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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: MOBNigga06 on February 10, 2015, 07:49:02 AM
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Been bumping a lot of Fatal songs lately and noticed many lines that sound like disses towards Napoleon (and partially the other Outlawz for continuing to work with him).
Am I correct in thinking that Fatal and Napoleon never recorded any songs together after Yak's death? I'm pretty sure that Fatal only re-joined the Outlawz after Napoleon was out of the group.
Also, Fatal seems to imply on a lot of songs that he intends to kill Napo's cousin Roddy (the dude who killed Yak) and other people he thinks are responsible for Yak's death. On the Noble/Fatal album (Thug In Thug Out), there's a song with the hook "Tell your boy he make noise he gon eat that shit, I gave my word to Kadafi I'mma keep that shit." And another song where the hook goes "he gon have to die like he killed Killa Kadaf."
Pac heads should shed some light here.
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interesting... and could you post up the names of a few Fatal tracks you've been feeling so I can check them out
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interesting... and could you post up the names of a few Fatal tracks you've been feeling so I can check them out
Some tracks with dope Fatal verses that come to mind:
Letter to Pac
Hella Bars (w/ Noble)
Killa Kadaf (w/ Noble)
Gangsta Party Part 2 (w/ Noble & Daz)
Call Em Up
Everyday
All of Fatal's verses on Perfect Timing
Lots of good Fatal verses on Jerzey Giantz
Fatal's verse on the Outlawz remix of Tupac Back stands out to me too
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napoleon and fatal did many songs after Pac's death
That's Life is a song with just the 2 of them in fact
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napoleon and fatal did many songs after Pac's death
That's Life is a song with just the 2 of them in fact
Many songs? I looked through my stuff and found just one other one (I Wanna Be Free).
I doubt it could be many songs. I would guess that there was a time when they talked and tensions were lowered, but deep down, it seems that Fatal resented Napoleon and everyone associated with Napo's neighborhood on account of Kadafi's death.
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http://www.filedropper.com/04-thatslife
many not many songs but there's one with just the 2 of them
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they were also on the songs We Gone Ride (Yukmouth ft Outlawz)
and songs on Retribution made after Pac died like Mr. Makaveli and Pass the Heat
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Fatal's interview with hitemup.com had him saying a lot of good things about Napolean, and I think it was from 2003.
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they collabed on 5 songs after 1996 to be exact
Fatal/Napoleon - That's Life
Yukmouth feat. The Outlawz - We Gone Ride
Fatal feat. The Outlawz - I Wanna Be Free
The Outlawz feat. New Child - Killaz In Here
Regime/Outlawz - Last Man Standing
Fatal was also supposed to be on The Outlawz "Lost And Turned Out"
but I'm not sure if his verse was even recorded for that song
Outlawz/Fatal had a falling out after Pac & Kadafi died
but they hooked back up when they were both signed to rap-a-lot and collabed on some tracks
after that they had another falling out and there were some disses exchanged ("Loyalty" etc.)
they had an off and on relationship but now they are cool so I don't think there's any bad blood
Fatal had a problem with the cousin who shot Kadafi but I think he never blamed that on Napoleon
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they collabed on 5 songs after 1996 to be exact
Fatal/Napoleon - That's Life
Yukmouth feat. The Outlawz - We Gone Ride
Fatal feat. The Outlawz - I Wanna Be Free
The Outlawz feat. New Child - Killaz In Here
Regime/Outlawz - Last Man Standing
Fatal was also supposed to be on The Outlawz "Lost And Turned Out"
but I'm not sure if his verse was even recorded for that song
Outlawz/Fatal had a falling out after Pac & Kadafi died
but they hooked back up when they were both signed to rap-a-lot and collabed on some tracks
after that they had another falling out and there were some disses exchanged ("Loyalty" etc.)
they had an off and on relationship but now they are cool so I don't think there's any bad blood
Fatal had a problem with the cousin who shot Kadafi but I think he never blamed that on Napoleon
you forgot Mr. Makaveli and Pass The Heat
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they collabed on 5 songs after 1996 to be exact
Fatal/Napoleon - That's Life
Yukmouth feat. The Outlawz - We Gone Ride
Fatal feat. The Outlawz - I Wanna Be Free
The Outlawz feat. New Child - Killaz In Here
Regime/Outlawz - Last Man Standing
Fatal was also supposed to be on The Outlawz "Lost And Turned Out"
but I'm not sure if his verse was even recorded for that song
Outlawz/Fatal had a falling out after Pac & Kadafi died
but they hooked back up when they were both signed to rap-a-lot and collabed on some tracks
after that they had another falling out and there were some disses exchanged ("Loyalty" etc.)
they had an off and on relationship but now they are cool so I don't think there's any bad blood
Fatal had a problem with the cousin who shot Kadafi but I think he never blamed that on Napoleon
you forgot Mr. Makaveli and Pass The Heat
Notice that in my original post I did not say "since Pac's death" but rather "since Yak's death" - the source of Fatal's beef with Napoleon.
Mr. Makaveli was obviously composed before Yak's death, since Yak is on it. As for the date of Pass the Heat, I wouldn't be surprised if this track also was recorded in the period between Pac's death and Yak's death, since we know that many of the songs on Retribution must have been recorded during that time span (this is obvious for the songs that Yak is on like Still Mournin).
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they collabed on 5 songs after 1996 to be exact
Fatal/Napoleon - That's Life
Yukmouth feat. The Outlawz - We Gone Ride
Fatal feat. The Outlawz - I Wanna Be Free
The Outlawz feat. New Child - Killaz In Here
Regime/Outlawz - Last Man Standing
Fatal was also supposed to be on The Outlawz "Lost And Turned Out"
but I'm not sure if his verse was even recorded for that song
Outlawz/Fatal had a falling out after Pac & Kadafi died
but they hooked back up when they were both signed to rap-a-lot and collabed on some tracks
after that they had another falling out and there were some disses exchanged ("Loyalty" etc.)
they had an off and on relationship but now they are cool so I don't think there's any bad blood
Fatal had a problem with the cousin who shot Kadafi but I think he never blamed that on Napoleon
Thanks for this info, homie.
Interesting how on Loyalty the only Outlaw who really disses Fatal hard is Napoleon, talking bout how he's gonna put a slug in him and how his "family's strong" (as if to say, "stop threatening Roddy").
On which songs does Fatal diss the Outlawz?
I've noticed that Fatal says in various places (even on his new album The Interview) that he won't make songs with any of Pac's enemies. This seems to me like a sideways diss at the Lawz for squashing the beef with Lil Cease and Mobb Deep (among others). Fatal definitely one of the most hardheaded and crazy loyal niggas alive.
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It was mostly Mobb Deep who Fatal really didn't like out of Pac's enemies, and he never really seemed to want to patch things up with them, even when the Outlawz did, particularly because they kept talking shit.
Remember that in an interview, he even said that he would make a song with Jay-Z, but because Jay-Z was cool about it and showed respect to Pac, particularly after Pac died, and he respected that. Conversely, in the same interview, he said, "Fuck Snoop, fuck Daz Dillinger" (though he later retracted dissing Snoop and said Snoop was an "alright guy").
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never once heard of the Outlawz having internal beef lol I'm sure they got into a few squabbles here and there on some brother ish but doubt they'd turn it into rap beef with one another or hold permanent grudges especially with Pac gone
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No, Fatal was REALLY pissed before about how they handled themselves in Vegas and what they did afterward. And he was vocal about it.
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No, Fatal was REALLY pissed before about how they handled themselves in Vegas and what they did afterward. And he was vocal about it.
that's a different story, more so just saying what HE would have done had he been there
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I always thought Napoleon was dissing Fatal on "Loyalty" but he doesn't call him out by name does he?
When did Fatal drop a new album?
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No, Fatal was REALLY pissed before about how they handled themselves in Vegas and what they did afterward. And he was vocal about it.
that's a different story, more so just saying what HE would have done had he been there
No, he said they were in the car "screaming like some little bitches, yelling at the top of their lungs" instead of doing something, and he was mad that they were rapping in songs afterward talking about how they wished they could've done something
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No, Fatal was REALLY pissed before about how they handled themselves in Vegas and what they did afterward. And he was vocal about it.
that's a different story, more so just saying what HE would have done had he been there
No, he said they were in the car "screaming like some little bitches, yelling at the top of their lungs" instead of doing something, and he was mad that they were rapping in songs afterward talking about how they wished they could've done something
once again, that's just him keeping it a buck and saying he didn't agree with how they handled shit it's not like he left the group immediately after and went on a rampage dissing them for it lol
to play devil's advocate here whose to say Fatal also wouldn't have been in the car "screaming like a little bitch" with them had he been there, it's easy to say what you would or wouldn't do if you're not there the moment shit pops off
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fatal woulda jumped out the car behind Pac and shot up the car with Orlando in it
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I always thought Napoleon was dissing Fatal on "Loyalty" but he doesn't call him out by name does he?
When did Fatal drop a new album?
Fatal dropped The Interview: It's Not a Gimmik 2 Me in 2013. It's a pretty good album, in my opinion, particularly because it has very few features on it. I prefer Fatal over everyone he collaborates with, so it's great to have an album full of songs with 3 Fatal verses. Production on it is cheap, but I still like it.
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It was mostly Mobb Deep who Fatal really didn't like out of Pac's enemies, and he never really seemed to want to patch things up with them, even when the Outlawz did, particularly because they kept talking shit.
Remember that in an interview, he even said that he would make a song with Jay-Z, but because Jay-Z was cool about it and showed respect to Pac, particularly after Pac died, and he respected that. Conversely, in the same interview, he said, "Fuck Snoop, fuck Daz Dillinger" (though he later retracted dissing Snoop and said Snoop was an "alright guy").
Could you tell us a little more about Fatal's beef with Mobb Deep?
I noticed he throws many disses at Nas on the Interview album because Nas lied about the MTV awards.
Fatal's criticism of the Outlawz sounds kinda nonsensical, but I think there's a deeper aspect to it: Fatal was probably the only Outlaw who always stayed strapped and ready to shoot. So he would have blasted back at the car that shot Pac, while the other Outlawz couldn't have done that even if they wanted, cause they don't stay strapped. Fatal's beef with them really was that none of them were adequately equipped to protect their big homie.
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They wack as fuck so whos give a fuck?
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Can anyone hook me up with the following albums?
Hussein Fatal – Born Legendary
Hussein Fatal – The Interview: It's Not A Gimmik 2 Me
Nutt-So & Hussein Fatal – Outkasted Outlawz
Would be greatly appreciated ;D
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They wack as fuck so whos give a fuck?
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On which songs does Fatal diss the Outlawz?
He responded directly to "Loyalty" on the Intro of a Jerzey Mob mixtape Vol. 1
There's actually 2 Vol. 1 mixtapes though
one is Outlaw Records Presents Jerzey Mob with alot of features from the Outlawz came out in 2001
and there's another one with a totally different tracklist, hosted by Fatal, that came out in 2002
The one with Fatal is the one I'm talking about
Plus there are alot of Fatal lyrics that are pretty obviously aimed at the Outlawz
And Blood$ is right, to call it a beef is exaggerated
It's more like a big brother being mad at his little brother for doing something wrong
More like a lack or communication and collaboration than real trouble
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the outlawz couldnt even go to yak funeral becasue fatal was waiting with a gun. tookawhile for them to patch things up. think it was about 04 when things where cool again.
look at it from fatals pont off view, mutahs cousin killed his best friend. that said best friend was the reason for mutah be be around pac. yaks girl said that it wasnt a accident (she seen it happen through the front door peep hole)
yaks family wont even talk to most of the 'laws now.
the they took all of fatals verses off everything he did with pac.
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yeah when I met Napoleon back in 2008 he said something about how one time he was in traffic and the car next to him was Yak's mom
she wouldn't even roll down the window to talk to him, she just looked the other way.
Napo and the rest of the LAwz (besides Fatal) fucked up doing that Source magazine interview saying Kadafi's death was an accident. I used to have that issue. They covered for Roddy hardcore.
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
must of felt like a kick in the guts to her when they put muzamil in the group aswel.
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
must of felt like a kick in the guts to her when they put muzamil in the group aswel.
this is what i think of these 2 and the rest of the wacklawz
(http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_u/thumbs/2014/Apr/26/0501c6dfaf62_sf_7.jpg)
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
Haha yup. I remember thinking that too, but I knew it wasn't him. Edi was trying to look like a boss and was on his cell phone in the pic.
It didn't take until 2004 for them to patch things up, it was in 2002, 2003 at the latest. Remember Fatal was on the Outlawz Worldwide DVD, and he was talking about how they were cool again and how he can "be hot under the collar" at times, then it cut to Napolean mentioning that the rift involved "some internet shit," likely referring to the first interview Fatal did with hitemup.com where he went at them hard.
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
Haha yup. I remember thinking that too, but I knew it wasn't him. Edi was trying to look like a boss and was on his cell phone in the pic.
It didn't take until 2004 for them to patch things up, it was in 2002, 2003 at the latest. Remember Fatal was on the Outlawz Worldwide DVD, and he was talking about how they were cool again and how he can "be hot under the collar" at times, then it cut to Napolean mentioning that the rift involved "some internet shit," likely referring to the first interview Fatal did with hitemup.com where he went at them hard.
Does that interview still exist anywhere on the internet? I'd be very interested to see it.
How many songs has Muzamil done with the Lawz? I can't imagine it to be too many of them. Fucked up how they put that nigga on some songs on Better Dayz when I don't think he ever did a track with Pac while Pac was alive.
On a different note, it seems people in these thread believe that Yak's death was not an accident. That's news to me, since I thought the general consensus was that it was accidental. At least, that's what Napoleon always said. Roddy went into hiding in fear of retaliation, then Napo convinced him to turn himself in for it. But maybe that's a bullshit lie? If Yak's girlfriend witnessed it, then Roddy knew he wasn't going to get away with murder, so he just turned himself in and claimed it was accidental.
Does anyone know if there's been any retaliation against Roddy? Fatal raps about wanting revenge for Yak's death on a ton of songs, so it seems strange for him to talk all that shit and do nothing about it. Then again, this Roddy nigga is a nobody, so he mighta been merked and we'd not hear about it on the internet.
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roddy probably moved to Panama like the guy who killed Proof
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this is what i think of these 2 and the rest of the wacklawz
who cares?
imagine what it looked like if I would join every thread I don't care about and post something like this
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this is what i think of these 2 and the rest of the wacklawz
who cares?
imagine what it looked like if I would join every thread I don't care about and post something like this
imagine every thread about irrelevant rappers no one gives a shit about oh wait we here :D
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well the thread is already two pages deep so obviously people are interested
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well the thread is already two pages deep so obviously people are interested
only here on dub anywhere else out of dub no lol
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yeah but what better place though ? that's what this forum is specifically for. you speak about it like it's a sin or it's shameful, lol when it's always been one of the purposes of this very forum. I fail to see how it is abnormal, bad or worthy of disdain. If you don't like it, then that's your opinion, but don't act surprised to see the Outlawz discussed on a forum created in the early 00's by fans of golden age westcoast rap. you sometimes too create topics about artists from the same era.
it's like reproaching a bakery with selling bread "man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so, that goes to show how to touch they are"
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yeah but what better place though ? that's what this forum is specifically for. you speak about it like it's a sin or it's shameful, lol when it's always been one of the purposes of this very forum. I fail to see how it is abnormal, bad or worthy of disdain. If you don't like it, then that's your opinion, but don't act surprised to see the Outlawz discussed on a forum created in the early 00's by fans of golden age westcoast rap. you sometimes too create topics about artists from the same era.
it's like reproaching a bakery with selling bread "man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so, that goes to show how to touch they are"
yeah i been seeing the trend for years bout this forum specifically for washed up westcoast artist
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Anybody who thinks Fatal is wack should be shot.
Anybody who posts in threads about subjects they don't care about needs a life.
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yeah but what better place though ? that's what this forum is specifically for. you speak about it like it's a sin or it's shameful, lol when it's always been one of the purposes of this very forum. I fail to see how it is abnormal, bad or worthy of disdain. If you don't like it, then that's your opinion, but don't act surprised to see the Outlawz discussed on a forum created in the early 00's by fans of golden age westcoast rap. you sometimes too create topics about artists from the same era.
it's like reproaching a bakery with selling bread "man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so, that goes to show how to touch they are"
yeah i been seeing the trend for years bout this forum specifically for washed up westcoast artist
Whether they are washed up or not is beside the point. You know the theme of the forum, its idiotic to complain about it. If its been going on for years its not a trend lol, simply the main focus of the forum. Once again dont act surprised to see the outlawz discussed when you your self post threads about albums they were a significant part of.
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Anybody who thinks Fatal is wack should be shot.
Anybody who posts in threads about subjects they don't care about needs a life.
come shoot me mr MOBNigga lol
u stuck in the 90s fucks need a life cause the 90s been over
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yeah but what better place though ? that's what this forum is specifically for. you speak about it like it's a sin or it's shameful, lol when it's always been one of the purposes of this very forum. I fail to see how it is abnormal, bad or worthy of disdain. If you don't like it, then that's your opinion, but don't act surprised to see the Outlawz discussed on a forum created in the early 00's by fans of golden age westcoast rap. you sometimes too create topics about artists from the same era.
it's like reproaching a bakery with selling bread "man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so, that goes to show how to touch they are"
yeah i been seeing the trend for years bout this forum specifically for washed up westcoast artist
Whether they are washed up or not is beside the point. You know the theme of the forum, its idiotic to complain about it. If its been going on for years its not a trend lol, simply the main focus of the forum. Once again dont act surprised to see the outlawz discussed when you your self post threads about albums they were a significant part of.
the theme is west coast artist technically these aren't west coast artist
and this forum was to talk about west coast artist not the same old songs all the time look here http://www.dubcnn.com/
anybody talking about 20 - 25 year old songs or artist FUCK NO
its stupid fucks like you who are stuck in the past trying to relive your glory days lol
how the fuck is this forum supposed to move forward when people here talking about artist 25 years ago that nobody but dub and euros who know no better give a fuck about how the fuck new artist are supposed to come up here
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well the thread is already two pages deep so obviously people are interested
this
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the theme is west coast artist technically these aren't west coast artist
and this forum was to talk about west coast artist not the same old songs all the time look here http://www.dubcnn.com/
anybody talking about 20 - 25 year old songs or artist FUCK NO
its stupid fucks like you who are stuck in the past trying to relive your glory days lol
how the fuck is this forum supposed to move forward when people here talking about artist 25 years ago that nobody but dub and euros who know no better give a fuck about how the fuck new artist are supposed to come up here
you're nitpicking, we could have made the thread in the outbounds section the result would have been similar
the forum is to talk about west coast artists, among others. and if some songs are discussed several times, then so be it, variety is good and it's perfectly possible to talk about old songs and new songs on the same forum, you're not making much sense.
"stupid fucks", well I've never disrespected you so I would expect you to do same. maybe I'm stupid, but at least I make an effort to provide credible arguments to back up my points and form an educated opinion. but I don't know, maybe using the same 3 tired out arguments, which are often contradictory ("nobody in the US cares about these artists" / "you are stuck in the past" / "they won't sell" / "record sales don't mean good").
you claim I'm stuck in the past but I reguarly create threads about recent music (IamSu's album, Sage the Gemini's single going gold, Terrace Martin's NPR interview, dilated people and aloe blacc's video, yowda, snow tha product, jhene aiko's album, casey veggies, big krit, rittz, mack wilds, I could go on), and when I create a thread, I post my opinion, I just don't copy paste shit i've read on the internet like you. I bought more than 10 albums released in 14 and already 2 released in 15. how stuck in the past is it for you ? just cause I enjoy old shit don't mean I don't check newer shit, once again you're not making any sense.
You want the forum to move forward but all you spew is negativity and the threads that you create are insipid. Dubcc has its merits and its niche. it's the spot to discuss, among other things, music from the golden age of westcoast music. and there aren't too many forums doing just that nowadays, so in a way it's a place that needs to exist. if you don't find what you expect here, move on, there are other forums where there's more discussion about newer music, but you're not a particularly interesting and pertinent contributor and the thread about how you had supposedly deleted your account shows that most regular / interesting contributors thought just that, if not worse.
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^ fatal ether
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
Haha yup. I remember thinking that too, but I knew it wasn't him. Edi was trying to look like a boss and was on his cell phone in the pic.
It didn't take until 2004 for them to patch things up, it was in 2002, 2003 at the latest. Remember Fatal was on the Outlawz Worldwide DVD, and he was talking about how they were cool again and how he can "be hot under the collar" at times, then it cut to Napolean mentioning that the rift involved "some internet shit," likely referring to the first interview Fatal did with hitemup.com where he went at them hard.
DeeezNuuuts83, did you ever find that Fatal interview from jail? You were suppose to check and up it if you had it. We discussed that in the past about Fatal saying that Pac told the Lawz to never sign to DR while the other Laws said Pac never told them that. Please up it if you have it.
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man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so
LMAO
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man fuck bakeries they sell bread and only bakeries do so
LMAO
:laugh:
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i remember the issue. alot of people thought muzamil was fatal in the photos.
Haha yup. I remember thinking that too, but I knew it wasn't him. Edi was trying to look like a boss and was on his cell phone in the pic.
It didn't take until 2004 for them to patch things up, it was in 2002, 2003 at the latest. Remember Fatal was on the Outlawz Worldwide DVD, and he was talking about how they were cool again and how he can "be hot under the collar" at times, then it cut to Napolean mentioning that the rift involved "some internet shit," likely referring to the first interview Fatal did with hitemup.com where he went at them hard.
DeeezNuuuts83, did you ever find that Fatal interview from jail? You were suppose to check and up it if you had it. We discussed that in the past about Fatal saying that Pac told the Lawz to never sign to DR while the other Laws said Pac never told them that. Please up it if you have it.
I've always had it, but it's on the iPod I use for playing music in my car. I picked up a MacBook Pro and don't have the interview on the new computer so I can't upload it at the moment but I can listen to it whenever.
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Ok. >:( You got Daz saying Suge used Pac as a shield or anything like that you can up?
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I ignore Daz's cracked out interviews. It's been like that since the early '90s... remember when he called in to Street Science and talked shit to Eazy?
"The Doc don't know you."
"You ever seen a million dollars?"
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I ignore Daz's cracked out interviews. It's been like that since the early '90s... remember when he called in to Street Science and talked shit to Eazy?
"The Doc don't know you."
"You ever seen a million dollars?"
haha yeah, there was also D.O.C., Michel'le, and one of the Bone Thugs going on a rant at the end if I'm not mistaken
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Yeah, that was Layzie Bone, who sounded a little too high that day. Daz did have a nice comeback though, but other than that, it was a lot of nonsense.
The funny thing is that Daz started talking about the 60s riding with them, but it was the 60s who got stomped out and killed by Death Row at El Rey in 1995 or whenever it was.