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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Hack Wilson - real on October 12, 2014, 04:31:39 PM
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WTF? THE ONE TIME I ROOT FOR SEATTLE AND THIS IS HOW THEY GOTTA DO ME????
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I had this all week. Romo's careless throwing and that o-line being able to protect the QB is exactly what did the Seahawks in against SD, and I knew it would happen again this week. Seattle is like that big fat childhood bully who picks on you as much as you let him, but one sock to the eye and he runs home crying. The only problem is you have to hit him right in the eye or your dead. Romo's daring nature easily could have backfired into a Seattle blowout.
P.S. all this Russel Wilson is elite QB noise needs to stop. He's a solid QB who has great play making abilities, but he's surrounded by a monster doing all the heavy lifting. He's not a top 10 QB, he just looks like one because he's on a top 3 team. Just like Brady in 01-04. I will say that I have seen more out of Russel than I saw out of Tom in those years.
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I had this all week. Romo's careless throwing and that o-line being able to protect the QB is exactly what did the Seahawks in against SD, and I knew it would happen again this week. Seattle is like that big fat childhood bully who picks on you as much as you let him, but one sock to the eye and he runs home crying. The only problem is you have to hit him right in the eye or your dead. Romo's daring nature easily could have backfired into a Seattle blowout.
P.S. all this Russel Wilson is elite QB noise needs to stop. He's a solid QB who has great play making abilities, but he's surrounded by a monster doing all the heavy lifting. He's not a top 10 QB, he just looks like one because he's on a top 3 team. Just like Brady in 01-04. I will say that I have seen more out of Russel than I saw out of Tom in those years.
14/28 126 yards and an INT
yuck! that's Geno like
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
He's better right now than 01 and 02 Brady for sure. 03 and 04 are where it's debatable. I'll concede he is not nearly the pocket passer that 03/04 Brady was, but 03/04 Brady was not an elite level pocket passer. I think his best year was 05. That's including 07, and last year. Russel has a way to go before I say he's better than or as good as 05 Brady, but Russell's ability to scramble and make a play make up for his lack of pocket ability; compared to 03/04 Brady.
(assuming you were even watching the NFL at the same level you watch it now, back in 03/04)
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
If the only argument was whether Wilson is a very good QB then you won't hear many people saying See I told you so. He is very good and would be a welcome starter and playmaker to most teams in the NFL. He's simply not top 10, and definitely not top 5. But the way the media treated him after the win with the BS "Russel beats Peyton 43-8" mumbo jumbo, it got everyone severely overhyping him. And that's where the backlash started.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
i will give Wilson credit for having less weapons than Kaep does (but he does have the better RB) but it seems like yesterday was the first game I saw Russell play where he didn't run at least 5x
i am still very disappointed in him for losing that game yesterday. I put it squarely on his shoulderes.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
If the only argument was whether Wilson is a very good QB then you won't hear many people saying See I told you so. He is very good and would be a welcome starter and playmaker to most teams in the NFL. He's simply not top 10, and definitely not top 5. But the way the media treated him after the win with the BS "Russel beats Peyton 43-8" mumbo jumbo, it got everyone severely overhyping him. And that's where the backlash started.
I'll give you top 5, but I can't really think of 10 other QB's that I would rather have, especially on this team. Plus, considering how hard the guy works there's no reason to say he's not going to continue to get better As far as young QB's in the NFL, I can see wanting Luck over him, but outside of that there's nobody I'd rather have. I'm a fan of Cam Newton but his attitude still rubs me the wrong way at times. That's funny that you heard it as "Russell beat Peyton" all I heard all offseason was based on how dominant the defense was, the "elite" conversation didn't really seem to start until a few weeks ago.
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Everything Shallow said about Russell prior to the Brady sentence I one billion percent agree with. Mightily overrated. Was yelling at people and my boys at the bars about that.
Won a lot on this game. Fucking hyped. How bout them Cowboys.
i kinda think Wilson, Kaep and all the other running QB's will get figured out within 5 years of their careers or less. it's why pocket passers are always the ones with the long careers.
Wilson isn't a running QB the way Kapernick is though. While he was bad today Wilson is a good passer that has the ability to run whereas Kap is more willing to run downfield. Wilson did have 100 yds against the Redskins last week, but that's more of an exception than the norm. Dude had moreTD passes in his first two seasons of any QB outside of Dan Marino, so he's much more than just a running QB. Wilson just tends to just play smarter in general. As far as where he's at as a QB, of course it's helped him to come onto a team with the running game/defense that the Hawks had. But at the same time, Wilson has had some great games when other areas were failing, the guys just a flat out playermaker, and has played the last season + with a makeshift O-Line that is just not good when it comes to pass blocking. While he obviously had a bad game today, it's not fair to just look at this game as representative of his career and say "SEE I TOLD YOU" when he's been very good much more often than not.
i will give Wilson credit for having less weapons than Kaep does (but he does have the better RB) but it seems like yesterday was the first game I saw Russell play where he didn't run at least 5x
i am still very disappointed in him for losing that game yesterday. I put it squarely on his shoulderes.
Well, he is going to use his legs at times, my only point was that when you say "running QB" it makes me think of someone like Vince Young or Mike Vick where if you don't let him run downfield he's not going to do much. There's a lot to like about him as a passer as well.
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Mike Vick could throw bombs. he wasn't accurate on short or medium passes but damn he had a cannon.
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I'll give you top 5, but I can't really think of 10 other QB's that I would rather have, especially on this team. Plus, considering how hard the guy works there's no reason to say he's not going to continue to get better As far as young QB's in the NFL, I can see wanting Luck over him, but outside of that there's nobody I'd rather have. I'm a fan of Cam Newton but his attitude still rubs me the wrong way at times. That's funny that you heard it as "Russell beat Peyton" all I heard all offseason was based on how dominant the defense was, the "elite" conversation didn't really seem to start until a few weeks ago.
I'm not saying he won't won day be top 10, he arguably already is, or even that top 5 is out of reach. It isn't. He shows a lot of skill and a lot of promise. When I say top 10 right now I mean are there 10 QBs right now I would draft before Wilson if I'm putting together a team to win a ring. And for me it's a yes. Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ben, Romo, Eli (yes Eli), and Luck. That's 9 QBs I would take over Wilson with out even thinking about it. For that 10th spot on the list I wouldn't have a problem giving it to Wilson, but it could just as easily go to Cutler, Ryan, Flacco, or Stafford. And to be honest I expect big things for the rest of the season from Carson, Hoyer, Foles, Cam if healthy.
I'll take Russel over Kaep, Alex Smith, Orton, Dalton, Tannehill, and that bunch and I'll do it easily. But I don't see the Seahawks losing last year or being any worse this year with the guys I mentioned at the end of the list on the above paragraph.
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I'll give you top 5, but I can't really think of 10 other QB's that I would rather have, especially on this team. Plus, considering how hard the guy works there's no reason to say he's not going to continue to get better As far as young QB's in the NFL, I can see wanting Luck over him, but outside of that there's nobody I'd rather have. I'm a fan of Cam Newton but his attitude still rubs me the wrong way at times. That's funny that you heard it as "Russell beat Peyton" all I heard all offseason was based on how dominant the defense was, the "elite" conversation didn't really seem to start until a few weeks ago.
I'm not saying he won't won day be top 10, he arguably already is, or even that top 5 is out of reach. It isn't. He shows a lot of skill and a lot of promise. When I say top 10 right now I mean are there 10 QBs right now I would draft before Wilson if I'm putting together a team to win a ring. And for me it's a yes. Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ben, Romo, Eli (yes Eli), and Luck. That's 9 QBs I would take over Wilson with out even thinking about it. For that 10th spot on the list I wouldn't have a problem giving it to Wilson, but it could just as easily go to Cutler, Ryan, Flacco, or Stafford. And to be honest I expect big things for the rest of the season from Carson, Hoyer, Foles, Cam if healthy.
I'll take Russel over Kaep, Alex Smith, Orton, Dalton, Tannehill, and that bunch and I'll do it easily. But I don't see the Seahawks losing last year or being any worse this year with the guys I mentioned at the end of the list on the above paragraph.
I don't know man, our O-Line is just flat out bad right now, I feel like if you don't have someone back there that can extend plays in the pocket you're gonna be on your ass all day. I wouldn't argue with most of those guys as far as bringing a team immediate success, but if we're talking just one year I'd still rather have him over Ben, Eli and Romo. But as far as the Seahawks are concerned I hate the idea of having a traditional pocket passer behind that (currently) horrible pass blocking.
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I don't have any sympathy for Sherman in all this, cause dude brings it all on himself with how much he talks. But this idea that he's been "exposed" is a complete joke. Dez Bryant had two catches for 20 some yards when Sherman was covering him. Two catches. Dez even said after the game that Sherm is agruably the best in the league. The guy could have five picks and allow one reception and people would still make a bunch of memes about the one reception.
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
"Can't move from the right side," that's the Seahawks defensive scheme, it's not like that's Sherman's idea or something. Plus, when Maxwell went out he switched over to Bryant, so that argument doesn't really work. Plus, what's wrong with guarding one side of the field instead of playing man? Does that make Deion Sanders overrated too? Also, does him playing with other good players means he's not capable? Our three CB's behind him are hurt, Chancellor is hurt, and our D-Line has had a lot of trouble putting any pressure on the QB, so I would slow your role there. Lol "loser" I remember you talking about how he was gonna pick-6 Manning last year, what happened?
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When you put big money on Seattle to win the Super Bowl, you need certain things to happen.
And yeah, the defense isn't as elite as last year and it shows. Pass rush took a hit and those extra seconds he's left out in coverage shows. Like I said, he's probably the 4th best cornerback in the league. But he's not the run away Deion back in the day or Revis Island on the Jets greatest in the game. That's where talking shit and sports being so media driven comes into play. Quality player though.
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seattle's defense is a LOT weaker than it was last year
i for one am shocked
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I had this all week. Romo's careless throwing and that o-line being able to protect the QB is exactly what did the Seahawks in against SD, and I knew it would happen again this week.
You obviously didn't watch the Chargers-Seahawks game. Careless throwing? Rivers had 284 yards (and 0 INTs) despite not throwing a pass over 21 yards. It was the opposite of careless throwing. They threw a bunch of short/medium passes and threw the ball under in order to gain yards. Anytime the Seahawks secondary gave the Chargers receivers a cushion, they exploited it. If anything, it was a very precise passing game that gave the Seahawks defense so much trouble. An emphasis on quicker throws so the QB can't get sacked and precision passing so that crazy secondary couldn't get any INTs was their game plan. I didn't watch the Cowboys game, so I have no idea what they did.
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why didn't you watch, Teddy?
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seattle's defense is a LOT weaker than it was last year
i for one am shocked
Yeah, lost a few good players on the d-line and backfield but injuries have killed them as well. I haven't been impressed either, they'll need to step it up.
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When you put big money on Seattle to win the Super Bowl, you need certain things to happen.
And yeah, the defense isn't as elite as last year and it shows. Pass rush took a hit and those extra seconds he's left out in coverage shows. Like I said, he's probably the 4th best cornerback in the league. But he's not the run away Deion back in the day or Revis Island on the Jets greatest in the game. That's where talking shit and sports being so media driven comes into play. Quality player though.
I'm not saying he's the undisputed best in the league, my point is that people who hate on Sherm always use the argument of him lining up on one side of the field like it's his idea or something when it's just the team's defensive scheme. There's zero proof that he wouldn't thrive in another system, and the guy has done fine when the team assigns him to man coverage, and in general the dude's made big plays since he came into the league in 2011 before the Hawks were even an elite team.
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I had this all week. Romo's careless throwing and that o-line being able to protect the QB is exactly what did the Seahawks in against SD, and I knew it would happen again this week.
You obviously didn't watch the Chargers-Seahawks game. Careless throwing? Rivers had 284 yards (and 0 INTs) despite not throwing a pass over 21 yards. It was the opposite of careless throwing. They threw a bunch of short/medium passes and threw the ball under in order to gain yards. Anytime the Seahawks secondary gave the Chargers receivers a cushion, they exploited it. If anything, it was a very precise passing game that gave the Seahawks defense so much trouble. An emphasis on quicker throws so the QB can't get sacked and precision passing so that crazy secondary couldn't get any INTs was their game plan. I didn't watch the Cowboys game, so I have no idea what they did.
Forgive me, I didn't mean careless as in every, most, or even a lot of throws were Brett Favre like miracle attempts. I meant to say the extreme careful nature that the BRoncos showed, and the Packers is what did them in, so I'm just using the opposite of careful. Yes the quick short throws in space helped, although Denver did the same to no avail in both games against these Seahawks, and it worked for SD and not for Denver for a very simple reason in my opinion. Rivers and Romo forced the Seattle DBs to give cushions because of how they would force a handful of throws right into the gut of the secondary. Peyton didn't want to make mistakes early in that game, and of course the receivers not wanting to get hit also helped a lot. Rivers had a few key throws that most teams are afraid to make against Seattle. It made a difference.
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
I say something similar about Brady and I'm a hater and an idiot.
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what a bad ass game, only true Cowboy fans knew we could pull this one off as long as Romo stayed on point... i won a shitload of money from this game
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_lqWDGBjQ4&list=UU8EE4Ut5WkXHqMZJcd2vG3w
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i think the Seahawks better beat the Eagles or they might find themselves on the outside of the playoffs
Cardinals, 49ers, Cowgirls, Eagles and Seahawks
only 4 of them can make it
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
I say something similar about Brady and I'm a hater and an idiot.
Yeah, except I'm saying Sherman is still a strong option to have but heavily benefitted as a corner last year from an elite pass rush and you say Brady is the last reason the Patriots ever came close to winning three Superbowls and almost went undefeated...including the punter.
I say Sherman is overrated but still great for the day and age of cornerbacks...but overrated and you say Brady is Brad Johnson with longevity. So close...but not really lol.
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
I say something similar about Brady and I'm a hater and an idiot.
Yeah, except I'm saying Sherman is still a strong option to have but heavily benefitted as a corner last year from an elite pass rush and you say Brady is the last reason the Patriots ever came close to winning three Superbowls and almost went undefeated...including the punter.
I say Sherman is overrated but still great for the day and age of cornerbacks...but overrated and you say Brady is Brad Johnson with longevity. So close...but not really lol.
Sherman can't cover Calvin, that's for sure
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
I say something similar about Brady and I'm a hater and an idiot.
Yeah, except I'm saying Sherman is still a strong option to have but heavily benefitted as a corner last year from an elite pass rush and you say Brady is the last reason the Patriots ever came close to winning three Superbowls and almost went undefeated...including the punter.
I say Sherman is overrated but still great for the day and age of cornerbacks...but overrated and you say Brady is Brad Johnson with longevity. So close...but not really lol.
Sherman can't cover Calvin, that's for sure
Lol "that's for sure". He's more likely to get burned by a small speed-based player than a big guy like CJ.
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i say this because nobody can cover Calvin
except Revis in his prime
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Sherman is so overrated. He plays with like seven other Pro Bowlers on defense and can't move from the right side. He's a good cornerback, mostly due to his size, but straight coverage, I'll take Revis, Peterson, Haden and most slept on, Jimmy Smith to handle individual matchups.
Plus him being a loser doesn't help his image in my eyes.
I say something similar about Brady and I'm a hater and an idiot.
Yeah, except I'm saying Sherman is still a strong option to have but heavily benefitted as a corner last year from an elite pass rush and you say Brady is the last reason the Patriots ever came close to winning three Superbowls and almost went undefeated...including the punter.
I say Sherman is overrated but still great for the day and age of cornerbacks...but overrated and you say Brady is Brad Johnson with longevity. So close...but not really lol.
No, I said Brady was the third most important reason on the offensive side of those wins. I'll give him the nod over Adam but not over the o-line and OC. I never said he was Brad Johnson. I said he was Troy Aikman. Good QB on a juggernaut team whose biggest strength was knowing his limitations. Just keep him out of the MVP and Rushmore talks and I'm fine with him.
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WTF? THE ONE TIME I ROOT FOR SEATTLE AND THIS IS HOW THEY GOTTA DO ME????
Few teams in sports do me like that. The steelers, LSU & USC. Where I really want them 2 beat someone I hate & they lay eggs >:( That sucked. But its the giants who have the most problems in seattle, dallas in the past was successful in seattle. Cincinnati is the cowboys house of horrors. I'll give them credit 4 not self destructing like they usually do in big games. They're finally getting the message, run more like their past championship teams do. With Emmitt, dorsett, & past rb's they won SB's with. They're 5-1, but too bad the people in Texas don't care anymore because of Jeritol's ego & attitude & meddling. He finally drove a lot of them away. 14 people on the internet called it quits with them & their fans are still giving away tickets to the road team. But jaytee told me that he is friend with these other lousy owners who love driving fans away. The 4 horsemen of the fan alienating apocalypse. With Donald Sterling, Al Davis, & Jerry Reinsdork. Things are making sense.
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P.S. all this Russel Wilson is elite QB noise needs to stop. He's a solid QB who has great play making abilities, but he's surrounded by a monster doing all the heavy lifting. He's not a top 10 QB, he just looks like one because he's on a top 3 team -shallow
finally we agree on something