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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Elano The One And Only on November 26, 2013, 03:05:08 AM
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What do you remember most about what went into making Doggystyle?
We were able to make sure [Snoop] didn't go to prison to make the album. We only had one song done, and then after that it was the [Philip Woldemariam] murder case and the trial. When we got ready to start the trial, $5 million had to be paid to a legal team. And at the time Snoop never sold no records. Jimmy [Iovine], Interscope, those guys were saying they're not going to participate in trying to help keep him out of prison, because they didn't think they were capable of doing it. Because of the simple fact that it was a murder case. If he would have got found guilty, he'd have died in prison. He'd have been there the rest of his life.
Did Snoop think he was going to go to jail?
Everybody thought he was going to go. A few times in court they asked him to stand up, and Snoop would actually get weak in the knees and fall back down. It was a lot of pressure. But it was still good to be able to come through and pull that off for him because it opened it up a bunch of doors and showed the world a different side of rap music.
One of the things about Doggystyle and The Chronic too, is that these albums incorporated music it sounded like you guys grew up listening to with your parents.
At that time, any time you got in my car, it was always old shit in my CD changer. Tupac would hop in my whips to go grab a broad or something. We'd be at the studio and he'd go grab the keys, hop in that mothafucka and drive and call back and be like "Hey, I'm in your car but why you don't got no good music?" It would be Al Green, Sam Cooke, Donny Hathaway. I'd give shit to everybody [and] because everybody heard it so much, everybody took took a liking to it, and adopted it. My family, that's all we grew up on was those oldies. So it wasn't nothing for people on the West Coast to take ideas or concepts from those old records and make them into hits. Even Snoop, his folks are from Mississippi also. People from the South, they was buying 45s and 33s, they was playing those albums… that was a big influence on every record on Death Row.
The album was highly anticipated. Was that something you could feel when you went in to make the record?
Shit, yeah, definitely. One thing about Snoop at those times, you could call him and say, "Let's go here, let's go there," and he's gonna show up ready to go. He was hungry, ready to eat, ready to work. More importantly, it was that I believed in him as an artist. The first day before Doggystyle was shipped or anything, I had 800 trucks, 18-wheelers… filled with nothing but posters, snipes and all kinds of stuff.
What do you remember about Doggystyle's production?
[It] was was pretty much luck. Everybody thought [Dr. Dre] would be doing the records, but Daz pretty much did the whole album. And at the end of the day, once Daz finished it, everybody wanted Andre to get the credit. Next thing I know Daz is having a meeting with Andre and them and came back and said, "It's okay, give me a few bucks and I'll sign anything over that says produced by Andre instead of me."
"Ain't No Fun"… one of the homies from The Swans [ed note: the Mad Swan Bloods, or MSB, are a Los Angeles subset of The Bloods street gang] named Pooh, all them dudes already had a record done. And they came and played it for us in the studio. They played us the demo. Everybody looked at it like it was alright. And then after they left, shit, everybody was chopping that same beat.
Doggystyle came out a year after the L.A. riots. Death Row was a black-owned business. What kind of statement did that make?
Death Row wasn't only a black-owned record label, Death Row was pretty much the only American-owned record label. Everything else was either Sony or some other thing. It became the blueprint for any label that's out, including the majors. I was the first person doing 360 degree deals with all the artists; the majors would tell the artists, "It's the worst piece of shit deal in the world, don't go for it." And now they're doing it.
In the aftermath of the riots, what was Los Angeles like for you?
Snoop was from the West Coast. We lived out here and we was black, even though it was dominated and ran by red and blue. People wanted to see people grow. The riots had a big role in this because they showed we could stand up and stick together and make a difference. People came together and built something and The Chronic. . . all the Death Row material, period, it was like the vibe of the struggle of success. Of saying that, shit, you don't have to water yourself down to be rich and successful. You don't have to lie and say you didn't come from Compton to be rich and successful. Just because you come from the ghetto don't mean you can't be a businessman and understand what you need to do.
Do you think Doggystyle solidified Death Row as a label?
When we put out The Chronic people felt there's no way in the world somebody can ever do an album and it come out that well. When The Chronic was out, even Snoop will tell you, if he came on the Interscope side, he didn't see Jimmy [Iovine] any of those guys call Snoop in the office, chop it up with him… because he wasn't the one. And then when Doggystyle came out, shit, he couldn't walk in there without them trying to give him some weed. People thought it couldn't get no better. But the Dogg Pound came in and done well. And then came Tupac. It wasn't Tupac because he was a new artist. Tupac was on Interscope the whole time. They couldn't break a record on him. They couldn't make him a superstar. But the minute I got Pac out of prison…
Snoop's shown you a lot of love recently, said many positive things. There was that photo of you guys at a club together last February. What's your relationship like with him?
My relationship with him is where it's supposed to be. It's respectful on both ends. I could never turn around and say I hate this mothafucka, because he's a part of my life and I'm a part of his life. There was times starting this business with Death Row that some people were scared to go out of town, scared to go to New York. I'd come grab him, we'd go straight to the airport, just me and him, no entourage, not one person with us. We'd get our room, we'd go hang out, we'd be everywhere. We would go there, post up, enjoy the city, respect the city, and that went so far. Therefore, I owe a lot of credit, and a lot of other people owe a lot of credit, because if Snoop's not gonna hit the road with me and hit all those spots, I couldn't have did it, because I'm the business man. I'm not the artist, I'm not the talent. And pretty much everyone else was scared to go.
Go on.
[Snoop] played a role and built a lot of things. Built the West and built hip-hop. I think the things that happen in any relationship in business when you both come from the ghetto, it's just [because of] the people that are your distributors. It might be a guy who's not black, but he's in the same business with you, and you're gonna have a relationship. And they can never have a relationship with Snoop the way I have a relationship with him because you out four o'clock in the morning in different states, different countries, different streets, through good and bad. And the next person, they can only offer you a check. If you're Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen, you can't say "[Snoop], you got the best deal in the world." You're gonna say, "You got the worst fucked up deal in the world and I can make it better for you." And that's what Russell and them did. Russell went to Snoop and flew him to New York and said, "I want to do a deal with you for Doggystyle."
So Russell Simmons tried to steal Snoop from you?
They figured if they could work it out with Snoop, they could work it out with Jimmy [Iovine], and where that leave me? So then that's when people turned around and said, "Oh, Death Row mothafuckas is some fucked up motherfuckas, and Suge Knight's an aggressive mothafucka." Because somebody had to put their foot so far up Russell's ass he thought he was in the hot tub with the guys he usually be with. [Laughs.] We had to go out there and literally smash them. If not, they'd take your shit. I still give Snoop the credit; he still sat down with Death Row and we made it happen. We all more mature now.
Any last thoughts on Doggystyle?
Snoop is an artist that is a great artist. So it's good to give him his props about how great Doggystyle was. What made Doggystyle historic is the work on it. If you look at the album cover, everybody sued us and said it was degrading women. But even the guys who did the artwork, who wrote songs, who participated in videos, they were guys who were either wearing red or wearing blue. . . and it was a situation where they all got along. We'd go places and you might see twenty blue rags and twenty red rags. And that was never before seen.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/suge-knight-reflects-on-doggystyle-20-years-later-20131125
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So now somebody else made the beat for "Ain't No Fun"? Damn. Yesterday it was Daz, according to Kurupt and some time ago it was Warren G. I think Suge is just givin' Dre shit just for the fuck of it. Sayin' that Daz made the whole "Doggystyle" album and even Daz ain't never said that himself. I think Suge really does hate Dr. Dre.
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So now somebody else made the beat for "Ain't No Fun"? Damn. Yesterday it was Daz, according to Kurupt and some time ago it was Warren G. I think Suge is just givin' Dre shit just for the fuck of it. Sayin' that Daz made the whole "Doggystyle" album and even Daz ain't never said that himself. I think Suge really does hate Dr. Dre.
Actually Daz & The Glove worked more than Dr Dre for DoggyStyle : drums, production, mixing...
But, yeah Warren G did "Ain't No Fun" as 213 song arranged for Snoop's album.
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None of us were there to see what happened, so we'll never know for sure who did what.
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So now somebody else made the beat for "Ain't No Fun"? Damn. Yesterday it was Daz, according to Kurupt and some time ago it was Warren G. I think Suge is just givin' Dre shit just for the fuck of it. Sayin' that Daz made the whole "Doggystyle" album and even Daz ain't never said that himself. I think Suge really does hate Dr. Dre.
sure seems so! but he can't claim HE did the work, if he was known to have any production skills, I'm sure he would say he did the whole album- & the whole DR catalogue with it too! & all by himself!
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So now somebody else made the beat for "Ain't No Fun"? Damn. Yesterday it was Daz, according to Kurupt and some time ago it was Warren G. I think Suge is just givin' Dre shit just for the fuck of it. Sayin' that Daz made the whole "Doggystyle" album and even Daz ain't never said that himself. I think Suge really does hate Dr. Dre.
sure seems so! but he can't claim HE did the work, if he was known to have any production skills, I'm sure he would say he did the whole album- & the whole DR catalogue with it too! & all by himself!
Oh by the way, no one has (yet) posted the Complex articles on the 20th anniversary of "Doggystyle?
You know where to find ALL the relevent links by now!
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Suge Knight gets nothing lying about it. He speaks the truth.
Everybody knows Dr Dre put his "touches" on tracks already completed.
Now how these "touches" influences on the final tracks, nobody can tell.
The Chronic was made by Warren G,Daz,RBX and THE Doc... final touches by Dr.Dre
Doggstyle was made by Warren G,and Daz ..final touches by Dr Dre.
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Doggstyle was made by Warren G,and Daz ..final touches by Dr Dre.
you really think that Daz, a nobody at the time, only 20 years, and Warren G, a few years his senior, would almost single handedly produce one of the best produced rap albums of all times ? it's not credible
at the end of the day, Dre is the reason doggystyle sounds so much polished. daz might have brought samples, done several beat structures, and picked up a few notes fucking around with the keyboards but I believe The Glove's involvement was way bigger than Daz's as he was a musician, producer and engineer with a solid experience.
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Doggstyle was made by Warren G,and Daz ..final touches by Dr Dre.
you really think that Daz, a nobody at the time, only 20 years, and Warren G, a few years his senior, would almost single handedly produce one of the best produced rap albums of all times ? it's not credible
at the end of the day, Dre is the reason doggystyle sounds so much polished. daz might have brought samples, done several beat structures, and picked up a few notes fucking around with the keyboards but I believe The Glove's involvement was way bigger than Daz's as he was a musician, producer and engineer with a solid experience.
Is what I'm trying to say!! Dr.Dre polished (great) the tracks on every album ( Doggstyle,Chronic,Chronic 2001).
But the structures already exists .
That's as a big difference on Dre tracks and DJ Quik tracks .
Dre polish
Quik structure from the beginning.
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^ Drums, Keyboards, beats, samples, production management, mixing... Of course Dr Dre didn't worked on everything. Chris Taylor always said he produced "Doggy Dogg World" because he finished the production. He also mixed part of the album. But, when we listen what Daz did with "Dogg Pound 4 Life", "Afro Puffs" or the whole Dogg Food album, we can understand that he had the skills. Anyway, Suge hates Dre, im not surprised that he give more credit for Daz although it's not him who produced DoggyStyle. Yeah, Dre and Quik are totally different ;)
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omg. some people JOCk dre like there is no tomorrow!
give it rest.
damn, i like him cuz he is west coast, and all that, but, jesus be another beat maker. DRE doesnt do it all. he damn sure takes the credit though.
also, and what does one being a nobody have to do with making beats? how do you know if he wasn't doing that shit in his spare time? crafting at his art? i mean, got damn. Suge may dislike Dre, but, shit, he aint got to lie. he does lie, but I don't think he is lying in regards to this.
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^ Drums, Keyboards, beats, samples, production management, mixing... Of course Dr Dre didn't worked on everything. Chris Taylor always said he produced "Doggy Dogg World" because he finished the production. He also mixed part of the album. But, when we listen what Daz did with "Dogg Pound 4 Life", "Afro Puffs" or the whole Dogg Food album, we can understand that he had the skills. Anyway, Suge hates Dre, im not surprised that he give more credit for Daz although it's not him who produced DoggyStyle. Yeah, Dre and Quik are totally different ;)
Man, perfect commentary !!! That's It .
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How is "Suge hates Dre" a valid excuse. He hates Daz too. If anything he's pulling puppet strings to see if he can make Daz move.
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omg. some people JOCk dre like there is no tomorrow!
give it rest.
damn, i like him cuz he is west coast, and all that, but, jesus be another beat maker. DRE doesnt do it all. he damn sure takes the credit though.
also, and what does one being a nobody have to do with making beats? how do you know if he wasn't doing that shit in his spare time? crafting at his art? i mean, got damn. Suge may dislike Dre, but, shit, he aint got to lie. he does lie, but I don't think he is lying in regards to this.
i'm not jocking dre, i prefer daz over dre, i don't even like dre that much. it's just some statements are ridiculous, like believing daz produced doggystyle. there's a diffrence between being dre's understudy and doing some beats dre later used and producing one of the best west coast albums at age 20 with no experience and no stripes in the game. dre on the other hand was already a seasoned producer with a slew of classics under his belt so best believe he was the main factor behind death row's early success. on the other hand, Daz learned how to work a drum machine in 1992 from warren g (and that's according to himself) so thinking he produced doggystyle entirely (or most of it) is preposterous. Dre & The Glove were the main factors behind doggystyle.
suge & daz aren't credible one bit in interviews, they always claim the most outlandish stuff. suge was soft in that one (excellent itw btw) but that dre comment just shows he's still the same.
daz has skills no doubt, but believing he produced doggystyle is a bit over the top.
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so, are you saying that because you have not "stripes" in the game...no songs in the game, that, you can't possibly come into the business producing tracks? that's like saying, because one never had a rap song in the business, they can't rap. lots of people i know are making beats as we speak, no
i don't know who produced what. but, to say someone can't because their new to the music biz...dosent sit well imo. .
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so, are you saying that because you have not "stripes" in the game...no songs in the game, that, you can't possibly come into the business producing tracks? that's like saying, because one never had a rap song in the business, they can't rap. lots of people i know are making beats as we speak, no
i don't know who produced what. but, to say someone can't because their new to the music biz...dosent sit well imo. .
not what i said at all, i didn't deny daz's involvement in the making of doggystyle, i just don't believe he was the driving factor nor the main creative factor. that's a feat i doubt young daz would have been capable to pull off back then. as i said he was an understudy so he was developing his craft and learning from the best, which may explain why in 94 and 95 he was dropping heat.
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How is "Suge hates Dre" a valid excuse. He hates Daz too. If anything he's pulling puppet strings to see if he can make Daz move.
After Dre left, he always been talkin' shit about him. He was the biggest producer in the world and he just said fuck it, he's tired of all the bullshit and he doesn't want nothin' to do with Suge Knight and Death Row anymore. You don't think that shit made Suge hate Dre? Suge is always talkin' shit about Dre when he gets a chance to.
How do you know if he hates Daz? He just squashed everything with Snoop, maybe he's cool with Daz now too.
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How is "Suge hates Dre" a valid excuse. He hates Daz too. If anything he's pulling puppet strings to see if he can make Daz move.
After Dre left, he always been talkin' shit about him. He was the biggest producer in the world and he just said fuck it, he's tired of all the bullshit and he doesn't want nothin' to do with Suge Knight and Death Row anymore. You don't think that shit made Suge hate Dre? Suge is always talkin' shit about Dre when he gets a chance to.
How do you know if he hates Daz? He just squashed everything with Snoop, maybe they cool too.
daz has never shown any sign of forgiveness towards Suge, i very much doubt they'll be cool again. and Daz has done way more against Suge than Snoop (hardcore disses, videos ridiculing him, stole reels, etc.) and I don't think Suge will ever forgive Daz for all that.
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You never know.
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what are the stages of producing a track?
like, Mr. Theo said quik structures from beginning to end what does that consist of?
Thks.
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How come people in hip-hop still dont know the difference between producing & beat making though? I'm sure Suge is playing on that, knowingly.
Not saying i know how it went down but a producer is like a director. He puts everything together, final touches, adds stuff/removes stuff - especially since Dre was a DJ & good at mixing so he knew sound well. Doesnt mean he made every beat, just like a director doesnt write every script or make every movie from scratch. Or you can say that a producer is like a coach for a all-star team.
Dre isnt the only one who has done that. Many of our favorites have done that or do that regularely. Quincy Jones technically didnt make the beats for Thriller, but he was the producer. Watch the making of that album on Youtube.
Only in hip-hop did that definition change. There is a difference between beat making & producing.
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are you talking to me?
if so, that is why i am asking do everyone is clear on what is what.
i want to know from the Quik aspect. cuz i could give a fuck about dre. i dont even fuck with his beats like that. never have.
i just wanted clarification on what mr. theo said about quik. im interested.
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How do you know if he hates Daz? He just squashed everything with Snoop, maybe he's cool with Daz now too.
Snoop is far more level-headed than Daz, who ran his mouth way more. And Suge not having any problems with Snoop anymore doesn't automatically squash all other beefs.
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Once these guys stop working with Dre they never make beats anywhere near as good as Dre
makes and this is why:
1. He lets them use his setup of whichever session musicians and equipment he is using.
2. He has extreme quality control and throws out shitty beats and even "just ok" beats.
3. He knows how to combine the best beats with the best chorus and the best verses.
4. He mixes everything perfectly and spends ages picking out the best "sounds".
To break that down further:
1. Session musicians and Dre's setup
Dre's method is generally to make a ton of beats in a certain style, with certain sessions musicians.
Every so often they will get lucky and one will be amazing... that one they keep adding stuff to, different verses,
etc. until it is incredible.
When they were working with Dre, guys like Daz, Warren G, etc. had access to the same session musicians he used.
Now that they don't have access to those musicians, they can't really make beats of that standard anymore
(Daz has said that in interviews several times, that not being in a big studio with musicians, means he can't make beats on that level).
To Dre, it doesn't really matter who makes the beat... the more people you have making beats using the setup he has,
the more chance you have of "getting lucky" and stumbling on one that is good enough to "polish" and finish up properly.
2. Quality control
So Daz, Warren G, etc. are just making loads of beats... some are good, some are ok, some will be shitty.
And those guys, if they are in charge, will put ALL those beats on an album, so you will get an album with a
mixture of quality, because it's almost like they can't tell which are the good ones.
Dre picks out the ones that are the best and keeps those and throws away the shitty ones and even
the "just ok" ones. The beats for the tracks "Doggystyle" and "Poor Young Dave" are decent beats, but
they're just not good enough for Dre to include on the album.
3. Combining the best elements
When you hear stuff like "Every Single Day" and other outtakes, we know that Dre is using bits and pieces
of the verses from other songs they did and putting them on the best beats... he's using only the best choruses and verses
on the best beats...
While the co-producers when they're on their own will usually use a dope beat but with a wack chorus, or a wack verse,
or will have a dope verse on a wack beat... again, that's why their stuff sounds weaker when they stop working with Dre.
4. Perfect mix and sounds
Dre's mixing makes a great song sound fantastic... and it's not just the mix, he goes back and replaces
an average snare with some perfectly sampled and mixed snare, and gets things replayed over until they are
the best quality. The beat his co-producers make is sometimes just a sampled loop... Dre will get the musicians
to replay all the parts in the sample and then spend hours mixing them so that it sounds huge.
So when someone says, "oh, so-and-so made that beat" all it really means was that when they were churning
out loads of beats under Dre's system, that co-producer just happened to randomly make one of the ones
that was good enough to be taken to the next stage of the process...
It's like they just happened to make a dope piece of fried chicken, but they were using Colonel Saunders' recipe.
They can say, "hey, I made this piece of chicken, not Colonel Saunders," but that doesn't mean they
get to have their face on the front of the restaurant.
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Once these guys stop working with Dre they never make beats anywhere near as good as Dre
makes and this is why:
1. He lets them use his setup of whichever session musicians and equipment he is using.
2. He has extreme quality control and throws out shitty beats and even "just ok" beats.
3. He knows how to combine the best beats with the best chorus and the best verses.
4. He mixes everything perfectly and spends ages picking out the best "sounds".
To break that down further:
1. Session musicians and Dre's setup
Dre's method is generally to make a ton of beats in a certain style, with certain sessions musicians.
Every so often they will get lucky and one will be amazing... that one they keep adding stuff to, different verses,
etc. until it is incredible.
When they were working with Dre, guys like Daz, Warren G, etc. had access to the same session musicians he used.
Now that they don't have access to those musicians, they can't really make beats of that standard anymore
(Daz has said that in interviews several times, that not being in a big studio with musicians, means he can't make beats on that level).
To Dre, it doesn't really matter who makes the beat... the more people you have making beats using the setup he has,
the more chance you have of "getting lucky" and stumbling on one that is good enough to "polish" and finish up properly.
2. Quality control
So Daz, Warren G, etc. are just making loads of beats... some are good, some are ok, some will be shitty.
And those guys, if they are in charge, will put ALL those beats on an album, so you will get an album with a
mixture of quality, because it's almost like they can't tell which are the good ones.
Dre picks out the ones that are the best and keeps those and throws away the shitty ones and even
the "just ok" ones. The beats for the tracks "Doggystyle" and "Poor Young Dave" are decent beats, but
they're just not good enough for Dre to include on the album.
3. Combining the best elements
When you hear stuff like "Every Single Day" and other outtakes, we know that Dre is using bits and pieces
of the verses from other songs they did and putting them on the best beats... he's using only the best choruses and verses
on the best beats...
While the co-producers when they're on their own will usually use a dope beat but with a wack chorus, or a wack verse,
or will have a dope verse on a wack beat... again, that's why their stuff sounds weaker when they stop working with Dre.
4. Perfect mix and sounds
Dre's mixing makes a great song sound fantastic... and it's not just the mix, he goes back and replaces
an average snare with some perfectly sampled and mixed snare, and gets things replayed over until they are
the best quality. The beat his co-producers make is sometimes just a sampled loop... Dre will get the musicians
to replay all the parts in the sample and then spend hours mixing them so that it sounds huge.
So when someone says, "oh, so-and-so made that beat" all it really means was that when they were churning
out loads of beats under Dre's system, that co-producer just happened to randomly make one of the ones
that was good enough to be taken to the next stage of the process...
It's like they just happened to make a dope piece of fried chicken, but they were using Colonel Saunders' recipe.
They can say, "hey, I made this piece of chicken, not Colonel Saunders," but that doesn't mean they
get to have their face on the front of the restaurant.
Finally, someone that gets it.
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Look this mf coming in "finally someone gets it" shut up. All bent outta shape. You shoulda just contributed instead of sitting back waiting. Sounds like maybe u didnt know shit. Or, maybe you're like dre,, let someone else do it all then come in like, yea, i did that.
Thanks UCC. Hmm, that just sounds like someone who can't make a beat but can just add a dash of this and that.
But, this is only my opinion. Not trying to argue.
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MTV did a story on this also.... they mention the 2006 Dubcnn Snoop interview 8)
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1718171/suge-knight-snoop-dogg-doggystyle-producer-claims.jhtml
This isn't the first time that Dre's musical output on Doggystyle has come into question. In 2006, Snoop acknowledged that Daz and Dre's cousin made the beats for Doggystyle, but argued that producing a record means more than just making the beats.
"They didn't deserve the credit back then because they didn't do the work. They made beats, Dre produced that record," Snoop said in an interview with DubCNN.com. "I can make a beat, but I can't produce! I can make a beat, but I can't tell a n---a what to rap about, can I tell him when to come with the hook? Can you break the beat down? That's what producing is."
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Idg it. It just sounds like to me, if you make the beat what's so got damn hard about producing it?
I'm like ???
Man. Then Mfs should def know quik shits on dre!
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I still find it amazing hearing Snoop praise coming from Suges mouth. The shaking at the kness comment i thought "here we go" but was surprised to hear some of that.
Even though they made peace a while ago.
has Dre ever been questioned about his production in an interview before?
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lol@daz produced doggystyle
daz had his share of input, but to say he produced it is pretty hilarious
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Idg it. It just sounds like to me, if you make the beat what's so got damn hard about producing it?
The beat is only a small portion of the production. That's kind of akin to asking what's so hard about directing a movie if you have a DP to direct the visuals, a writer to do the script, an AD to position everything, and actors to act. And what's so hard about being a lawyer when you have all these legal secretaries to do the research and prepare your notes? What's so hard about being a coach when you have offensive and defensive coordinators helping you with the plays and players physically running them?
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Listen. I like to keep it simple.
Dre, isn't, quik is. I know this is about daz and dre..but, to simplify, this..dre isn't and quik is.
To be honest..I shouldn't be in this thread. Cuz I don't get the dre hype. Never have, never will. And, we would go back n forth and so on and so on debating each others opinion.
And movies, that's entirely different.
You guys gave your thread I seem somethig far more interesting by tha kid2012.
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Listen. I like to keep it simple.
Dre, isn't, quik is. I know this is about daz and dre..but, to simplify, this..dre isn't and quik is.
To be honest..I shouldn't be in this thread. Cuz I don't get the dre hype. Never have, never will. And, we would go back n forth and so on and so on debating each others opinion.
And movies, that's entirely different.
You guys gave your thread I seem somethig far more interesting by tha kid2012.
What don't you understand? Dr. Dre is a perfectionist, he takes something and makes it a masterpiece. Keep Daz and Quik out of it. They had a few hits, but nothing like Dr. Dre. The Chronic/Chronic 2001, Doggystyle, are all SOLID albums because of Dre.
And it is like movies. A lot of the time the actors tell the director "why don't we do this/that" and he does. So do the actors get credit? No. The director and producers take what they want and put it together with their final touches.
Simple as that.
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When I did I say I dont understand. I'm saying something that's apparently flying over your head. And you feel the same.
Ill fucking bring quik in it. And this is about daz as well. If u even read that that's what they are discussing?
But, sure. Ok. Whatever u say.
Maybe he wouldn't be as hyped of he wasn't taking up the ass by the corporates. They push in..and it "appears" he gives out.
And a little birdie told me something. But, it's all to the good. Nugga!
Tomato tamatoe.
Cherrio.
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When I did I say I dont understand. I'm saying something that's apparently flying over your head. And you feel the same.
Ill fucking bring quik in it. And this is about daz as well. If u even read that that's what they are discussing?
But, sure. Ok. Whatever u say.
Maybe he wouldn't be as hyped of he wasn't taking up the ass by the corporates. They push in..and it "appears" he gives out.
And a little birdie told me something. But, it's all to the good. Nugga!
Tomato tamatoe.
Cherrio.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just saying Dr. Dre will take things to the next level, and an album that plays through all tracks fitting together. Listen to Daz's and Quik's stuff. There are a lot of tracks that don't fit in, or just don't sound right. It takes a person like Dre to coach the guys to make things flawless. Dre will have artists doing 30 takes on one song. Shit like that takes a special person. Like someone giving him a soup broth, and he adds all the spices.
After All Eyes on Me, when Dre left, Deathrow wasn't the same. Snoop's second album was a let down. Snoop even said Dre helped him with That's That with R Kelly. Took it and mixed it up to a totally different record.
You might not like Dre, but he's gifted and probably not putting out Detox because he is waiting for the right sound. He won't just put out the 400+ tracks in his vault. I wish he would, but that's just him.
I like Daz and Quik as well. But I can't listen to a full album from them. I just mix a bunch of tracks on my MP3.
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That's better. Your approach. Sound like u were.
Soooo, Um, yea.
I'm counting my paper right now.
But, at the same time.. I can't listen to a full dre album front to back soooo, I mean, where r we going with this?
I'm done. I don't like to debate too much. Especially when I can't be persuaded.
So, it is what it my nig.
I chilling to some music that tha kid2012 blessed me with, counting collard greens.
Ttyl.
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That's better. Your approach. Sound like u were.
Soooo, Um, yea.
I'm counting my paper right now.
But, at the same time.. I can't listen to a full dre album front to back soooo, I mean, where r we going with this?
I'm done. I don't like to debate too much. Especially when I can't be persuaded.
So, it is what it my nig.
I chilling to some music that tha kid2012 blessed me with, counting collard greens.
Ttyl.
You have every right to express your opinion and I respect that. If you bump Quik, Daz, Dre, whatever, that's the nice thing about all the different tracks. It's like hanging out with 6 of your homies and everyone wanting to put there jams on. Fighting over the radio and shit.
I was just putting my 2 cents in, and hopefully you respect that. Not trying to change your thinking. This thread is fucked up because Suge lies, Snoop lies, Daz lies, so who the fuck knows what these guys did. Dre kept quiet because he doesn't want to debate like we are :)
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Well to be honest, not trying to be funny, but, at the end of the day, I don't give fuck about what anyone thinks.
I don't know why dre keeps quiet. I don't know him. I can't speak on that. But I can speak on what suge said since he said it. Like everyone else in this thread.
Yea of course u were not trying to change my mind. That won't happen. I've felt the way I feel about see since forever.
U dont have add smiley. I don't get upset or flinch or take to heart. U ain't gotta smile cuz u didnt upset me. Nothing on here upsets me. Shit, as I type on me I usually lol'n and laughing.
I know a lot of y'all be serious as hell on this site and that's cool.
I stand firm on mine so, its nothing.
But you don't ever have to tell me to not mention something or someone in a thread that they r being talked about (my daddy is dead) by other people and then say you're not trying to be on some bs cuz u singled ME out and so I knew it was on some cute shit. It's cute. All this shit cute.
At this point, honestly, u can have the last word.
I mean, lol, this is serious shit to y'all.
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Look this mf coming in "finally someone gets it" shut up. All bent outta shape. You shoulda just contributed instead of sitting back waiting. Sounds like maybe u didnt know shit. Or, maybe you're like dre,, let someone else do it all then come in like, yea, i did that.
Thanks UCC. Hmm, that just sounds like someone who can't make a beat but can just add a dash of this and that.
But, this is only my opinion. Not trying to argue.
Bitch shut me up. Who the fuck is you to tell me to shut up? I said what I said because I felt homeboy's post was right on point instead of ridin DJ Quik's dick like you do in every post. Just because you want the nigga's dick in ya mouth doesn't mean he's the greatest. The nigga is dope & all & I'm a big fan but damn let his dick breath a lil bit. We don't care that you have a crush on the man. This thread was about Suge, Snoop, Dre, & Daz but you somehow (like you do in every thread you participate in) make this about Quik & got the nerve to call yourself talkin shit to me kuz I agreed with homeboy. I agree because unlike most of y'all on here, he actually talks like he has a clue what goes on behind the boards. Your hero DJ Quik himself has said Dre is the greatest so how stupid do you look defending him? Everybody that say Dre didn't do this & didn't do that all are disgruntled ex associates that he don't fuck with & everyone else in the industry that has actually been in the studio with him can't stop talkin about how great he is. You see a pattern there? You act like Suge Knight's words os gold all of a sudden. Go back in check how many interviews before this where he sayin the most outrageous bullshit. You think he changed all of a sudden? Knock it off. He even had the dvd with them nigga's taking shots at your hero DJ Quik. Daz himself ain't never said he produced all of Doggystyle in fact I only heard him take credit for Ain't No Fun. & you talkin about Quik does it all from scratch on his own, if you would take his dick out ya eye & read some album credits you will see Robert Bacon & G1 are just as responsible for his sound that you love so much. I'm done...
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Look this mf coming in "finally someone gets it" shut up. All bent outta shape. You shoulda just contributed instead of sitting back waiting. Sounds like maybe u didnt know shit. Or, maybe you're like dre,, let someone else do it all then come in like, yea, i did that.
Thanks UCC. Hmm, that just sounds like someone who can't make a beat but can just add a dash of this and that.
But, this is only my opinion. Not trying to argue.
Bitch shut me up. Who the fuck is you to tell me to shut up? I said what I said because I felt homeboy's post was right on point instead of ridin DJ Quik's dick like you do in every post. Just because you want the nigga's dick in ya mouth doesn't mean he's the greatest. The nigga is dope & all & I'm a big fan but damn let his dick breath a lil bit. We don't care that you have a crush on the man. This thread was about Suge, Snoop, Dre, & Daz but you somehow (like you do in every thread you participate in) make this about Quik & got the nerve to call yourself talkin shit to me kuz I agreed with homeboy. I agree because unlike most of y'all on here, he actually talks like he has a clue what goes on behind the boards. Your hero DJ Quik himself has said Dre is the greatest so how stupid do you look defending him? Everybody that say Dre didn't do this & didn't do that all are disgruntled ex associates that he don't fuck with & everyone else in the industry that has actually been in the studio with him can't stop talkin about how great he is. You see a pattern there? You act like Suge Knight's words os gold all of a sudden. Go back in check how many interviews before this where he sayin the most outrageous bullshit. You think he changed all of a sudden? Knock it off. He even had the dvd with them nigga's taking shots at your hero DJ Quik. Daz himself ain't never said he produced all of Doggystyle in fact I only heard him take credit for Ain't No Fun. & you talkin about Quik does it all from scratch on his own, if you would take his dick out ya eye & read some album credits you will see Robert Bacon & G1 are just as responsible for his sound that you love so much. I'm done...
If Robert Bacon and G1 are the responsible for DJ Quik tracks.. so let's get a list of responsible for Dr Dre hits..
It's so big that I'm not even gonna post here.
This commentary make no sense coming from a Dre fan .
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Look this mf coming in "finally someone gets it" shut up. All bent outta shape. You shoulda just contributed instead of sitting back waiting. Sounds like maybe u didnt know shit. Or, maybe you're like dre,, let someone else do it all then come in like, yea, i did that.
Thanks UCC. Hmm, that just sounds like someone who can't make a beat but can just add a dash of this and that.
But, this is only my opinion. Not trying to argue.
Bitch shut me up. Who the fuck is you to tell me to shut up? I said what I said because I felt homeboy's post was right on point instead of ridin DJ Quik's dick like you do in every post. Just because you want the nigga's dick in ya mouth doesn't mean he's the greatest. The nigga is dope & all & I'm a big fan but damn let his dick breath a lil bit. We don't care that you have a crush on the man. This thread was about Suge, Snoop, Dre, & Daz but you somehow (like you do in every thread you participate in) make this about Quik & got the nerve to call yourself talkin shit to me kuz I agreed with homeboy. I agree because unlike most of y'all on here, he actually talks like he has a clue what goes on behind the boards. Your hero DJ Quik himself has said Dre is the greatest so how stupid do you look defending him? Everybody that say Dre didn't do this & didn't do that all are disgruntled ex associates that he don't fuck with & everyone else in the industry that has actually been in the studio with him can't stop talkin about how great he is. You see a pattern there? You act like Suge Knight's words os gold all of a sudden. Go back in check how many interviews before this where he sayin the most outrageous bullshit. You think he changed all of a sudden? Knock it off. He even had the dvd with them nigga's taking shots at your hero DJ Quik. Daz himself ain't never said he produced all of Doggystyle in fact I only heard him take credit for Ain't No Fun. & you talkin about Quik does it all from scratch on his own, if you would take his dick out ya eye & read some album credits you will see Robert Bacon & G1 are just as responsible for his sound that you love so much. I'm done...
If Robert Bacon and G1 are the responsible for DJ Quik tracks.. so let's get a list of responsible for Dr Dre hits..
It's so big that I'm not even gonna post here.
This commentary make no sense coming from a Dre fan .
If you gonna quote me hommie, quote me right. I said JUST as responsible for the sound, not responsible (that make it sound like it's all them). Not too long ago Quik posted a picture him & Rob Bacon on twitter saying "the nucleus of the DJ Quik sound" & on the liner notes of Safe & Sound he thanks G1 saying "I would've put out a wack ass album if it wasn't for you" & this is coming straight from the man's mouth so I ain't makin the shit up. As much as you stan Quik on here I though you would know that. & I don't say that to discredit Quik's work kuz the nigga is amazing I'm just saying that to show the broad that started talkin shit to me on here for no reason that like Dre, her hero Quik also has people involved (as most great producers do) in a lot of those hits & not "all by him self" like she tends to think.
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you mad? you sound mad. ;D
u did shut up. i said that yesterday. you seen it then too.
i dont ride his dick. but, you sure do pay attn. thks baby. i love the kids.
lmao. ;D
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Look this mf coming in "finally someone gets it" shut up. All bent outta shape. You shoulda just contributed instead of sitting back waiting. Sounds like maybe u didnt know shit. Or, maybe you're like dre,, let someone else do it all then come in like, yea, i did that.
Thanks UCC. Hmm, that just sounds like someone who can't make a beat but can just add a dash of this and that.
But, this is only my opinion. Not trying to argue.
Bitch shut me up. Who the fuck is you to tell me to shut up? I said what I said because I felt homeboy's post was right on point instead of ridin DJ Quik's dick like you do in every post. Just because you want the nigga's dick in ya mouth doesn't mean he's the greatest. The nigga is dope & all & I'm a big fan but damn let his dick breath a lil bit. We don't care that you have a crush on the man. This thread was about Suge, Snoop, Dre, & Daz but you somehow (like you do in every thread you participate in) make this about Quik & got the nerve to call yourself talkin shit to me kuz I agreed with homeboy. I agree because unlike most of y'all on here, he actually talks like he has a clue what goes on behind the boards. Your hero DJ Quik himself has said Dre is the greatest so how stupid do you look defending him? Everybody that say Dre didn't do this & didn't do that all are disgruntled ex associates that he don't fuck with & everyone else in the industry that has actually been in the studio with him can't stop talkin about how great he is. You see a pattern there? You act like Suge Knight's words os gold all of a sudden. Go back in check how many interviews before this where he sayin the most outrageous bullshit. You think he changed all of a sudden? Knock it off. He even had the dvd with them nigga's taking shots at your hero DJ Quik. Daz himself ain't never said he produced all of Doggystyle in fact I only heard him take credit for Ain't No Fun. & you talkin about Quik does it all from scratch on his own, if you would take his dick out ya eye & read some album credits you will see Robert Bacon & G1 are just as responsible for his sound that you love so much. I'm done...
If Robert Bacon and G1 are the responsible for DJ Quik tracks.. so let's get a list of responsible for Dr Dre hits..
It's so big that I'm not even gonna post here.
This commentary make no sense coming from a Dre fan .
If you gonna quote me hommie, quote me right. I said JUST as responsible for the sound, not responsible (that make it sound like it's all them). Not too long ago Quik posted a picture him & Rob Bacon on twitter saying "the nucleus of the DJ Quik sound" & on the liner notes of Safe & Sound he thanks G1 saying "I would've put out a wack ass album if it wasn't for you" & this is coming straight from the man's mouth so I ain't makin the shit up. As much as you stan Quik on here I though you would know that. & I don't say that to discredit Quik's work kuz the nigga is amazing I'm just saying that to show the broad that started talkin shit to me on here for no reason that like Dre, her hero Quik also has people involved (as most great producers do) in a lot of those hits & not "all by him self" like she tends to think.
OK homie, now I understood your point of view
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damn. so funny how quik just shits on dre.
stay pressed. idgaf. if that means i got a dick in my eye. then theres a dick in my eye.
;D bwhahahaha. lmao. i wonder why they call me bitch.
you sure did put me in my place. salute.
he responding to you and still mentioning me. ;D
pacoima.
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doublee313 and jman know what they talkin bout
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And movies, that's entirely different.
I respectfully disagree. At a miulti-million-dollar studio level, I think similarities are too strong to ignore.
Regarding beats, production doesn't stop at the instrumental. I think it's sad how so many people seem to think otherwise. I respect that at least great producers like Quik and Dr. Dre understand that difference, even if a lot of their fans don't. I actually applaud Quik for attempting to educate people on this even if so many didn't pay attention.
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doublee313 and jman know what they talkin bout
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Personally I always felt that it was more impressive to come up with the beat/melody/drum pattern than to add the finishing touches to a instrumental already made. Dre, however definitely is great at what he do because sonically his music was on another level compared to everyone else at the time.
Dre made a cassette tape sound cd quality.
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Personally I always felt that it was more impressive to come up with the beat/melody/drum pattern than to add the finishing touches to a instrumental already made. Dre, however definitely is great at what he do because sonically his music was on another level compared to everyone else at the time.
Dre made a cassette tape sound cd quality.
thats because u dont understand how much harder the latter actually is...comin up wit a drum-loop, melody, beat pattern is easy as fuck. i can do that right now off-top, comin up wit new classic melodies in my head daily. the hard part is havin it come to fruition.
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Say what you want about Dre but he takes other peoples musical skeletons and puts some mighty fine auditory meat on their bones to create a captivating end product.
I just wish he would do it a bit sooner.
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Once these guys stop working with Dre they never make beats anywhere near as good as Dre
makes and this is why:
1. He lets them use his setup of whichever session musicians and equipment he is using.
2. He has extreme quality control and throws out shitty beats and even "just ok" beats.
3. He knows how to combine the best beats with the best chorus and the best verses.
4. He mixes everything perfectly and spends ages picking out the best "sounds".
To break that down further:
1. Session musicians and Dre's setup
Dre's method is generally to make a ton of beats in a certain style, with certain sessions musicians.
Every so often they will get lucky and one will be amazing... that one they keep adding stuff to, different verses,
etc. until it is incredible.
When they were working with Dre, guys like Daz, Warren G, etc. had access to the same session musicians he used.
Now that they don't have access to those musicians, they can't really make beats of that standard anymore
(Daz has said that in interviews several times, that not being in a big studio with musicians, means he can't make beats on that level).
To Dre, it doesn't really matter who makes the beat... the more people you have making beats using the setup he has,
the more chance you have of "getting lucky" and stumbling on one that is good enough to "polish" and finish up properly.
2. Quality control
So Daz, Warren G, etc. are just making loads of beats... some are good, some are ok, some will be shitty.
And those guys, if they are in charge, will put ALL those beats on an album, so you will get an album with a
mixture of quality, because it's almost like they can't tell which are the good ones.
Dre picks out the ones that are the best and keeps those and throws away the shitty ones and even
the "just ok" ones. The beats for the tracks "Doggystyle" and "Poor Young Dave" are decent beats, but
they're just not good enough for Dre to include on the album.
3. Combining the best elements
When you hear stuff like "Every Single Day" and other outtakes, we know that Dre is using bits and pieces
of the verses from other songs they did and putting them on the best beats... he's using only the best choruses and verses
on the best beats...
While the co-producers when they're on their own will usually use a dope beat but with a wack chorus, or a wack verse,
or will have a dope verse on a wack beat... again, that's why their stuff sounds weaker when they stop working with Dre.
4. Perfect mix and sounds
Dre's mixing makes a great song sound fantastic... and it's not just the mix, he goes back and replaces
an average snare with some perfectly sampled and mixed snare, and gets things replayed over until they are
the best quality. The beat his co-producers make is sometimes just a sampled loop... Dre will get the musicians
to replay all the parts in the sample and then spend hours mixing them so that it sounds huge.
So when someone says, "oh, so-and-so made that beat" all it really means was that when they were churning
out loads of beats under Dre's system, that co-producer just happened to randomly make one of the ones
that was good enough to be taken to the next stage of the process...
It's like they just happened to make a dope piece of fried chicken, but they were using Colonel Saunders' recipe.
They can say, "hey, I made this piece of chicken, not Colonel Saunders," but that doesn't mean they
get to have their face on the front of the restaurant.
Spot on. I've been an amateur producer for 25 years and have been trying to tell people this for ages about Dr.Dre. I can put together a solid hip-hop beat in 20 minutes easy and I'm a far better musician than Dr.Dre will ever be, but I can NOT make it sound like a Dr.Dre record. It is all in the detail. The man is a genius behind a mixing desk and probably the biggest perfectionist in the business according to pretty much everybody who has ever worked with him.