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Metta World Peace criticizes Dwight Howard, praises Ryan Kelly
By James Herbert @outsidethenba on Mar 25 2014, 10:12a
Metta World Peace appeared on the Max & Marcellus show on ESPN LA 710 radio on Monday and was, well, himself. The free agent forward said he would not have accepted a buyout from the New York Knicks if Phil Jackson had joined the front office by then, and he commented on Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant and much more, via ESPN's Dave McMenamin:
On the Lakers' air-it-out meeting in Memphis last season: "Kobe was furious and he just wanted things to change, and him and Dwight [Howard] at the time wasn't clicking. I think Dwight would take it too personal because Kobe is like very direct and Kobe gives you, like, a chance to show who you are. Not necessarily produce, but just to show who you are. Kobe wants to see you out there on the court, and he wants to see you like an attack dog. A smart attack dog. Show that you have heart. Show you care. He wants to see it right away."
On Howard's limitations as an offensive player: "That's where I had an issue with Dwight sometimes because he's strong and he can rebound, he can block shots, he can dunk. But his moves are not polished yet. So to want the ball every time ... we're going to give it to you, because the franchise called for that, but he isn't going to score."
Since World Peace hadn't spoken to Los Angeles media all season, he took lots of Lakers-related questions. The best part of the interview? Why, that's when he provided his assessment of Lakers rookie forward Ryan Kelly, who is averaging 7.7 points and 3.4 rebounds per game:
On Lakers rookie Ryan Kelly's potential: "He's stronger than Kevin Durant was when he came in [the league] and can do basically the same things, but he has to start [training] now."
I mean, sure! Kevin Durant was the No. 2 overall pick, won Rookie of the Year and developed into a superstar who will likely win the MVP award this season. Kelly, the No. 48 pick, has had some nice games and has made a pretty good argument for sticking around in the league next year. So, so, so similar.
Never change, Metta.
www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/3/25/5545730/metta-world-peace-radio-interview-phil-jackson-lakers
LOL
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You highlighted that but didn't highlight the credibility killer (of what was even left) by him comparing Ryan Kelly to KD? Lol
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Nik was laughing at Artest for talking shit to Kobe but now his tune has changed.
Dwight isn't the best post player but somehow he draws double teams and his passing has been pretty good. I like him, he's not a Laker so that's cool.
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Rockets were doin pretty damn good wit Dwight out for the last few games
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The Rockets were the 4th best team in the league with him
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what is Artest doing these days? lol dude is the biggest black eye to the NBA this century...total nutcase.
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Artest is right on this 1 tho
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Artest is right on this 1 tho
well it's no secret that Howard is very limited offensively and this is why he'll never join the class of the Hakeem/Shaq/Robinson/Ewing type guys we grew up on the 90's and/or early 2000's
but dude is a beast and will be a HOFer barring any injuries and Artest will never be remembered for his time in Houston while Dwight will be. Artest will always be known for the fight and his bailing Kobe out in game 7 of the NBA finals
and lol @ comparing someone to Durant when they score under 10 PPG. Ask Remedy how dope Durant was his rookie year ;)
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prime artest > Dwight
ryan kelly is no Durant, but he's got a similar skill-set
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prime artest > Dwight
ryan kelly is no Durant, but he's got a similar skill-set
:laugh:
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Incredible lmao. I can't believe I spent years of my life debating LeBron/Kobe with a man so biased.
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whats incredible tho?
u were too young to see artest in his prime
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LMAO, stop. He was drafted in 1999 & his prime was '03-'04 to like '07-'08 & he was just a better version of Bruce Bowen. Elite defender...as is Dwight, but Dwight is 10 times more valuable. Especially in a league where there is a handful of good centers.
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Incredible lmao. I can't believe I spent years of my life debating LeBron/Kobe with a man so biased.
:D it's pretty silly, isn't it?
"KENDALL MARSHALL IS BETTER THAN RONDO"
"TRACY MCGRADY IS BETTER THAN LEBRON"
"RON ARTEST IS BETTER THAN DWIGHT HOWARD"
"PAU GASOL IS BETTER THAN HAKEEM OLAJUWAN"
Okay, maybe I made that last one up but is it really any worse off than his first 3 claims? :D
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he was just a better version of Bruce Bowen.
lmao and u try laughing other peoples statements off
pacers built around artest were serious title contenders....rockets built around artest made a nice playoff run in the ultra competitive west. the guy was a legit offensive threat and the best perimeter defender in the league. he also was a fierce competitor, something that dwight is far from.
rockets are lookin just as good wit or witout dwight....his value is extremely exaggerated by people like u...ur just laughing because all u can remember of artest was his out-of-prime run wit the lakers.
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Incredible lmao. I can't believe I spent years of my life debating LeBron/Kobe with a man so biased.
:D it's pretty silly, isn't it?
"KENDALL MARSHALL IS BETTER THAN RONDO"
"TRACY MCGRADY IS BETTER THAN LEBRON"
"RON ARTEST IS BETTER THAN DWIGHT HOWARD"
"PAU GASOL IS BETTER THAN HAKEEM OLAJUWAN"
Okay, maybe I made that last one up but is it really any worse off than his first 3 claims? :D
u have a funny way of twistin shit
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Incredible lmao. I can't believe I spent years of my life debating LeBron/Kobe with a man so biased.
:D it's pretty silly, isn't it?
"KENDALL MARSHALL IS BETTER THAN RONDO"
"TRACY MCGRADY IS BETTER THAN LEBRON"
"RON ARTEST IS BETTER THAN DWIGHT HOWARD"
"PAU GASOL IS BETTER THAN HAKEEM OLAJUWAN"
Okay, maybe I made that last one up but is it really any worse off than his first 3 claims? :D
u have a funny way of twistin shit
well I'm assuming this means you take back the Marshall and Rondo and T-mac and Lebron statements. This is a win for the Dubcc sports section and LAMB fans alike.
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The tmac statement was made when tmac was having an MVP caliber season and Lebron hadn't seen his prime yet.... As for rondo, he's obviously better than Marshall now, but rondo's arrow is pointin down while Marshall's is pointin up
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The tmac statement was made when tmac was having an MVP caliber season and Lebron hadn't seen his prime yet.... As for rondo, he's obviously better than Marshall now, but rondo's arrow is pointin down while Marshall's is pointin up
lmao! Rondo is dropping mad assist with scrubs right now while coming back from an injury. He'll be a monster next year assuming Boston gets him some help. I pray he doesn't get traded unless it's to OKC for Durant or Miami for Lebron. Or the Blazers with Green for a combo trade of Lillaird and Aldridge. Then i'd take that trade :D 8)
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Jermaine O'Neal was clearly the franchise. Like I said, Ron Artest was just the muscle & big time defender. He averaged like 16 PPG. I don't think any team in NBA history has "built around" a player not averaging at least twenty (besides a point guard).
Just because at the time he was probably the second best Pacer on the team & Bruce Bowen was like the sixth best player on the Spurs doesn't mean their skill sets aren't the same.
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Jermaine O'Neal was clearly the franchise. Like I said, Ron Artest was just the muscle & big time defender. He averaged like 16 PPG. I don't think any team in NBA history has "built around" a player not averaging at least twenty (besides a point guard).
Just because at the time he was probably the second best Pacer on the team & Bruce Bowen was like the sixth best player on the Spurs doesn't mean their skill sets aren't the same.
are u trollin now or are u foreal comparing bruce bowen to ron artest?....i cant tell.
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You truly don't see how they played a similar game outside of Ron being better?
I thought you had a grip of the game when it comes to things non-related to Lakers/players compared to Kobe.
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You truly don't see how they played a similar game outside of Ron being better?
I thought you had a grip of the game when it comes to things non-related to Lakers/players compared to Kobe.
ron artest gave u 20 points a game and was the best perimeter defender in the league in his prime.......bruce bowen, not so much
it's pretty much the same comparison as artest made with kelly vs durant lmao
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He averaged 20 PPG once in his career...exactly 20 in Sacramento...by himself.
You're not understanding. You said Ron in his prime > Dwight. The only reason I brought up Bruce Bowen is because they played a similar role on the team. Play great perimeter defense, Bruce threw up threes, so did Ron when he was open. Ron clearly did it better. But at no point was Ron a "scoring threat". He just got scrappy, rough nigga points.
Bottom line, Dwight rebounding, blocking shots, clogging the middle, backing down creating double teams & just overall as a player on the floor is better than Ron Artest at any point.
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He averaged 20 PPG once in his career...exactly 20 in Sacramento...by himself.
You're not understanding. You said Ron in his prime > Dwight. The only reason I brought up Bruce Bowen is because they played a similar role on the team. Play great perimeter defense, Bruce threw up threes, so did Ron when he was open. Ron clearly did it better. But at no point was Ron a "scoring threat". He just got scrappy, rough nigga points.
Bottom line, Dwight rebounding, blocking shots, clogging the middle, backing down creating double teams & just overall as a player on the floor is better than Ron Artest at any point.
HIS PRIME YEARS HE WAS ALWAYS RIGHT AROUND 20
LMAO AT PLAYING A SIMILAR ROLE...ARTEST WAS A FOCAL POINT OF THE PACERS OFFENSE, DO UR RESEARCH
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2006.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2005.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/IND/2004.html
BRUCE BOWEN WOULD BE LUCKY TO BE CONSIDERED AN 8TH OPTION ON ANY TEAM HE'S EVER PLAYED FOR
COME ON NOW DAWGY, UR COMPARISON IS EMBARRASSING AND U MOST LIKELY UNDERVALUE ARTEST BECAUSE U WERE TOO YOUNG TO SEE HIM IN HIS PRIME. I SEE WHAT IT IS. JUST REALIZE THAT COMPARING HIM TO BRUCE BOWEN IS BY FAR THE FUNNIEST SHIT IN THIS THREAD.
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1. JO scored more than him in every year you posted.
2. The second link you posted Artest played seven games & got suspended for the season from the brawl.
3. I didn't undervalue Artest. I said they had a similar skill set & Artest was much better than him. The point was that Dwight's role is more valuable than Ron's role of being muscle, an elite defender & "getting his" by hustling.
If I did learn anything in all these years it's that you'll change my story & what I said & my point to come off correct. Just address how Ron was close to being better than Dwight.
Not to mention you taught me you can always cop out & say "I have all of Magic Johnson's Ron Artest's DVD's & played a few video games with him in it...I can speak on behalf on seeing Ron"...not to mention I was 14 during Ron's prime.
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Even if artest was a second option, he was easily a better second option than Dwight .. Bruce Bowen simply shoulda never been brought in to this conversation
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First off, a huge el oh el at the Rockets being built around Artest. He was an addition to a roster of really good players that was obviously built around McGrady and Yao. When McGrady went down naturally Artest was asked to score more. Von Wafer also picked up the slack. Artest was brought in for his defense and history with Adelman, not because he was to be showcased as a star.
The Pacers teams he was second fiddle to Jermaine and deferred to a still effective Reggie Miller. His offense was dreadful then. Then the Malace at the Palace happened and the rest of his time in Indiana was less then memorable. He tried to take off a year to promote a fucking R&B group.
Then he went to Sacramento and tried the bruise brother role with Bonzi, their best year they took the Spurs to 7 and that was it. Dude's defense was always stellar and with that reputation he got away with a lot of mugging. His offense that was close to the rim can be summed up with "NO DON'T TAKE THAT SHOT OH MY GOD IT WENT IN HOW?"
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my boy Metta strikes again!
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First off, a huge el oh el at the Rockets being built around Artest. He was an addition to a roster of really good players that was obviously built around McGrady and Yao. When McGrady went down naturally Artest was asked to score more. Von Wafer also picked up the slack. Artest was brought in for his defense and history with Adelman, not because he was to be showcased as a star.
The Pacers teams he was second fiddle to Jermaine and deferred to a still effective Reggie Miller. His offense was dreadful then. Then the Malace at the Palace happened and the rest of his time in Indiana was less then memorable. He tried to take off a year to promote a fucking R&B group.
Then he went to Sacramento and tried the bruise brother role with Bonzi, their best year they took the Spurs to 7 and that was it. Dude's defense was always stellar and with that reputation he got away with a lot of mugging. His offense that was close to the rim can be summed up with "NO DON'T TAKE THAT SHOT OH MY GOD IT WENT IN HOW?"
t-mac went down, yao went down, artest was the guy that year and they went into the playoffs with the team built around him......don't rewrite history just so u can make Dwight look better lol smh typical citizen-y shiet
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Even if artest was a second option, he was easily a better second option than Dwight .. Bruce Bowen simply shoulda never been brought in to this conversation
Dwight lead one of the worst rosters to make an NBA finals as the first option lol.
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Even if artest was a second option, he was easily a better second option than Dwight .. Bruce Bowen simply shoulda never been brought in to this conversation
Dwight lead one of the worst rosters to make an NBA finals as the first option lol.
that team was not built around Dwight, it was built around van gundy's system, placing immaculate shooters/facilitators on the three point line and opening up the paint for endless putback opportunities and spoon-fed dunks for the big man......u coulda had tyson chandler as the center and u woulda gotten the same results. not to mention, it was in the eastern conference...that Houston team led by artest also coulda made the finals in the dreadful east. he was exposed wit the quickness once he faced a real team (Lakers)
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First off, a huge el oh el at the Rockets being built around Artest. He was an addition to a roster of really good players that was obviously built around McGrady and Yao. When McGrady went down naturally Artest was asked to score more. Von Wafer also picked up the slack. Artest was brought in for his defense and history with Adelman, not because he was to be showcased as a star.
The Pacers teams he was second fiddle to Jermaine and deferred to a still effective Reggie Miller. His offense was dreadful then. Then the Malace at the Palace happened and the rest of his time in Indiana was less then memorable. He tried to take off a year to promote a fucking R&B group.
Then he went to Sacramento and tried the bruise brother role with Bonzi, their best year they took the Spurs to 7 and that was it. Dude's defense was always stellar and with that reputation he got away with a lot of mugging. His offense that was close to the rim can be summed up with "NO DON'T TAKE THAT SHOT OH MY GOD IT WENT IN HOW?"
t-mac went down, yao went down, artest was the guy that year and they went into the playoffs with the team built around him......don't rewrite history just so u can make Dwight look better lol smh typical citizen-y shiet
Yao went down during the Lakers series. He was healthy all year. Do you not remember what happened during your own times playoff match ups? T-Mac was injured, they still had a competent Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry.
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Even if artest was a second option, he was easily a better second option than Dwight
:eh:
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First off, a huge el oh el at the Rockets being built around Artest. He was an addition to a roster of really good players that was obviously built around McGrady and Yao. When McGrady went down naturally Artest was asked to score more. Von Wafer also picked up the slack. Artest was brought in for his defense and history with Adelman, not because he was to be showcased as a star.
The Pacers teams he was second fiddle to Jermaine and deferred to a still effective Reggie Miller. His offense was dreadful then. Then the Malace at the Palace happened and the rest of his time in Indiana was less then memorable. He tried to take off a year to promote a fucking R&B group.
Then he went to Sacramento and tried the bruise brother role with Bonzi, their best year they took the Spurs to 7 and that was it. Dude's defense was always stellar and with that reputation he got away with a lot of mugging. His offense that was close to the rim can be summed up with "NO DON'T TAKE THAT SHOT OH MY GOD IT WENT IN HOW?"
t-mac went down, yao went down, artest was the guy that year and they went into the playoffs with the team built around him......don't rewrite history just so u can make Dwight look better lol smh typical citizen-y shiet
Yao went down during the Lakers series. He was healthy all year. Do you not remember what happened during your own times playoff match ups? T-Mac was injured, they still had a competent Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks, Kyle Lowry.
t-mac was down, yao was down, artest was the leader...in sacramento, as well, artest was the leader. he was an all-star in his prime as well as defensive player of the year, but never a legit franchise player.....just like dwight. only artest has a ring.
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the Lakers sure did beg howard to be their franchise player
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Even if artest was a second option, he was easily a better second option than Dwight
:eh:
artest can create his own shot and even has better post moves than dwight..and just like dwight, he would score by outmuscling opponents as well, only artest had a passable skill-set and didnt rely 100% on strength/athleticism ala dwight.
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one 20 point season on a horrible team
Dwight had multiple 20 point seasons on teams he made good with his league leading rebounding and defense
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I'm done. This kid is a fucking moron
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u got some1 comparing bruce bowen to ron artest in this thread, and then u get butthurt like a gayboy because some1 compared the value of a 2nd option all-star to another 2nd option all-star........i know dwight plays for ur team (in more ways than one), but at least try bein objective, homer.
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You were just trying to tell me how the 08-09 Rockets were constructed and how Artest was the focal point of their offense. Keep burning that reefer to live in that fantasy land you fucking live in.
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u coulda had tyson chandler as the center and u woulda gotten the same results.
LOL. I give up.
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You were just trying to tell me how the 08-09 Rockets were constructed and how Artest was the focal point of their offense. Keep burning that reefer to live in that fantasy land you fucking live in.
NAAH, WHAT I SAID WAS THAT ARTEST WAS THE FOCAL POINT AND HEART + SOUL OF THAT TEAM WHEN TMAC AND THEN YAO WENT DOWN......AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. ARTEST WAS A LOCKDOWN PERIMETER DEFENDER WHO GAVE U 17 POINTS A NIGHT. AND U GUNA SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE HE SOME SCRUB TO DEFEND UR POINTS.
BASICALLY, UR MAD WHEN I COMPARE TWO ALL-STARS, BUT WHEN SOME1 COMPARES ARTEST TO BRUCE FUCKIN BOWEN, IT'S ALL GOOD WIT U, CUZ NO ONE IS DOWN-TALKING ONE OF YOUR GLORIOUS ROCKET PLAYERS
U SUCK
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u coulda had tyson chandler as the center and u woulda gotten the same results.
LOL. I give up.
U OVERRATE DWIGHT IMMENSELY...I'LL GO 1 STEP FURTHER. IF DWIGHT WAS THE CENTER INSTEAD OF CHANDLER ON THAT 2011 MAVS TEAM, THEY WOULDA NEVER WON IT ALL.
IF TYSON CHANDLER OVERVALUED HIMSELF AND DEMANDED TOUCHES IN THE POST, U'D HAVE URSELF A DWIGHT HOWARD. AND DONT ACT LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS NOTION HAS BEEN CONCEIVED....IT'S BEEN THE BOOK ON DWIGHT FROM DAY 1 AND HE STILL HASNT DEVELOPED ANY OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS GAME.
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lol @ still being on Bowen. Not understanding the point I was trying to make. It's fine.
I'm good. I can't listen to this. I think Tyson Chandler = Dwight is more retarded than Ron > Dwight.
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Tyson chandler knows his role....that's the biggest difference. u overrate Dwight way too much. lets look at it realistically. he's a THIRD option to a team headed by a former third option......he's not a franchise player, get over it.
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lol @ still being on Bowen. Not understanding the point I was trying to make. It's fine.
I'm good. I can't listen to this. I think Tyson Chandler = Dwight is more retarded than Ron > Dwight.
How the fuck is this guy a mod?
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He made a big fuss about wanting control around here since the Euros in charge don't do anything and they tossed him this to keep him quiet.
But I realize all he can really do is move, delete and merge threads lol.
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lol @ still being on Bowen. Not understanding the point I was trying to make. It's fine.
I'm good. I can't listen to this. I think Tyson Chandler = Dwight is more retarded than Ron > Dwight.
How the fuck is this guy a mod?
lol ur askin the guy who said ron artest is "just another bruce bowen" how i'm a mod because I compared artest to dwight howard, and considering dwight plays for ur teams (homosexuality and the rockets) , u took major offense to one comment while finding common ground wit the person who made the other.......
u, my friend, are a faggot
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tyson chandler? :grumpy:
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He made a big fuss about wanting control around here since the Euros in charge don't do anything and they tossed him this to keep him quiet.
But I realize all he can really do is move, delete and merge threads lol.
He brings nothing to the table and routinely makes up weird scenarios to try to be right. I guess it sounds right in his mind after he blazes. I'm all for reefer legalization but he's the type that give stoners a bad rap.
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LMAO THIS HOMER IS BONDING WIT SOME1 WHO SAID BRUCE BOWEN=ARTEST OVER THE FACT THAT I COMPARED ARTEST AND DWIGHT..
DOES IT GET ANY BETTER?
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Once again he twists the thread
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Once again he twists the thread
Dude, it says you registered in 2001. I came here in 2007 & realized before 2007 ended that it's the only way he fights arguments lol.
Son is still talking about Bruce Bowen lol.
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yeah. he never said Bowen was equal to artest. fact twisting at it's worstest.
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yeah. he never said Bowen was equal to artest. fact twisting at it's worstest.
Actually said five times that they just played a similar style & credited Artest for being much better lol.
In an effort to group Artest to a style of play to point out how MUCH MORE valuable Dwight's position is lol.
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"HE WAS JUST A BETTER VERSION OF BRUCE BOWEN"
U COMPARED AN ALL-STAR+DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR TO A ROLE PLAYER.....
AND CITIZEN-Y IS SUCH A ROCKET HOMER THAT HE RATHER HANG ON THE FACT THAT I COMPARED 2 ALL-STARS...IT'S MIND-BOTTLING
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That awkward moment when you realize Ron Artest averaged eight more PPG than Bowen but.............
Bowen averaged .6 more assists.
.8 more rebounds.
.1 more blocks.
.4 more steals.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7381/12111514685_cd91a02545_o.gif)
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LMAO AND IT CONTINUES
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Once again he twists the thread
Dude, it says you registered in 2001. I came here in 2007 & realized before 2007 ended that it's the only way he fights arguments lol.
Son is still talking about Bruce Bowen lol.
Damn, it's been 13 years.
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13 years of the rockets sucking dick followed up by a year of them being considered a lightweight "contender" will do that 2 some1
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13 years of the rockets sucking dick followed up by a year of them being considered a lightweight "contender" will do that 2 some1
Enjoy the next decade of being maybe the eighth seed. Laker way is dead and gone
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dwight wouldnt even be a perennial all star in any other era.
dude sucks dick. the only reason he's valued is because of his market and defensive abilities. oh and of course, the lack of any talented bigman, let alone traditional centers.
get the a player with the same skill set, with a disgusting face, gets drafted by the timberwolves, and no sneaker deal, and he'd be a nobody.
the fact that theres D-League players with better foot work and post moves (actually having a legit go to move, rather than bricking turn around jumphooks) than him.
we all know how ron ron is, but thats not the issue.
the issue is that he confirms what we laker fans have thought what was going on in the locker rooms, along with the statements nash made.
If you actually watched every laker game (im damn sure cham nor hack does) we went out of our WAY to give him the ball. we disrupted and broke plays, just for HIM. and you can clearly see it throughout the course of the games.
Hey dwight, heres something new, why dont you use what the defense gives you and just play hard?
Dude has no game, and he wanted the ball, kobe and the team bit their lip and gave it to him. i cant say how manytimes kobe was weaving in there just to dish it to dwight, and dude wanted him to be amnestied? and then sign WHO? to replace him?
kobe didnt even say anything of this sort, nash came out first saying he absolutely refused to run the pick and roll (face palm) and now artest just confirms it, that dwight was crying like he was crying at orlando. LOL, but this time he again tries the victim card saying the fans are too harsh, and dips.
you know WHY? because houston fans are satisfied with the playoffs, theyre satisfied with semi, conference finals. the lakers are not.
dwight just isnt a bright guy, and so arrogant that he cannot see his limitations. not to mention when he doesnt get his precious 'touches' he doesnt run back and play D.
and dude was missing everything, and he still had the tenacity to complain. and when he got the "keys" to the car when kobe went out, he just embarrassed himself.
These players have too much leverage. coaches cant coach anymore because of job security, hell look at what happened with jerry sloan, even though he quit on his own terms (or so we think).
i really question how many lines jimmy buss takes before he makes front office decisions. its just ridiculous, we get a 39 yr old pass first HOFer PG as a selling tool for dwight.
than hire MDA who hates post play when we have dwight and pau, and 2 of the best post players in the league (in Kobe and Pau) and wants to run and gun so that our 39 yr old point guard gets ran to the ground, with doing so running our legendary franchise player as well.
seriously, Nash's abilities would be limited in the triangle, but hes 39, and i think he would of benefited fromt hat more than just running with guys half his age.
and of course, hiring MDA when nobody wanted him, fans, kobe, dwight, when there was Phil.
Jimmy's hurting us for years to come, let me tell you that. i just dont have confidence anymore, 3 years of bullshit and it seems like it isnt going to change.
jimmy is in the hotseat and yet he refuses to respond to critics and fans. like what the fuck are you doing? let kobe retire in grace by competing, not by rebuilding, we dont rebuild, we havent for a long, long time. we reload.
its either the stern effect (veto'd CP3 trade) or the buss effect
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13 years of the rockets sucking dick followed up by a year of them being considered a lightweight "contender" will do that 2 some1
Enjoy the next decade of being maybe the eighth seed. Laker way is dead and gone
KEEP DREAMIN ROCKET MAN
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dwight wouldnt even be a perennial all star in any other era.
dude sucks dick. the only reason he's valued is because of his market and defensive abilities. oh and of course, the lack of any talented bigman, let alone traditional centers.
get the a player with the same skill set, with a disgusting face, gets drafted by the timberwolves, and no sneaker deal, and he'd be a nobody.
the fact that theres D-League players with better foot work and post moves (actually having a legit go to move, rather than bricking turn around jumphooks) than him.
we all know how ron ron is, but thats not the issue.
the issue is that he confirms what we laker fans have thought what was going on in the locker rooms, along with the statements nash made.
If you actually watched every laker game (im damn sure cham nor hack does) we went out of our WAY to give him the ball. we disrupted and broke plays, just for HIM. and you can clearly see it throughout the course of the games.
Hey dwight, heres something new, why dont you use what the defense gives you and just play hard?
Dude has no game, and he wanted the ball, kobe and the team bit their lip and gave it to him. i cant say how manytimes kobe was weaving in there just to dish it to dwight, and dude wanted him to be amnestied? and then sign WHO? to replace him?
kobe didnt even say anything of this sort, nash came out first saying he absolutely refused to run the pick and roll (face palm) and now artest just confirms it, that dwight was crying like he was crying at orlando. LOL, but this time he again tries the victim card saying the fans are too harsh, and dips.
you know WHY? because houston fans are satisfied with the playoffs, theyre satisfied with semi, conference finals. the lakers are not.
dwight just isnt a bright guy, and so arrogant that he cannot see his limitations. not to mention when he doesnt get his precious 'touches' he doesnt run back and play D.
and dude was missing everything, and he still had the tenacity to complain. and when he got the "keys" to the car when kobe went out, he just embarrassed himself.
These players have too much leverage. coaches cant coach anymore because of job security, hell look at what happened with jerry sloan, even though he quit on his own terms (or so we think).
i really question how many lines jimmy buss takes before he makes front office decisions. its just ridiculous, we get a 39 yr old pass first HOFer PG as a selling tool for dwight.
than hire MDA who hates post play when we have dwight and pau, and 2 of the best post players in the league (in Kobe and Pau) and wants to run and gun so that our 39 yr old point guard gets ran to the ground, with doing so running our legendary franchise player as well.
seriously, Nash's abilities would be limited in the triangle, but hes 39, and i think he would of benefited fromt hat more than just running with guys half his age.
and of course, hiring MDA when nobody wanted him, fans, kobe, dwight, when there was Phil.
Jimmy's hurting us for years to come, let me tell you that. i just dont have confidence anymore, 3 years of bullshit and it seems like it isnt going to change.
jimmy is in the hotseat and yet he refuses to respond to critics and fans. like what the fuck are you doing? let kobe retire in grace by competing, not by rebuilding, we dont rebuild, we havent for a long, long time. we reload.
its either the stern effect (veto'd CP3 trade) or the buss effect
GOOD POST OUTSIDE OF THE LAST PART
IF WE GET A TOP 5 PAIRED WITH KOBE AND LOVE WITH A NICE COACH HIRING, WE RIGHT BACK IN IT
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Laker fans going to be crying about trying to make the playoffs for years to come.
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And Dwight jumped on a team that was an 8th seed and now they are the 4th best team in the west. LOL
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And Dwight jumped on a team that was an 8th seed and now they are the 4th best team in the west. LOL
NATURAL GROWTH WOULDA HAD THEM BETTER THIS YEAR WIT OR WITOUT DWIGHT
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And Dwight jumped on a team that was an 8th seed and now they are the 4th best team in the west. LOL
NATURAL GROWTH WOULDA HAD THEM BETTER THIS YEAR WIT OR WITOUT DWIGHT
When will you realize that everything Asik does Dwight does better?
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And Dwight jumped on a team that was an 8th seed and now they are the 4th best team in the west. LOL
well, because dwight ran the pick and roll, which he refused to do in LA.
dwight caused us to fight with houston last year for a playoff seeding. i dont know how many games we threw because we just kept feeding dwight and leaving him out on the floor for the other team to hack us.
its easy to see hes not a 'team' guy, not to mention he still bitches to get the ball in the post which he ultimately does nothing with it.
dude never had potential, his game never developed because that was his peak when he came in the league. if it wasnt for his height, he wouldnt be in the NBA (if he was anywhere from 5'9-6'4).
he just seriously lacks any shooting touch. does bank shots he does now and then is just freebies, yeah right hes going to sink those in clucth situations with the game on the line with the D all over him.
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And Dwight jumped on a team that was an 8th seed and now they are the 4th best team in the west. LOL
NATURAL GROWTH WOULDA HAD THEM BETTER THIS YEAR WIT OR WITOUT DWIGHT
When will you realize that everything Asik does Dwight does better?
DWIGHT IS BETTER THAN ASIK, BUT DWIGHT IS AN EXTRA ON THAT TEAM, HARDLY A FOCAL POINT..HIS DEFENSE AND REBOUND COME IN HANDY, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT YALL LIVE AND DIE BY
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lolololol
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I CAN ALL BUT GUARANTEE CHAM HASN'T SEEN MORE THAN ONE ROCKET GAME THIS YEAR....IVE WATCHED AT LEAST 15-20 (INCLUDING A COUPLE WHEN DWIGHT WAS OUT)
HE'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE CASUAL FAN (AKA CHAM) IS MADE TO BELIEVE
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I CAN ALL BUT GUARANTEE CHAM HASN'T SEEN MORE THAN ONE ROCKET GAME THIS YEAR....IVE WATCHED AT LEAST 15-20 (INCLUDING A COUPLE WHEN DWIGHT WAS OUT)
HE'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE CASUAL FAN (AKA CHAM) IS MADE TO BELIEVE
the chemistry flows better, since dwight isnt there to stop the ball and create his own shot, considering the dude cant create his own shot.
if anyone is stopping the ball on that rocket team, its harden. its pretty funny you can see parsons, lin, harden straight ignore howard sometimes when he was calling for the ball, much like what happened in lakerland last season.
i think he can be considered probably one of the most overrated players of all time.
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I CAN ALL BUT GUARANTEE CHAM HASN'T SEEN MORE THAN ONE ROCKET GAME THIS YEAR....IVE WATCHED AT LEAST 15-20 (INCLUDING A COUPLE WHEN DWIGHT WAS OUT)
HE'S NOT AS IMPORTANT AS THE CASUAL FAN (AKA CHAM) IS MADE TO BELIEVE
the chemistry flows better, since dwight isnt there to stop the ball and create his own shot, considering the dude cant create his own shot.
if anyone is stopping the ball on that rocket team, its harden. its pretty funny you can see parsons, lin, harden straight ignore howard sometimes when he was calling for the ball, much like what happened in lakerland last season.
i think he can be considered probably one of the most overrated players of all time.
THE most overrated, it's not even close
I mean, LeBron is overrated like a mufucka, but at least LeBron is a legit superstar and top-tier player
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i still think the Houston vs Lakers 2009 playoffs series was more entertaining then the Celtics vs Bulls that year
mainly due to Artest
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i still think the Houston vs Lakers 2009 playoffs series was more entertaining then the Celtics vs Bulls that year
mainly due to Artest
it blew my mind when it went to 7 games. there was legit fear in lakerland at that time. but ron was droppin bombs that series.
lol i think me and you had a huge fight over it a while back. i still love the celtics vs bulls series more, i got no connection with both, but ray allen vs ben gordon was just a sight to see.
damn i dont even remember a really fun series, in recent times, i think last years finals was the best one i can remember. nothing really memorable over the past 2 years in the playoffs.
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With the Lakers sucking i havent even really cared this season, usually i follow the NBA really close but this season has been a huge let down, with the East being shit and Lakers being shit only thing thats going to be entertaining this playoff season is watching the West
i think the Spurs take it, I hope they do so i can go to the parade downtown and party, i heard its nuts here in SA when they win a championship
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i still think the Houston vs Lakers 2009 playoffs series was more entertaining then the Celtics vs Bulls that year
mainly due to Artest
it blew my mind when it went to 7 games. there was legit fear in lakerland at that time. but ron was droppin bombs that series.
lol i think me and you had a huge fight over it a while back. i still love the celtics vs bulls series more, i got no connection with both, but ray allen vs ben gordon was just a sight to see.
damn i dont even remember a really fun series, in recent times, i think last years finals was the best one i can remember. nothing really memorable over the past 2 years in the playoffs.
this year will have some memorable matchups
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Dwight led an awful roster to the NBA Finals.
Dwight is clearly a focal point on the Rockets. I know you don't realize it because when you're in homer mode you just say whatever wreckless thing comes to mind, but you're pretty much comparing his value to the Rockets as like Robert Sacre could just be traded for Dwight straight up & nothing would change for either team. He's a focal point. He doesn't have to be the #1 scoring option to be focal for them though.
He's incredible defensively & rebounding. He's a presence down low no matter how you want to slice it. He creates things for his teammates that wouldn't be there if he wasn't down there. If that's not being focal, I don't know what is.
Your whole attitude towards this (despite we all know it's as biased as ever), is the equivalent of me saying Kobe wasn't focal to the OG Lakers threepeat. Something like, "yeah, first of all...he wasn't the number one option on offense...he was number two. And secondly...he just played his role in Phil Jackson's offense...sure his ability to create for himself came in handy but he easily could of been replaced by Vince Carter or Paul Pierce and you woulda got the same results".
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With the Lakers sucking i havent even really cared this season, usually i follow the NBA really close but this season has been a huge let down, with the East being shit and Lakers being shit only thing thats going to be entertaining this playoff season is watching the West
i think the Spurs take it, I hope they do so i can go to the parade downtown and party, i heard its nuts here in SA when they win a championship
knicks and nets being a huge upset, suns winning, lakers sucking, rose being injured.
there wasnt really much to watch this season. its pretty funny all these stars keep heading towards the east but they still suck ass.
the heat move really impacted the league, especially the east. nobody would of talked shit if they got together in the end respectively to ring chase.
look at the heat, they broke up the celtics by signing ray, getting vets for cheap just to for a quick ring ride. it doesnt really effect the west as much because somehow they just do better for some odd reason, regardless if they lose stars.
but the east, its all just what? pacers heat, and thats pretty much it. i dont have high hopes for a relevant rose return, cuz dude aint gonna be 100% anyways.
i feel for rose tho, he was one of the most exciting little guys since AI. but i doubt any team is going to give him a max contract unless he has 2 full healthy seasons.
The adidas guard curse? T-Mac, Gilbert, Rose? whose next?
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Dwight led an awful roster to the NBA Finals.
Dwight is clearly a focal point on the Rockets. I know you don't realize it because when you're in homer mode you just say whatever wreckless thing comes to mind, but you're pretty much comparing his value to the Rockets as like Robert Sacre could just be traded for Dwight straight up & nothing would change for either team. He's a focal point. He doesn't have to be the #1 scoring option to be focal for them though.
He's incredible defensively & rebounding. He's a presence down low no matter how you want to slice it. He creates things for his teammates that wouldn't be there if he wasn't down there. If that's not being focal, I don't know what is.
Your whole attitude towards this (despite we all know it's as biased as ever), is the equivalent of me saying Kobe wasn't focal to the OG Lakers threepeat. Something like, "yeah, first of all...he wasn't the number one option on offense...he was number two. And secondly...he just played his role in Phil Jackson's offense...sure his ability to create for himself came in handy but he easily could of been replaced by Vince Carter or Paul Pierce and you woulda got the same results".
im not touching the subject of howard being a focal point in houston, because he is, not arguing that.
but what i highlighted in bold, do you really put that on howard? Howard put in his work, but he was by far not the guy that made things happen, Hedo, Lewis, Nelson were balling at those times.
making correct decisions and they had nice chemistry, with of course everybody baby feeding the ball to dwight while everyone else is on the 3pt line. but they were a fun team, although i wasnt a howard fan.
Howard Leading the team is a bit misleading, yes he gets the minutes, the touches for the points and hes a great rebounder and blocker, but dude isnt taking control on the floor. it was hedo, nelson and Lewis.
And hell, even in the 09 playoffs, it was Rafer Alston (who everyone forgets put it work for the magic that year) hedo and lewis that was going off. if it wasnt for hedo and lewis they wouldnt of had that chance to win game 2 (the game where lee missed the point blank game winning layup).
and awful??? they were the 3rd seed in the east, nobody besides the cavs or boston were a threat to them. they were winning games and they were pretty relevant for the past couple years before that 09 team as well.
i dont really understand why you say they were awful, they werent. and they had a better record than everyone in the western conference besides the lakers, and they swept the regular season series too (i looked it up, because i remember the magic of being a pretty relevant force, a Mavs of the east coast, a team just lingering there, but were never favorites)
Nelson/Alston/Johnson
Lee/Redick
Turkoglu/Pietrus
Lewis/Battie
Howard/Gortat
they werent an awful team, their standings and their play speak for itself, but they werent beating the lakers that year. i dont think any offense that is so 3pt orientated is going to be consistent enough to win all the ways towards the finals.
i just really dont like howard getting credit where its not due.
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i still think the Houston vs Lakers 2009 playoffs series was more entertaining then the Celtics vs Bulls that year
mainly due to Artest
it blew my mind when it went to 7 games. there was legit fear in lakerland at that time. but ron was droppin bombs that series.
lol i think me and you had a huge fight over it a while back. i still love the celtics vs bulls series more, i got no connection with both, but ray allen vs ben gordon was just a sight to see.
Lol I remember that. Very entertaining playoffs that year overall.
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Dwight led an awful roster to the NBA Finals.
Dwight is clearly a focal point on the Rockets. I know you don't realize it because when you're in homer mode you just say whatever wreckless thing comes to mind, but you're pretty much comparing his value to the Rockets as like Robert Sacre could just be traded for Dwight straight up & nothing would change for either team. He's a focal point. He doesn't have to be the #1 scoring option to be focal for them though.
He's incredible defensively & rebounding. He's a presence down low no matter how you want to slice it. He creates things for his teammates that wouldn't be there if he wasn't down there. If that's not being focal, I don't know what is.
Your whole attitude towards this (despite we all know it's as biased as ever), is the equivalent of me saying Kobe wasn't focal to the OG Lakers threepeat. Something like, "yeah, first of all...he wasn't the number one option on offense...he was number two. And secondly...he just played his role in Phil Jackson's offense...sure his ability to create for himself came in handy but he easily could of been replaced by Vince Carter or Paul Pierce and you woulda got the same results".
no you dont get it...to address ur first point, like i said before, even that rocket team led by artest woulda made the finals in the east. dwight was a glorified garbage man on that orlando team. sure, he was important to their success, but the offense didnt run through him, it revolved around the three point line, dwight was there to clean up the garbage and gobble up spoon fed dunks due to stan van gundy's spread offense, 4 three point shooters drawing the defense out, leaving the middle open for dwight to reap the benefits. his main strength was on defense, by far... this doesnt make dwight a franchise player.. he was exposed as a bust first option in the 1st round of last years playoffs. that made it pretty clear dwight would never be the centerpiece of a successful franchise. u think if pg, cp3, lebron, kobe, durant, step curry, shit, any LEGIT franchise player was playing, they'd go out like that? hell naah.
now, for the rockets, i never said he's not important...but a focal point of that team? naah. nothing revolves around him, he's there, again, mainly to collect garbage and hold the middle down, which asik has proven he can do if dwight goes down. its not like if shaq went down, the team was fucked. when dwight is down, rockets still look as good, give or take, because theyre not really dependent on dwight .. does he help? no doubt...and i'm not sayin he's a sacre, but his value is more in that of a marcus camby or a horace grant if u wanna go back.
kobe was wayyyyyy more important to the lakers threepeat than dwight is to the current rockets lmfao, terrible comparison.
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Loon3y...other than LeBron's Cavs or Iverson's Sixers, name me a worse roster to make the NBA Finals.
NIK, I can see where you're coming from in a Houston perspective. But I'll never agree on Orlando, you got that backwards. Those three point shooters reaped the benefits of Dwight being down there, completely collapsing things ALLOWING Hedo and Lewis and Nelson to thrive from deep. No shot a Marcus Camby or Tyson Chandler in that role, gets the same defensive attention.