a distance somewhat from everything after he died.
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How many times is Snoop gonna tell these stories? I remember him talkin' about this same shit years ago.
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Well at least his consistent. I'm sure people are too lazy to Google it and so they always ask Snoop the same questions. But every story has been consistent, so my only conclusion is that 'Pac died at the height of his rage and maybe that's the way it was suppose to happen. Someone who knew nothing about 'Pac's death wanted me to assure them that he died at peace with Dr. Dre, and I had to break it to them that he died even hating Snoop, who was his best friend in the industry. It's sad, but in his last months 'Pac was on the fast track to his untimely death. I have no doubts that time would have healed everything, and Snoop and 'Pac would have had a track by the end of the year. But maybe it was meant to go down the way it did, with 'Pac isolating everyone from his life.
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there is a good clip from the reincarnated movie where he speaks pretty honest on this stuff
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Well I'll give him credit for being honest. Def on some bitch shit the way he played 2pac in NY.
And it's disgusting how he's pushing the feds agenda on gun control. He should change his name to Snitch Lyin.
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Well, i would be pissed too if one of my best friends went and told the world he was cool with my enemies....
especially if i had just stood by his side and supported him through a murder trial
I dont think Pac was wrong to be mad at Snoop at all....its just a shame it was never resolved
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We were just talkin' about this in some other topic a few days ago. Were Pac and Snoop really that good friends? We'll never know.
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Both played it off like they were best friend before and during the Death Row run. I think at the end though, 'Pac's rage was just out of control that he wasn't thinking right. 'Pac was one some other level shit and he was acting crazy like he'd smoke too much strong weed. Weed can make you go one of two ways, one way is to be really relaxed and chill like Snoop, the other is to suffer through paranoia. 'Pac had some really bad paranoia. It's sad that the greatest rapper ever story ended the way it did.
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How many times is Snoop gonna tell these stories? I remember him talkin' about this same shit years ago.
What do you expect him to do? Sway asked him the question.
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Both played it off like they were best friend before and during the Death Row run. I think at the end though, 'Pac's rage was just out of control that he wasn't thinking right. 'Pac was one some other level shit and he was acting crazy like he'd smoke too much strong weed. Weed can make you go one of two ways, one way is to be really relaxed and chill like Snoop, the other is to suffer through paranoia. 'Pac had some really bad paranoia. It's sad that the greatest rapper ever story ended the way it did.
i think it had nothing to do with the weed & more about 2pac getting shot in N.Y. . 2pac never trusted anybody after he got shot in New York . Biggie was suppose to be a good friend of 2pacs & you seen what happen . so i would be paranoid too. plus 2pacs family were black panthers & paranoia come with being a part of that.
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I respect Snoop for being honest. Everybody lies and makes it seem like they were Pac's favorite person at his time of death. Like Nas with that ridiculous story about him approaching Pac ready to fight and Pac saying "nah were brothers...come with me to Vegas". Or Wyclef who's supposedly had pics with him and Pac that he's never bothered to mention or release for 17 years.
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Both played it off like they were best friend before and during the Death Row run. I think at the end though, 'Pac's rage was just out of control that he wasn't thinking right. 'Pac was one some other level shit and he was acting crazy like he'd smoke too much strong weed. Weed can make you go one of two ways, one way is to be really relaxed and chill like Snoop, the other is to suffer through paranoia. 'Pac had some really bad paranoia. It's sad that the greatest rapper ever story ended the way it did.
i think it had nothing to do with the weed & more about 2pac getting shot in N.Y. . 2pac never trusted anybody after he got shot in New York . Biggie was suppose to be a good friend of 2pacs & you seen what happen . so i would be paranoid too. plus 2pacs family were black panthers & paranoia come with being a part of that.
Both might have had something to do with it. Lots of studies prove weed causes paranoia, add getting shot and feeling like the world is against you is a very bad thing.
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Positive or not, Snoop still shouldn't have said that on the radio. He could've said that he personally didn't have problems with them but that he was down with Pac and would side with him. That could've gotten the same point across without sounding like he wasn't still cool with Pac or at least not flat-out in disagreement with him. You know Pac would side with Snoop if Snoop got into anything.
But like others have said, Snoop's side has at least been consistent, and I think the first time he told the story, he did admit that he figured Pac felt betrayed by what he said on the radio and at least understood why Pac acted the way he did.
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Snoop was cool with B.I.G. + 'Pac from around '93 (maybe earlier). They were all on the same stage in New York for Puffy's birthday. There are photos of B.I.G. + Snoop from what looks like Murder Was The Case times. 'Pac shouldn't have: A) Expected someone who just got off a murder charge to get into any trouble, B) Needed someone else to help fight everyone he had beef with especially when none of them wanted to say anything back.
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Snoop was cool with B.I.G. + 'Pac from around '93 (maybe earlier). They were all on the same stage in New York for Puffy's birthday. There are photos of B.I.G. + Snoop from what looks like Murder Was The Case times. 'Pac shouldn't have: A) Expected someone who just got off a murder charge to get into any trouble, B) Needed someone else to help fight everyone he had beef with especially when none of them wanted to say anything back.
Snoop dissed Biggie on the song "Keep it real dogg" in '95 and you'll notice Kurupt and Daz jumped in the beef before Pac even did because of their trailer getting shot up (which was thanks to Biggie crying on the radio)
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Snoop was cool with B.I.G. + 'Pac from around '93 (maybe earlier). They were all on the same stage in New York for Puffy's birthday. There are photos of B.I.G. + Snoop from what looks like Murder Was The Case times. 'Pac shouldn't have: A) Expected someone who just got off a murder charge to get into any trouble, B) Needed someone else to help fight everyone he had beef with especially when none of them wanted to say anything back.
I don't think he wanted Snoop to ride on em, but was pissed that he said he had love for them when Pac knew for a fact that they were basically complicit in him getting shot.
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Snoop was cool with B.I.G. + 'Pac from around '93 (maybe earlier). They were all on the same stage in New York for Puffy's birthday. There are photos of B.I.G. + Snoop from what looks like Murder Was The Case times. 'Pac shouldn't have: A) Expected someone who just got off a murder charge to get into any trouble, B) Needed someone else to help fight everyone he had beef with especially when none of them wanted to say anything back.
Snoop dissed Biggie on the song "Keep it real dogg" in '95 and you'll notice Kurupt and Daz jumped in the beef before Pac even did because of their trailer getting shot up (which was thanks to Biggie crying on the radio)
The Source Award show too, Snoop was riding hard. But steer the court case it just seemed Snoop didn't want no more drama.
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What did he expect? He's kissing puff and bigs ass on the radio and expects to get a junior g man badge?
REAL SPIT, SNOOP IS FAULTY FOR THAT 1
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Snoops the man with his 'buy guns back' idea.
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Snoops the man with his 'buy guns back' idea.
yeah it's a very original idea ::)
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Both played it off like they were best friend before and during the Death Row run. I think at the end though, 'Pac's rage was just out of control that he wasn't thinking right. 'Pac was one some other level shit and he was acting crazy like he'd smoke too much strong weed. Weed can make you go one of two ways, one way is to be really relaxed and chill like Snoop, the other is to suffer through paranoia. 'Pac had some really bad paranoia. It's sad that the greatest rapper ever story ended the way it did.
i think it had nothing to do with the weed & more about 2pac getting shot in N.Y. . 2pac never trusted anybody after he got shot in New York . Biggie was suppose to be a good friend of 2pacs & you seen what happen . so i would be paranoid too. plus 2pacs family were black panthers & paranoia come with being a part of that.
Biggie had nothing to do with the shooting though and that's a fact.
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Both played it off like they were best friend before and during the Death Row run. I think at the end though, 'Pac's rage was just out of control that he wasn't thinking right. 'Pac was one some other level shit and he was acting crazy like he'd smoke too much strong weed. Weed can make you go one of two ways, one way is to be really relaxed and chill like Snoop, the other is to suffer through paranoia. 'Pac had some really bad paranoia. It's sad that the greatest rapper ever story ended the way it did.
i think it had nothing to do with the weed & more about 2pac getting shot in N.Y. . 2pac never trusted anybody after he got shot in New York . Biggie was suppose to be a good friend of 2pacs & you seen what happen . so i would be paranoid too. plus 2pacs family were black panthers & paranoia come with being a part of that.
Biggie had nothing to do with the shooting though and that's a fact.
Bullcrap !That is not fact at all . It is your stupid opinion . there is no proof he did not do it . SO get off Biggies dick . Biggie was suppose to be king of New York & that means he knew about ! So come at with the bullcrap . Biggie was a bitter & backstapper. nothing you said was a fact.
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Well, there is a lot more to this story than just the Pac-Big aspect of it. According to people in Pac's camp, he and Snoop weren't seeing eye to eye for awhile but were trying to keep up appearances for the sake of the label. Frank Alexander had said there was noticeable issues behind Snoop not doing some live appearances and I recall in the XXL article on the making of "Makaveli" that one of the Outlawz had said he was taken aback by Pac giving a shout-out to Snoop on the intro to one of the songs (Toss It Up?) because him and Snoop were having issues with one another.
While Pac and Big's feud was the one most talked about as far as Bad Boy-Death Row and East vs. West was concerned, it could be argued that Suge and Puffy's issues were actually stronger. One of Suge's closest friends, Jake Robles, was murdered by an associate of Puffy's, over a disagreement at Jermaine Dupri's birthday party in Atlanta in 1995. Supposedly, the guy was also trying to kill Suge and a lot of the problems stemmed from that. Then, you also have the "New York, New York" video shooting.
I think Snoop and Pac were just different cats. Snoop was the more mellow guy while Pac was at the height of really being ready to go on anybody. I think he would have eventually cooled down on the beef shit but there was so much going on in his life that he really probably didn't have much proper perspective but who knows? Doing that interview probably didn't help Snoop's cause much though.
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Well, there is a lot more to this story than just the Pac-Big aspect of it. According to people in Pac's camp, he and Snoop weren't seeing eye to eye for awhile but were trying to keep up appearances for the sake of the label.
Jealous-ass prima donna bitches the both of them. But still professional enough to take care of business, so it's all good.
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Frank Alexander had said there was noticeable issues behind Snoop not doing some live appearances
That was regarding the performance where Pac was onstage with Ice-T. The story was that Snoop's dog had accidentally hung itself from its leash and it jumped over the balcony or something, and he was really depressed about it to the point where he didn't want to do anything, specifically go onstage and perform with Pac, which was the original plan. Pac was peeved by that and wondering how the death of a pet could get in the way of work.
I think Snoop and Pac were just different cats. Snoop was the more mellow guy while Pac was at the height of really being ready to go on anybody. I think he would have eventually cooled down on the beef shit but there was so much going on in his life that he really probably didn't have much proper perspective but who knows? Doing that interview probably didn't help Snoop's cause much though.
But Pac expected more. As much as you can't fault Snoop for not wanting to ride like that, you can't really fault Pac much either. Loyalty aside, look at the situation. They were all on Death Row Records, at that time the most feared record label not known for being soft and not pressing on people. At the same time, Snoop has always been a gangsta rapper and was still all about claiming Crip. We're talking about gangs, not some car club or activist movement. And it's not like he had a sit-down with Pac saying that he disagreed, he did it on what was essentially a public forum.
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what snoop did was whack, point blank.. it probably stemmed from earlier disagreements with pac, cuz if he was riding with pac 100%, he woulda never said that shit.
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I respect Snoop for being honest. Everybody lies and makes it seem like they were Pac's favorite person at his time of death. Like Nas with that ridiculous story about him approaching Pac ready to fight and Pac saying "nah were brothers...come with me to Vegas". Or Wyclef who's supposedly had pics with him and Pac that he's never bothered to mention or release for 17 years.
Agreed
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What did he expect? He's kissing puff and bigs ass on the radio and expects to get a junior g man badge?
REAL SPIT, SNOOP IS FAULTY FOR THAT 1
Word... On the one hand Snoop should of rode for his homeboy, for Death Row, and for the West Coast. By him not taking a strong stance, the shiny suits of the East ended up taking over after Pac died, and then the South came up and destroyed hip-hop.
But on the other hand I still love and respect Snoop, because I understand that he had just gone through a long trial for murder, been narrowly acquitted, and he felt it was time for him to start thinking about his kids and his future.
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What did he expect? He's kissing puff and bigs ass on the radio and expects to get a junior g man badge?
REAL SPIT, SNOOP IS FAULTY FOR THAT 1
Word... On the one hand Snoop should of rode for his homeboy, for Death Row, and for the West Coast. By him not taking a strong stance, the shiny suits of the East ended up taking over after Pac died, and then the South came up and destroyed hip-hop.
But on the other hand I still love and respect Snoop, because I understand that he had just gone through a long trial for murder, been narrowly acquitted, and he felt it was time for him to start thinking about his kids and his future.
yea, he was obviously confused..