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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on December 19, 2013, 07:17:18 PM
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Death Row was in a tailspin after 2pac died. Even though Dre had left and had kind of came up short with his first couple Aftermath projects, Snoop went into a sophmore slump with tha Doggfather, Kurupt fell in love with Foxxy and was losing his hunger, of course Suge was in jail, a lot of shit being mishandled...
...but that said, Daz was the one person at Death Row who was still left standing after all the chips fell. The Gridlocked project was dope and he really brought some heat with a solo cut "Don't Try To Play Me Homie". The beat was actually pretty simple and not as stellar as all of Daz other production at the time, but he comes hard as fuck on that track. He's dissin somebody on that cut, not really sure who, maybe SwoopG or somebody of that status...
Gridlocked wasn't that bad on the whole. I thought Gang Related was kind of a sloppy project, but Gridlocked was much better. Here's some highlights from Gridlocked...
-Nate had a banger on there with "Why", some say it was a Pac dedication.
-Danny Boy had a nice little love song with "I Can't Get Enough".
-One of Rage's better tracks is on there.
-They fucked up and put the wack version of "Lady Heroin" on there, there is a different version out there that is a real quality track.
-"Never Had A Friend Like Me" is a dope 2pac joint. When the album dropped I was 14 and thought the song was a metaphor for cigarettes, lol.. some say the track is about Suge. Suge went to Pac when he was in jail and basically said the words Pac spits in the chorus.
-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said.
-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew.
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2 Dope soundtracks, Gang Related is more dark, melancholic. Way Too Major was a fuckin bomb, Daz did agreat job. But for me Gridlock'd is much better - Wanted Dead or Alive and Rages songs killed everything.
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2 Dope soundtracks, Gang Related is more dark, melancholic. Way Too Major was a fuckin bomb, Daz did agreat job. But for me Gridlock'd is much better - Wanted Dead or Alive and Rages songs killed everything.
Exactly, "Way Too Major" was the fuckin bomb.. Daz was on fire at the time and him and Tray Dee make a great team. Also 2pac and the Outlawz joint on Gang Related is one of the hardest and best 2pac/Outlawz songs, nice video as well. But after that I really thought the Gridlocked album had a lot of filler. I mean why the double album? It wasn't really appropriate and it was like the first Death Row album to not go platinum.
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Some songs that were supposed to appear on there ended up on Gang Related anyway. Never Had a friend like me was incomplete and 2Pac had too much creative control on that one. It could have been better
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Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:
01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang
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Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
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I like Gang Related more
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According to DR producer Kurt Kobane, 2Pac wrote "Never Had A Friend Like" after Suge save his life when 2Pac was parasailling. 2Pac didn't know how to swim and Suge jumped out the boat for save him (2Pac ws unconscious).
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Exactly, "Way Too Major" was the fuckin bomb.. Daz was on fire at the time and him and Tray Dee make a great team. Also 2pac and the Outlawz joint on Gang Related is one of the hardest and best 2pac/Outlawz songs, nice video as well. But after that I really thought the Gridlocked album had a lot of filler. I mean why the double album? It wasn't really appropriate and it was like the first Death Row album to not go platinum.
it went 2x platinun..1 million copies since it was a double album
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I like Gang Related more
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Gridlock'd only went gold, Gang Related went platinum. I think the poster got them mixed up a bit.
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Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:
01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang
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If Tenkamenin never done an outro to that song, you would have never seen "Tha Realest". I can remember back then everyone thinking it was 2Pac on the outro
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True, everybody was confused about Tenkamenin back then. But you also had "Freeīem all" where you can hear the difference.
And donīt forget Y.G.D on the bonus cut. :whistle:
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Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets
-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said.
-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew.
did snoop and pac record the song togethr or was snoop added on it later?
out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?
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Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets
No. Bad Azz talked about their little beef in his interview with DubCNN though.
out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?
He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.
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Gang Related For Sure!Timeless
I Thought Daz Was Dissin Dre In "Donīt Try 2 Play Me Homie"?
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According to DR producer Kurt Kobane, 2Pac wrote "Never Had A Friend Like" after Suge save his life when 2Pac was parasailling. 2Pac didn't know how to swim and Suge jumped out the boat for save him (2Pac ws unconscious).
I Didn't know this story.
Wow.
The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.
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I like Gang Related more
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Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets
-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said.
-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew.
did snoop and pac record the song togethr or was snoop added on it later?
pac said ''come on snoop dogg time to bone''.
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Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:
01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang
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If Tenkamenin never done an outro to that song, you would have never seen "Tha Realest". I can remember back then everyone thinking it was 2Pac on the outro
that joint was fire sans the realest.
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Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets
-The Snoop and Pac joint was a little bit subpar but it was still Snoop and Pac, nough said.
-"Out The Moon" is an excellent posse cut, Tray Dee really shines, and interesting to see Pac get down with Snoop's crew.
did snoop and pac record the song togethr or was snoop added on it later?
pac said ''come on snoop dogg time to bone''.
Someone from DR said in an interview that Pac gave snoop his verses for the song
but snoop didn't finish the song before Pac's death
Daz was talkin' about Swoop G on "Don't Try To Play Me Homey".
i thought it was bad azz...thats why bad azz nevr had daz on word on the streets
actually Daz had a small cameo appearence on "I Ain't Concerned"
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According to DR producer Kurt Kobane, 2Pac wrote "Never Had A Friend Like" after Suge save his life when 2Pac was parasailling. 2Pac didn't know how to swim and Suge jumped out the boat for save him (2Pac ws unconscious).
I Didn't know this story.
Wow.
The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.
According to Hussein Fatal - it was Gina Longo, who saved both 'Pac and Suge that day :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGKPPxtWUA
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2 Dope soundtracks, Gang Related is more dark, melancholic. Way Too Major was a fuckin bomb, Daz did agreat job. But for me Gridlock'd is much better - Wanted Dead or Alive and Rages songs killed everything.
Exactly, "Way Too Major" was the fuckin bomb.. Daz was on fire at the time and him and Tray Dee make a great team. Also 2pac and the Outlawz joint on Gang Related is one of the hardest and best 2pac/Outlawz songs, nice video as well. But after that I really thought the Gridlocked album had a lot of filler. I mean why the double album? It wasn't really appropriate and it was like the first Death Row album to not go platinum.
Gang Related was a double CD. Gridlocked was a single CD. I think you got them mixed up.
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out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?
He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.
Suge always wanted his people represented. According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette. Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.
In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it. Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.
I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse. The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:
"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]
My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.
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Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:
01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang
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Good work.. yeah that would've been much more like Death Row. Gang Related was like the first Death Row album that I felt had filler
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Gridlock'd only went gold, Gang Related went platinum. I think the poster got them mixed up a bit.
No, I didn't get them mixed up, that was just want I remembered from back in the day. Id be surprised if Gang Rleated sold more considering it didn't have any single that received much play on MTV. Snoop and Pacs joint from Gridlocked got some decent play on MTV back in the day
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Gang Related For Sure!Timeless
I Thought Daz Was Dissin Dre In "Donīt Try 2 Play Me Homie"?
Come on homie, I think its pretty clear he's spittin about one of the lil homies, one of the hangers on.. he even talks about how he linked them in and then they turned their back on Daz.
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out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?
He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.
Suge always wanted his people represented. According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette. Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.
In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it. Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.
I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse. The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:
"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]
My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.
Excellent points all around on this. Never occurred to me for some reason. "Out the Moon" is not a good example of it, but Pac was the best at replacing explicit lyrics with clean ones for the radio. Nowadays rappers don't even bother so there's all kinds of awkward gaps.
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I Didn't know this story.
Wow.
The theory of that Suge Knight paid someone to kill Tupac is totally bullshit.
Yeah I hate when people try to lie on Suge and say he had somethin to do with Pac dying. Suge loved 2pac, that was his best friend. Suge has stayed down for Pac all these years and just like the song says Pacs enemies are still Suges enemies to this day. In fact, Suge beat someones ass just for saying he had pac killed the video is on youtube
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Gridlock'd only went gold, Gang Related went platinum. I think the poster got them mixed up a bit.
No, I didn't get them mixed up, that was just want I remembered from back in the day. Id be surprised if Gang Rleated sold more considering it didn't have any single that received much play on MTV. Snoop and Pacs joint from Gridlocked got some decent play on MTV back in the day
Gang Related is the double album though. Every copy it sells counts as two so it only has to sell half as much for it to get the same plaque status.
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My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.
good observation, they also released "Regulate" clean version instead of the dirty one
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Tough choice i like em both. i agree though, if gang related was a single disc it would have been a really great album but iam not complaing that it was a double cd.
Gridlock'd probably had more classic tracks on there.
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My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.
good observation, they also released "Regulate" clean version instead of the dirty one
That's how they wanted to release it. Would be dope to have the dirty version in CDQ though.
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out the moon - wasnt pacs verse added from anothr song?
He wasn't on the original version. Not sure if his verse was from another song though.
Suge always wanted his people represented. According to Big C-Style, what became the Murder Was the Case soundtrack as it is today originally started out as the first intended LBC Crew compilation, which is pretty clear from the first several songs, most of which ended up being Side A of the cassette. Suge probably didn't want to paint a picture of Death Row just being a bunch of Crip rappers, at least not on their first actual compilation album, so he added some other artists who were more aligned with him and not necessarily part of DPG/LBC... i.e. Danny Boy, Jodeci (even though their song was with Dogg Pound), DJ Quik and OFTB.
In the same interview, Big C-Style said that Suge, who still had some involvement with the LBC Crew compilation since it was intended to be a Death Row release, knew that while it was showcasing a lot of their talent, it needed more star power to help ensure its success, or at least to the level that he wanted for anything with a Death Row logo on it. Pac was on fire at the time, and Suge had him contribute a verse to that existing song, though I don't think it was clear on whether or not it was intended to be the album version or a B-side mix.
I have always thought that there is an unreleased dirty version of Pac's verse. The reason for that is because there is both a dirty and clean version of the song recorded (which to me shows that there was a strong possibility of it becoming at least a radio single, which explains why Suge would have Pac contribute to it), though Pac's verse on the dirty Gridlock'd version is clean, oddly enough... clean to the point where it doesn't seem like Pac's original lyrics but more like clean words replacing dirty ones as an afterthought, particularly:
"Watch how they fall when I buck 'em all/ We Outlawz, West Side, playa, touch 'em all"
[Pac usually doesn't say "playa," and "fuck 'em all" would sound like it would fit better at the end]
"Brothas fall, then they crawl and they beg for their life"
[Again, odd use of "brothas," especially when he's talking about his enemies]
"Go tell them bustas up at Bad Boy Records/ That trick's got a big mouth, busta, better check it"
[Uncommon for Pac to say busta, let alone twice in one rhyme scheme, plus it sounds like another layer behind it has him saying "nigga" instead]
"I can see it plain as day, this game I play, wide open/ I pull the trigga, dead figga with his eyes open"
["Figga" was never really a word Pac intentionally put in songs unless he was trying to replace "nigga" in a clean version]
My guess is that Pac did record this after a dirty one, and perhaps Death Row was in such disarray where they either couldn't find it (like how they couldn't find the dirty Hit 'Em Up acapella, hence why the Nu-Mixx has the clean one) or just weren't paying attention when mixing the song for retail release and inadvertently put the dirty LBC Crew verses with the clean Pac one.
Excellent points all around on this. Never occurred to me for some reason. "Out the Moon" is not a good example of it, but Pac was the best at replacing explicit lyrics with clean ones for the radio. Nowadays rappers don't even bother so there's all kinds of awkward gaps.
The first C-Style / LBC Crew sessions began in 1994. First, Murder Was The Case was more a LBC compilation with Tha Dogg Pound Gangstaz extended family, Tha Dogg Pound, Lil Style, Young Swoop, Nate Dogg, Slip Capone... Then, Snoop Doggy Dogg set up DoggyStyle Records sub-label under Death Row with Tray Deee and Big C-Style artists like LBC Crew (Bad Azz, Techniec & Lil Style), Mz So Sentrelle and the LowLifes (Bad Azz, CoCo Loc, Shorty K) plus LT Hutton. During this era, Tha Dogg Pound also got their project of Murder Incorporated sub-label with artists like NME and Grench Tha Mean One. C-Style, Dave Knight and Soopafly (who got his own GangstaGangsta Muzic imprint) launched C-Style Productions. Out The Moon was due to be the lead single of the first DoggyStyle release, the LBC Crew compilation (DoggyStyle Death Row / Executive produced by Snoop & Big C-Style).
Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.
Shelved too, the first maxi single from Tha DoggFather included "Snoop's Upside Your Head Remix", "Out The Moon", "Off The Hook" and "Get Up To Get Down Remix". If you search in the DR DATS references you can c that a DoggyStyle Records compilation was planned with "Out The Moon", "Caught Up", "Quite Obvious"... I mean, this track appears on several DR archives (1995-96) and we understand it was a song that Death Row and Snoop wanted to release in a project. Previously taken from the shelved LBC Crew compilation, this DoggyStyle Records song ended in Gridlock'd OST, but wih 2Pac replacing Lil C-Style.
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Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.
yeah, at some point snoop decided to drop all the 2Pac featured songs from his Doggfather album because at that time he didn't want to come off as if he wanted to profit of Pac's death by putting him on his album
that was the reason why "Street Life" didn't make the album and probably also the reason for "Out The Moon" (with Pac) not making the album
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Was the "What's My Name" remix the one from the Death Row Greatest Hits set? Would've been a bad idea to have that on Doggfather, a remix of a song from three years earlier.
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Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved). Get Up To get Down was also recycled (and remixed) from the LBC Crew album in order to appear on the very first tracklists of Tha DoggFather album project. The first safety copy of Tha DoggFather masters also mentions tracks like "Street Life", "Dogg Colar", "What's My Name Remix" and others.
yeah, at some point snoop decided to drop all the 2Pac featured songs from his Doggfather album because at that time he didn't want to come off as if he wanted to profit of Pac's death by putting him on his album
that was the reason why "Street Life" didn't make the album and probably also the reason for "Out The Moon" (with Pac) not making the album
Snoop needed all the good songs he could get. You can tell he wasn't hungry anymore like he was on his first album. If he was a hungry artist he would of done everything he could to put the hottest joints on his album, whether that be with Pac, LBC Crew or whoever. That was the biggest letdown I ever had buying an album, I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14. I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..
The second biggest letdown was Snoop's next album, The Game is to Be Sold. It was summer 1998 and I went to a midnight sale at blockbuster music on monday night. There was a line of people waitin to buy it, I put that shit in and the first song had me hyped (like all No Limit albums the first song gets you hyped to buy it, just a marketing ploy), and then it just got worse and worse after that.
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I think Snoop still had at with Doggfather but the direction wasn't there. I think there are some great records on there but even if you put all your personal preferred cuts from that era Snoop in, it still just wasn't as much there but I think it gets way too much flack. He was expected to meet the expectations he created off "Doggystyle" and had so many factors against him. Dre wasn't there to oversee it anymore. His relationship with Pac had been strained during the making of it and his death happened shortly before it was released. Suge was indicted. Death Row had just put out "Makaveli" a week earlier and where previously, under the Dre partnership, they were distancing the releases a little more, Pac's crazy workhorse studio ethic, probably encouraged a dynamic to the fold to get more put out at a quicker pace, which may not always be a good thing. It's also well-documented that Snoop's creative direction at that time conflicted with where Suge was trying to go with it.
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I voted 'Gang Related' because it contains some of my favourite joints on there by 2Pac, but I think overall 'Gridlock'd' might be the better all-round album with songs by a variety of Death Row artists.
I thought Daz' song was about Dr. Dre? And 2Pac's song was a sort of call-to-arms towards Snoop in terms of riding with him in the beef with Bad Boy Records?
By the way, does anyone know the deal with the song 'Deliberation' by Anonymous. It's an excellent track to close the album but it's interesting because it's in complete contrast to the overall sound of the album. Does it appear in the film at any point?
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I voted 'Gang Related' because it contains some of my favourite joints on there by 2Pac, but I think overall 'Gridlock'd' might be the better all-round album with songs by a variety of Death Row artists.
I thought Daz' song was about Dr. Dre? And 2Pac's song was a sort of call-to-arms towards Snoop in terms of riding with him in the beef with Bad Boy Records?
By the way, does anyone know the deal with the song 'Deliberation' by Anonymous. It's an excellent track to close the album but it's interesting because it's in complete contrast to the overall sound of the album. Does it appear in the film at any point?
Do you people even listen to the lyrics?
"The big homeboy C-Style put him on, 19th Street got him on his way". Sure, he's talkin' about Dre.
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Then, Out The Moon had to appear on Tha DoggFather. That's when the Pac verse was included in the alternate version of the song, instead of Lil C-Style verse (after the LBC Crew album was definitivly shelved).
That makes some sense. Even though it's weird that all Snoop did was the chorus, the song itself on Gridlock'd did get credited as a Snoop song featuring such-and-such, so I guess that would be consistent with how it was cataloged for release when it was supposedly intended for Tha Doggfather.
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Imagine Gang Related would be a one-disc release and this would be the tracklist:
01. Way Too Major - Daz Dillinger, Tray Deee
02. These Days - Nate Dogg, Daz Dillinger
03. Made Niggaz - 2Pac, Outlawz
04. What's Ya Fantasy - Daz Dillinger, Outlawz
05. Life's So Hard - 2Pac
06. A Change To Come - J-Flexx, Tenkamenin a.o.
07. Gang Related - Daz Dillinger, WC, CJ Mac, Tray Deee
08. Lost Souls - 2Pac, Outlawz
09. Mash For Our Dreams - Daz Dillinger, Storm, Young Noble
10. Loc'd Out Hood - Kurupt
11. Staring Through My Rear View - 2Pac, Outlawz
12. Free'em All - J. Flexx, Tenkamenin
13. Hollywood Bank Robbery - The Gang
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add tech n9ne's "questions" and u got a classic LP
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I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14. I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..
This is the exact moment when infinite got stuck in 1996.
first Pac got shot and then Snoop made an album with no hits , too much for his poor brain.
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I still remember it, November 12th, 1996, my friend left during lunch at school and picked it up for me since he had a license and I was still only 14. I got home and bumped it and I kept getting closer and closer to the last track till finally I got there and still no bangers..
This is the exact moment when infinite got stuck in 1996.
first Pac got shot and then Snoop made an album with no hits , too much for his poor brain.
No.. actually it was when my girl Ashley left her dads house to go live with her mom in Maryland, she left on the morning of August 22nd, 1996. After she left I was at the pool later that day with some friends and it actually hit me that she was gone and I felt my heart break and I was never the same after that. That was the end of my youth/childhood and I spent the next four years in deep, dark depression until I converted to Islam in 00' and took on a while nother persona...
Ashley left august 22nd, 96 and I was pretty much finished except all those around me were still giving me props and id built up so much positive momentum and the outside world was still on and poppin... Dre came out with "East Coast West Coast Killaz" I bought the crucial conflict and Atliens album and highschool started and the first weekend of school everything was coming my way, the most popular girl in the grade wanted me, dudes were lookin to me to like run shit, sportsstar in school, but I couldn't capatalize on anything really and Pac was shot and killed and the snoop album flopped a couple months later, death row crumbled the dre album flopped and my life was in a free fall. I developed Anhedonia and thought my back was fucked up for a couple years but it was all psychic pain, physically my back was fine.
So no, the exact moment was at the pool about 1pm, August 22nd, 96
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okay, now i understand a bit better.
stay off the weed .