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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: abusive on September 03, 2025, 07:12:23 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8bFToyssg
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first of all, there are jews of all races ..
the most prominent in israel are mizrahi jews (middle eastern)
the most prominent in america are ashkenazi jews (european)
but Judaism is an ethnoreligion .. meaning you can tell if people are jewish based on dna
all jews share the same gene that connects them to the levant via the israelites
ashkenazi jews have less of this gene due to spending thousands of years adapting to europe (food, weather, culture) and intermixing with the europeans over time
but at the end of the day, a jew is a jew
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even ashkenazi jews .. who are mostly white passing, generally do not like to be categorized as white
why?
very simple
https://www.instagram.com/p/DMxn0c_t1t7/
why would they wana be grouped in with the same people who tried to exterminate them based on them being different race?
so the reason they look more white .. 1.many of them intermixed with europeans, meaning they actually do have some white ancestry 2.many of them evolved in europe via spending thousands of years adapting to the weather, food, and overall culture
but now when we talk about the mizrahi jews, here we see a clear distinction and easily identifiable characteristics that distinguish them from white people tenfold
you have 2 types of anti-semites on the opposite end of the spectrum regarding this topic ... the one who denies jews have anything to do with the caucasian race (nazis) and the one who denies jews are their own race (radical islamists)
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So if someone converts to the jewish religion, their DNA will change and they will be a Jew. Cool story. Thanks for killing the race concept though. Clearly if their are Jews of all races, then being a Jew isn't a race in of itself. That's the point the video is making.
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So if someone converts to the jewish religion, their DNA will change and they will be a Jew. Cool story. Thanks for killing the race concept though. Clearly if their are Jews of all races, then being a Jew isn't a race in of itself. That's the point the video is making.
i think everything i said just went over your head
unlike christians and muslims, jews don't proselytize, which is why there's a jewish gene tied to the levant
we've generally been able to maintain our own distinct genetics, hence why a 23andme or ancestry.com testing includes "jewish" genetics in their terminology
so while a convert will not have the jewish gene, a vast majority of jews do, since converts are rare in our religion
for instance, by halakha (jewish law) a rabbi has to turn you down 3 times before agreeing to convert you .. and after that it's approximately a 3 year process of grueling work to complete conversion, which most don't ever complete .. unlike christianity who forced their religion on the masses, and muslims who convert people with one sentence, and much of the time by force or coercion
that's why judaism is considered an ethno-religion .. look it up if u don't believe me
meaning, yes, there are jews of various races (black, middle eastern, hispanic, white etc.) .. but the ones who aren't converts (the vast majority) still have a jewish genetic makeup that ties them together.. race is a made up social construct to begin with, but just like steph curry and michael blackson share a black gene while basically appearing as 2 different races due to intermixing and societal adaption, jewishness is the same.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byp6nsscVVk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Byp6nsscVVk
"we woke TV"
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black people originate in africa .. they are not "semitic" by origin. many later became semitic when the arabs conquered north africa and spread their culture there. the opposite of what happened to jews who were exiled and settled in europe, losing much of their original semitic identity there.
same ol culture vulture identity crisis ego driven "we was the original (fill in the blank) n shit!" bs
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You're a very confused man.
Moses was African. You know, the guy who wrote the Torah? The guy who married the Ethiopian?
So by your logic he was of the Black race (since he was african), no wait a minute, he was of the Jewish race because he was a Jew but Blacks aren't the real Jews even though there are Jews of all races. Which would mean some would be Black. lol You're just grasping at straws, even using evolutionary theory to prove your point and you're digging yourself into a deeper hole of FAIL with every post.
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You're a very confused man.
Moses was African. You know, the guy who wrote the Torah? The guy who married the Ethiopian?
So by your logic he was of the Black race (since he was african), no wait a minute, he was of the Jewish race because he was a Jew but Blacks aren't the real Jews even though there are Jews of all races. Which would mean some would be Black. lol You're just grasping at straws, even using evolutionary theory to prove your point and you're digging yourself into a deeper hole of FAIL with every post.
took you a while to think up this reply lmao
but no, moses was not african homie .. he married an african which literally got him slandered by his family in the torah (the curse of tzarat), proving furthermore he obviously wasn't african
and my explanation about jewish geneology was pretty clear cut, you're just not intelligent enough to wrap your mind around it unfortunately
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took you a while to think up this reply lmao
but no, moses was not african homie .. he married an african which literally got him slandered by his family in the torah (the curse of tzarat), proving furthermore he obviously wasn't african
and my explanation about jewish geneology was pretty clear cut, you're just not intelligent enough to wrap your mind around it unfortunately
Nah, I have a life.
black people originate in africa
Moses was born and raised in Eygpt. We've already gone over this. Therefore he was an African and according to you he was black. That proves that the issue with his wife wasn't due to her being African because they both were.
unlike christianity who forced their religion on the masses
Christians didn't force their beliefs on the masses.
Matthew 10:14
“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
It doesn't say to kill them or to force them. You are just to keep it pushing.
You can't find me one new testament scripture that even remotely says anything like you have alleged. You are speaking out of ignorance. Matter of fact, so me some scriptures that do.
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Jewish
Is it a nationality or confession?
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Nah, I have a life.
Moses was born and raised in Eygpt. We've already gone over this. Therefore he was an African and according to you he was black. That proves that the issue with his wife wasn't due to her being African because they both were.
Christians didn't force their beliefs on the masses.
It doesn't say to kill them or to force them. You are just to keep it pushing.
You can't find me one new testament scripture that even remotely says anything like you have alleged. You are speaking out of ignorance. Matter of fact, so me some scriptures that do.
naah don't play that "i have a life" game
because u were replying to other stuff for days after my last post .. u were just at a loss for words in real time
egypt was a multi cultural/multi racial nation.. this is not a secret and has been proven with archeological evidence
Christianity has been involved in forced conversions at various times throughout history. While the core teachings of Christianity emphasize free will and voluntary faith, in practice, some Christian leaders, empires, and institutions have used coercion, violence, or political pressure to convert people. Here are some notable examples:
🏰 Medieval Europe & Charlemagne (8th–9th centuries)
Charlemagne, the King of the Franks, led campaigns to convert the Saxons in present-day Germany. Those who resisted were sometimes killed, exiled, or forcibly baptized.
The Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (a legal code) included death penalties for refusing baptism or practicing pagan rituals.
🇪🇸 Spanish Inquisition & Colonialism (15th–17th centuries)
In Spain, Jews and Muslims were pressured to convert or face expulsion or execution.
During colonization of the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese empires forced indigenous populations to convert, often alongside the destruction of native religions and cultures.
Missionaries sometimes genuinely believed they were saving souls, but the methods often involved coercion, suppression of native languages, and cultural erasure.
🌍 Africa and Asia (Colonial Period)
In many colonized regions, European Christian missionaries accompanied imperial powers.
While many conversions were voluntary or semi-voluntary, the imbalance of power, economic dependency, or pressure from colonial administrators often played a role.
⛪ Eastern Europe & Russia
In some cases, Orthodox Christianity was used to pressure conversions in territories conquered by the Russian Empire.
Similarly, in Poland-Lithuania, religious policies shifted over time, and at some points, non-Catholics were pressured to convert.
🧭 Crusades (1095–1291)
The primary goal was to reclaim Christian control over the Holy Land, but in some cases, non-Christians were given the choice of conversion or death, particularly during massacres of Jews and Muslims.
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naah don't play that "i have a life" game
because u were replying to other stuff for days after my last post .. u were just at a loss for words in real time
egypt was a multi cultural/multi racial nation.. this is not a secret and has been proven with archeological evidence
Christianity has been involved in forced conversions at various times throughout history. While the core teachings of Christianity emphasize free will and voluntary faith, in practice, some Christian leaders, empires, and institutions have used coercion, violence, or political pressure to convert people. Here are some notable examples:
🏰 Medieval Europe & Charlemagne (8th–9th centuries)
Charlemagne, the King of the Franks, led campaigns to convert the Saxons in present-day Germany. Those who resisted were sometimes killed, exiled, or forcibly baptized.
The Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (a legal code) included death penalties for refusing baptism or practicing pagan rituals.
🇪🇸 Spanish Inquisition & Colonialism (15th–17th centuries)
In Spain, Jews and Muslims were pressured to convert or face expulsion or execution.
During colonization of the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese empires forced indigenous populations to convert, often alongside the destruction of native religions and cultures.
Missionaries sometimes genuinely believed they were saving souls, but the methods often involved coercion, suppression of native languages, and cultural erasure.
🌍 Africa and Asia (Colonial Period)
In many colonized regions, European Christian missionaries accompanied imperial powers.
While many conversions were voluntary or semi-voluntary, the imbalance of power, economic dependency, or pressure from colonial administrators often played a role.
⛪ Eastern Europe & Russia
In some cases, Orthodox Christianity was used to pressure conversions in territories conquered by the Russian Empire.
Similarly, in Poland-Lithuania, religious policies shifted over time, and at some points, non-Catholics were pressured to convert.
🧭 Crusades (1095–1291)
The primary goal was to reclaim Christian control over the Holy Land, but in some cases, non-Christians were given the choice of conversion or death, particularly during massacres of Jews and Muslims.
Egypt is still in Africa. I'm going by what you said. You equate Africa with black people. The Israelites were in Egypt for four hundred years as well.
But again, if Jews come in different races and Egypt was multi racial, how come Moses couldn't be Black?
The majority if not all of what you posted for evidence of Christian force is Roman Catholic. I'm pretty sure all of it is.
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Egypt is still in Africa. I'm going by what you said. You equate Africa with black people. The Israelites were in Egypt for four hundred years as well.
But again, if Jews come in different races and Egypt was multi racial, how come Moses couldn't be Black?
The majority if not all of what you posted for evidence of Christian force is Roman Catholic. I'm pretty sure all of it is.
moses couldn't be black because him marrying a black woman was made into a story in the bible .. the story would make zero sense if he himself was black
catholicism is a form of christianity
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moses couldn't be black because him marrying a black woman was made into a story in the bible .. the story would make zero sense if he himself was black
catholicism is a form of christianity
The biblical story didn't mention either one of them being black. You assume that Moses was white and his wife was black and that was the issue with them marrying. The issue wasn't mentioned. I suspect it was because Moses himself wasn't Ethiopian. It's common throughout the scriptures for people to want their family to marry those of the same country or land and in some cases their own family. There is zero context for people choosing or rejecting someone based off of their skin color. Especially in this situation.
Roman Catholicism and Christianity are two different religions. That's like me saying the the Hebrew Israelites and Judaism are the same religion. Only someone ignorant of history would say that they're the same.
The information in the videos still stands though. Nothing and I mean nothing you've said has refuted them.
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Here are the verses in question for the guest reading. I would hate for you to be fooled by this antichrist spewing colorism theory.
Numbers 12:1-4
1And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
2And they said, Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses? hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.
3(Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)
4And the LORD spake suddenly unto Moses, and unto Aaron, and unto Miriam, Come out ye three unto the tabernacle of the congregation. And they three came out.
Here's a verse I found of God putting the children of Israel (Jacob) and Ethiopian's on a level playing feild.
Amos 9:7 - Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the LORD. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir?
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The biblical story didn't mention either one of them being black. You assume that Moses was white and his wife was black and that was the issue with them marrying. The issue wasn't mentioned. I suspect it was because Moses himself wasn't Ethiopian. It's common throughout the scriptures for people to want their family to marry those of the same country or land and in some cases their own family. There is zero context for people choosing or rejecting someone based off of their skin color. Especially in this situation.
Roman Catholicism and Christianity are two different religions. That's like me saying the the Hebrew Israelites and Judaism are the same religion. Only someone ignorant of history would say that they're the same.
The information in the videos still stands though. Nothing and I mean nothing you've said has refuted them.
nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post
jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together
some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene
catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test
this ain't rocket science homie
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nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post
jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together
some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene
catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test
this ain't rocket science homie
Hebrew Israelite teachings are based on the Torah. Try again. The first Christians were jews. Not to be confused with the religion of Judaism but actual jews.
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Hebrew Israelite teachings are based on the Torah. Try again. The first Christians were jews. Not to be confused with the religion of Judaism but actual jews.
jews who turned their back on the commandments of the torah
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jews who turned their back on the commandments of the torah
Everything you've put forth i have refuted. It's a shame that you even put yourself through this.
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Everything you've put forth i have refuted. It's a shame that you even put yourself through this.
u didn't .. at all ... u couldn't even comprehend it
explain how there is a jewish gene that's prominent in all jews if it isn't a race within a religion
refute it
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u didn't .. at all ... u couldn't even comprehend it
explain how there is a jewish gene that's prominent in all jews if it isn't a race within a religion
refute it
Nope. I've posted on that already.
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Nope. I've posted on that already.
u didn't answer it at all
but ok lol
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nothing in the video refuted what i said in my post
jewish dna exists and links all jews of the diaspora together
some (ashkenazi) have intermixed more than others (mizrahi).. but they still carry the gene
catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ .. the fact of the matter is that christianity spread through conversion and wasn't a religion linked to a tribe ala judaism .... that is why there is no "christian" gene on a dna test
this ain't rocket science homie
No it's not. You can't find Jesus advocating violence so obviously his teachings aren't where the violence they commit comes from. You talk the most but know the least. The only religion you've ever studied was your own. That's the difference between the two of us.
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No it's not. You can't find Jesus advocating violence so obviously his teachings aren't where the violence they commit comes from. You talk the most but know the least. The only religion you've ever studied was your own. That's the difference between the two of us.
that's like saying "islam is against forced conversion based on the teachings of the quran"
well guess what.. many islamist leaders still forced conversion en masse throughout history
just because the book says one thing doesn't mean all followers of the book will adhere to those teachings
constantine and the roman empire forced christianity on the masses well before catholicism even existed
those are facts, not opinions
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catholicism is still based on the teachings of jesus christ ..
Christianity has been involved in forced conversions at various times throughout history. While the core teachings of Christianity emphasize free will and voluntary faith, in practice, some Christian leaders, empires, and institutions have used coercion, violence, or political pressure to convert people. Here are some notable examples:
🏰 Medieval Europe & Charlemagne (8th–9th centuries)
Charlemagne, the King of the Franks, led campaigns to convert the Saxons in present-day Germany. Those who resisted were sometimes killed, exiled, or forcibly baptized.
The Capitulatio de partibus Saxoniae (a legal code) included death penalties for refusing baptism or practicing pagan rituals.
🇪🇸 Spanish Inquisition & Colonialism (15th–17th centuries)
In Spain, Jews and Muslims were pressured to convert or face expulsion or execution.
During colonization of the Americas, the Spanish and Portuguese empires forced indigenous populations to convert, often alongside the destruction of native religions and cultures.
Missionaries sometimes genuinely believed they were saving souls, but the methods often involved coercion, suppression of native languages, and cultural erasure.
🌍 Africa and Asia (Colonial Period)
In many colonized regions, European Christian missionaries accompanied imperial powers.
While many conversions were voluntary or semi-voluntary, the imbalance of power, economic dependency, or pressure from colonial administrators often played a role.
⛪ Eastern Europe & Russia
In some cases, Orthodox Christianity was used to pressure conversions in territories conquered by the Russian Empire.
Similarly, in Poland-Lithuania, religious policies shifted over time, and at some points, non-Catholics were pressured to convert.
🧭 Crusades (1095–1291)
The primary goal was to reclaim Christian control over the Holy Land, but in some cases, non-Christians were given the choice of conversion or death, particularly during massacres of Jews and Muslims.
Show me some scriptures where Jesus taught this stuff.
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that's like saying "islam is against forced conversion based on the teachings of the quran"
well guess what.. many islamist leaders still forced conversion en masse throughout history
just because the book says one thing doesn't mean all followers of the book will adhere to those teachings
constantine and the roman empire forced christianity on the masses well before catholicism even existed
those are facts, not opinions
Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.
The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.
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Islam does teach forced conversions and that's why leaders who follow the religion do it. Bad example.
The Roman Empire are the ones who killed Jesus. If you want to believe that Roman Catholicism is Christian or that you're a jew, you have a right to believe that.
wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
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wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
Unfortunately that's one of those big grey areas, and there are so many in the religion. You have a lot of Muslim friends and I'm happy you are defending Islam and trying to present a fair viewpoint of the religion. Because there is the verse of Qur'an that does say "There is no compulsion in religion" and they always market this aspect when appealing to outsiders for sympathy and to appear to be less threatening.
...then you actually get deep into the religion and you meet a lot of assholes that think it's perfectly fine to force someone into the religion and try to back up those claims using Qur'an, Hadith (alleged sayings of the Prophet) and things from the Sunnah/Sahaba (this means life of Muhammad and people who knew him) and even Fatwas from Scholars past and present. They will come up with something and then you spend hours arguing them in the masjid and feel frustrated at the end of the day and thought we were all gonna sing "Kumbaya" by the fire place holding hands--but find out it's not quite the same on the inside as it is in some college reading material that presents Islam to the general public.
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wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
Show me in the New Testament.
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Show me in the New Testament.
show u what in the new testament
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Unfortunately that's one of those big grey areas, and there are so many in the religion. You have a lot of Muslim friends and I'm happy you are defending Islam and trying to present a fair viewpoint of the religion. Because there is the verse of Qur'an that does say "There is no compulsion in religion" and they always market this aspect when appealing to outsiders for sympathy and to appear to be less threatening.
...then you actually get deep into the religion and you meet a lot of assholes that think it's perfectly fine to force someone into the religion and try to back up those claims using Qur'an, Hadith (alleged sayings of the Prophet) and things from the Sunnah/Sahaba (this means life of Muhammad and people who knew him) and even Fatwas from Scholars past and present. They will come up with something and then you spend hours arguing them in the masjid and feel frustrated at the end of the day and thought we were all gonna sing "Kumbaya" by the fire place holding hands--but find out it's not quite the same on the inside as it is in some college reading material that presents Islam to the general public.
yea it's weird, because if we go simply by quran, muslims should adhere to israel belonging to the Jews
but it's the re-interpretation of things that makes muslims have such difference of opinions between one another
jews are a little different, because there's generally a universal belief that must be followed by all jews
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wrong
forcing conversion is forbidden according to islam
but both muslims and christians still do it
A muslim just told you that it wasn't forbidden and it's taught. You don't know anything about what you're defending or arguing against.
Show me where in the NT it teaches to force conversions to Christianity.
Thanks for keeping this thread alive too. People need to see the videos posted and your lies exposed.
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A muslim just told you that it wasn't forbidden and it's taught. You don't know anything about what you're defending or arguing against.
Show me where in the NT it teaches to force conversions to Christianity.
Thanks for keeping this thread alive too. People need to see the videos posted and your lies exposed.
and i know muslims who quote verses in the quran that show it's not allowed genius
1. Clear Qur'anic Teaching:
The Qur'an explicitly forbids forcing anyone to accept Islam.
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
(Qur’an, 2:256)
This verse makes it clear that belief must be a personal, voluntary decision.
2. Muhammad’s Practice:
Muhammad never forced anyone to convert to Islam. He preached through wisdom, compassion, and dialogue, not coercion. Even in situations of political power, he respected people's freedom of belief.
3. Islamic Legal Principle:
Classical Islamic scholars agreed that forced conversion is invalid. If someone says they are Muslim under coercion, it doesn’t count as true belief.
4. Respect for “People of the Book”:
In Islamic history, Jews and Christians (known as “Ahl al-Kitab” or People of the Book) were allowed to practice their religion under Muslim rule. They were not forced to convert.
Surah Yunus (10:99)
“Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So, will you then compel people to become believers?”
Even the Prophet (ﷺ) was reminded that he cannot force people to believe.
🔹 Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)
The Prophet never forced people to convert. Here’s one example:
🔸 Narrated by Ibn Abbas (Bukhari 6924):
When a woman from the Jews accepted Islam and her children remained Jewish, the Prophet did not force the children to convert.
This shows he respected the existing faith of individuals, even within families.
🔹 Islamic Legal (Fiqh) Position
Classical jurists across all four Sunni schools (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i, Hanbali) agree:
Forced conversions are invalid.
Islamic law requires sincerity of intention (niyyah) for a conversion to be accepted.
Imam Al-Nawawi (Shafi‘i scholar):
“If someone is forced to say the Shahada, it is not considered a valid conversion unless the heart accepts it.”
🔹 Historical Practice Under Muslim Rule
In Islamic history:
Jews, Christians, and others lived under Muslim governments for centuries.
They paid a special tax (jizya) in return for protection and autonomy — not as a penalty for not being Muslim.
🔹 Scholarly Consensus
Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah:
“No one should be forced to enter Islam. Rather, it is only permissible to invite them to Islam and explain it.”
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi:
“Freedom of religion is one of the fundamental human rights in Islam. Forced conversion contradicts the essence of Islamic belief.”
that doesn't mean people don't break the rules and still do it.. same with christianity
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and i know muslims who quote verses in the quran that show it's not allowed genius
1. Clear Qur'anic Teaching:
The Qur'an explicitly forbids forcing anyone to accept Islam.
“There is no compulsion in religion.”
(Qur’an, 2:256)
This verse makes it clear that belief must be a personal, voluntary decision.
2. Muhammad’s Practice:
Muhammad never forced anyone to convert to Islam. He preached through wisdom, compassion, and dialogue, not coercion. Even in situations of political power, he respected people's freedom of belief.
3. Islamic Legal Principle:
Classical Islamic scholars agreed that forced conversion is invalid. If someone says they are Muslim under coercion, it doesn’t count as true belief.
4. Respect for “People of the Book”:
In Islamic history, Jews and Christians (known as “Ahl al-Kitab” or People of the Book) were allowed to practice their religion under Muslim rule. They were not forced to convert.
Surah Yunus (10:99)
“Had your Lord willed, all the people on earth would have believed. So, will you then compel people to become believers?”
Even the Prophet (ﷺ) was reminded that he cannot force people to believe.
🔹 Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)
The Prophet never forced people to convert. Here’s one example:
🔸 Narrated by Ibn Abbas (Bukhari 6924):
When a woman from the Jews accepted Islam and her children remained Jewish, the Prophet did not force the children to convert.
This shows he respected the existing faith of individuals, even within families.
🔹 Islamic Legal (Fiqh) Position
Classical jurists across all four Sunni schools (Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi‘i, Hanbali) agree:
Forced conversions are invalid.
Islamic law requires sincerity of intention (niyyah) for a conversion to be accepted.
Imam Al-Nawawi (Shafi‘i scholar):
“If someone is forced to say the Shahada, it is not considered a valid conversion unless the heart accepts it.”
🔹 Historical Practice Under Muslim Rule
In Islamic history:
Jews, Christians, and others lived under Muslim governments for centuries.
They paid a special tax (jizya) in return for protection and autonomy — not as a penalty for not being Muslim.
🔹 Scholarly Consensus
Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah:
“No one should be forced to enter Islam. Rather, it is only permissible to invite them to Islam and explain it.”
Shaykh Yusuf al-Qaradawi:
“Freedom of religion is one of the fundamental human rights in Islam. Forced conversion contradicts the essence of Islamic belief.”
that doesn't mean people don't break the rules and still do it.. same with christianity
https://quran.com/at-tawbah/5
I'm still waiting for you to do the same with the NT.
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https://quran.com/at-tawbah/5
I'm still waiting for you to do the same with the NT.
1. Context: Not General, but Specific
This verse is part of a passage revealed during a specific conflict between the early Muslim community in Medina and certain Arab pagan tribes who had:
Made peace treaties with the Muslims, and
Violated those treaties by attacking or conspiring against them.
So, this was a limited military directive, not a general order against all non-Muslims or polytheists.
🛡️ 2. Not About Forcing Religion
The verse says:
"If they repent, perform prayer, and give zakah..."
This is not an instruction to force conversion. Rather, it sets terms for amnesty during a time of war. It means:
Those who had violated the treaties and were now enemies could still be forgiven and reintegrated if they embraced Islam voluntarily.
However, those who didn’t want to convert were not forced — they were either fought in war (as combatants), or allowed other options like exile, or in later verses, offered protection (see below).
📜 3. Next Verses Offer Protection for Non-Muslims
Just one verse later, Surah 9:6 states:
"If any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah. Then deliver him to a place where he can be secure. That is because they are a people who do not know." (9:6)
This shows that non-Muslims who sought safety were to be protected and escorted to safety, not forced to convert.
⚖️ 4. Forced Conversion Is Forbidden in Islam
The Qur’an explicitly prohibits forced conversion:
“There is no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clearly from falsehood…”
— Surah Al-Baqarah (2:256)
This is a universal principle in Islamic belief. Genuine faith must come from free will, not coercion.
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now let's do christianity
🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.
🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power
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Jewish is a religion not a race.
Jews are doing the same thing that Hitler did, but every nation is turning a blind eye because the run the world financial system.
Didn't the writer of the torah "Jay-Z" aka steal most of the Old Testament writings?
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now let's do christianity
🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.
🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power
I rest my case on the Quran teaching forced conversion. Trying to explain it away by "context" doesn't.
I also rest my case on the point that the NT doesn't teach forced conversions. Trying to make it seem that it does by using catholic inquisition and the crusades doesn't prove that it does.
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Black Hebrew Israelite's and Jewish people both utilize the Torah, therefore the black Hebrew Israelite practices a form of Judaism and they are just as much Jews as jewish people. <---- Your logic. :ohwell:
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now let's do christianity
🔹 Luke 14:23 – Compel Them to Come In
“Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full.’”
📌 Context: This is part of a parable about a banquet — a metaphor for God inviting people into the kingdom. The word “compel” (Greek: anankazo) has sparked debate:
Most scholars see it as urging or persuading, not physical force.
However, during the medieval period, especially in the Augustinian tradition, this verse was misused to justify forced conversions, especially against Jews and heretics.
🕍 Historical Misuse by Christian Institutions
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion, certain Church authorities historically used Old Testament laws and selective readings to justify coercion, especially in:
The Crusades
The Inquisition
Forced conversions of Jews and Muslims in Spain (e.g., 15th–16th centuries)
Colonial-era missionary work backed by military power
What's the source? This sounds made up. To suggest that any scripture but specifically that one was used to justify inquisitions and crusades is insane. I believe you made it up.
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Jewish is a religion not a race.
Jews are doing the same thing that Hitler did, but every nation is turning a blind eye because the run the world financial system.
Didn't the writer of the torah "Jay-Z" aka steal most of the Old Testament writings?
Jews are doing the same thing Hitler did? is that what your TikTok feed told you?
smh
how does it feel to be part of the smart-dumb mufucka echo chamber??
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What's the source? This sounds made up. To suggest that any scripture but specifically that one was used to justify inquisitions and crusades is insane. I believe you made it up.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century/
https://boydellandbrewer.com/9781783275236/the-bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/an-unexpected-consequence-of-the-christian-crusades/
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century/
https://boydellandbrewer.com/9781783275236/the-bible-and-crusade-narrative-in-the-twelfth-century
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/post-biblical-period/an-unexpected-consequence-of-the-christian-crusades/
No source, just what I thought.
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No source, just what I thought.
the source is the bible
i literally quoted verses that were used as justification for the crusades
you're just a low level thinker .. i also posted 3 different links detailing it
maybe try and read more.. just a thought
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the source is the bible
i literally quoted verses that were used as justification for the crusades
you're just a low level thinker .. i also posted 3 different links detailing it
maybe try and read more.. just a thought
Foxe Book Of The Martyrs refutes you made up AI history.
"Fox's Book of Martyrs" by John Foxe is a historical account written in the mid-16th century. This work serves as a compilation that chronicles the lives, sufferings, and deaths of Christian martyrs from the inception of Christianity through various periods of persecution. It particularly emphasizes the brutalities faced by those who stood against pagan, papal, and infidel oppressors, detailing notable figures and events from early martyrdom to the ongoing challenges faced by Christians. At the start of the book, Foxe outlines the overarching theme of Christian martyrdom, framing the church's history as intertwined with the trials faced by its members at the hands of both external aggressors and internal divisions. He references key figures such as St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr, and subsequently discusses other notable martyrs like James and Peter, providing their accounts of suffering and steadfastness in faith. The text sets the stage for a deeper exploration of the persecution faced by Christians through various eras, including the fierce Roman persecutions and the zealous actions of the Catholic Church, indicating a thorough historical examination of faith, sacrifice, and the enduring spirit of Christianity against oppression. (This is an automatically generated summary.)
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/22400
;D .
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Foxe Book Of The Martyrs refutes you made up AI history.https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/22400
;D .
this literally has NOTHING to do with what i posted
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this literally has NOTHING to do with what i posted
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Yeah it does. You said that Roman Catholicism is Christianity and that the crusades and the inquisition were based off scripture. That book proves otherwise. It is true history from that time period. If either was based on converting to Christianity then Christians wouldn't have been victims of it. You are just ignorant of history and religion. You know your religion and that's it. Even if you discredited my beliefs (which you haven't) that wouldn't make yours true.
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Yeah it does. You said that Roman Catholicism is Christianity and that the crusades and the inquisition were based off scripture. That book proves otherwise. It is true history from that time period. If either was based on converting to Christianity then Christians wouldn't have been victims of it. You are just ignorant of history and religion. You know your religion and that's it. Even if you discredited my beliefs (which you haven't) that wouldn't make yours true.
once again, it didn't only happen in catholicism
Forced conversions have occurred across different branches of Christianity — not just within Catholicism. Both Catholic and non-Catholic (Protestant and Orthodox) groups have, at various points in history, been involved in forced conversions.
🔹 Protestantism & Forced Conversions
While Protestant movements emerged in the 16th century partly in response to abuses in the Catholic Church, they also sometimes engaged in coercive or intolerant practices:
Calvin’s Geneva: In John Calvin’s 16th-century theocratic city-state, religious dissenters (including other Protestants) could be punished, imprisoned, or executed.
English Reformation: Under some Protestant monarchs (e.g., Edward VI, Elizabeth I), Catholics were persecuted, and conversion to Protestantism was sometimes politically coerced.
Puritans in New England: Indigenous peoples were sometimes pressured to convert, though again, degrees of force varied.
🔹 Eastern Orthodox Christianity
There are fewer widely known examples, but forced conversions did occur:
Under some Byzantine emperors, policies pushed conversion to Orthodoxy, especially among Slavs and other neighboring peoples.
Russian Empire: At various times, especially under the Tsars, non-Orthodox groups (like Muslims, Jews, and Catholics) faced pressure to convert.
https://novoscriptorium.com/2019/11/24/the-roman-byzantine-imperial-policy-towards-the-jews-during-the-period-1204-1453/
https://www.britannica.com/place/Byzantine-Empire/From-867-to-the-Ottoman-conquest
https://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/ch/CH.Arnold.RMT.8.HTML
https://romans5.com/persecution-and-execution-under-the-magisterial-reformation
all sourced information .. knowledge is power
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once again, it didn't only happen in catholicism
Forced conversions have occurred across different branches of Christianity — not just within Catholicism. Both Catholic and non-Catholic (Protestant and Orthodox) groups have, at various points in history, been involved in forced conversions.
🔹 Protestantism & Forced Conversions
While Protestant movements emerged in the 16th century partly in response to abuses in the Catholic Church, they also sometimes engaged in coercive or intolerant practices:
Calvin’s Geneva: In John Calvin’s 16th-century theocratic city-state, religious dissenters (including other Protestants) could be punished, imprisoned, or executed.
English Reformation: Under some Protestant monarchs (e.g., Edward VI, Elizabeth I), Catholics were persecuted, and conversion to Protestantism was sometimes politically coerced.
Puritans in New England: Indigenous peoples were sometimes pressured to convert, though again, degrees of force varied.
🔹 Eastern Orthodox Christianity
There are fewer widely known examples, but forced conversions did occur:
Under some Byzantine emperors, policies pushed conversion to Orthodoxy, especially among Slavs and other neighboring peoples.
Russian Empire: At various times, especially under the Tsars, non-Orthodox groups (like Muslims, Jews, and Catholics) faced pressure to convert.
https://novoscriptorium.com/2019/11/24/the-roman-byzantine-imperial-policy-towards-the-jews-during-the-period-1204-1453/
https://www.britannica.com/place/Byzantine-Empire/From-867-to-the-Ottoman-conquest
https://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/ch/CH.Arnold.RMT.8.HTML
https://romans5.com/persecution-and-execution-under-the-magisterial-reformation
all sourced information .. knowledge is power
Nothing to do with the new Testament therefore it isn't scriptural therefore it isn't Christian. It actually contradicts Christ teachings. Try again.
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Nothing to do with the new Testament therefore it isn't scriptural therefore it isn't Christian. It actually contradicts Christ teachings. Try again.
the mental gymnastics are astonishing with u lollllll
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the mental gymnastics are astonishing with u lollllll
You read my mind!
now let's do christianity
While the New Testament doesn't teach forced conversion
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unlike christians and muslims, jews don't proselytize, which is why there's a jewish gene tied to the levant
Sure you do. Here's a video of a guy talking about how he converted to judaism due to his cousin proselytizing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jWw70FnmcGc
Here's another video of Hebrew Israelites proselytizing. There's plenty of videos of them on corners doing the exact same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxSQ5ZMDiQ
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Sure you do. Here's a video of a guy talking about how he converted to judaism due to his cousin proselytizing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jWw70FnmcGc
Here's another video of Hebrew Israelites proselytizing. There's plenty of videos of them on corners doing the exact same thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxSQ5ZMDiQ
bro are u literally retarded? lol
that first video is not about proselytizing.. it's about his non jewish cousin who was under kanye/kyrie ideology "we are the real jews!" bullshit tryna put him on to black hebrew israelites (who are not jewish).. so when he saw the videos of the black hebrew israelites he thought it was clown shit and started watching videos of real jews (on his own accord) .. once he saw those videos he decided to follow the authentic judaism which is the OPPOSITE of the black hebrew israelites his uncle showed him
glad i could help breakin that down for u, i really do hope u get it now tho.
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You read my mind!
been saying from the beginning .. multiple denominations of christianity interpreted the new testament to proselytize en masse .. people interpret things in different ways .. there is no difference between islam and christianity as far as proselytizing
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You're in error with the whole Protestant thing because the Protestant reformation was started by catholics, not Christians. You assume that the forced conversions done by them is somehow apart of Christianity which it isn't because the NT defines a Christian and there is no scriptural basis for forced conversions. Someone who claims to be Protestant could be a Christian or they just could be someone who's against the authority of the pope.
You went out of your way to ignore the most common verse in the Quran that Muslims follow that do forced conversions to post the verses that are against it. Yet, you didn't do the same for the NT. There are several verses that are contrary to force and many others that teach non violence. All of which disprove your entire premise.
been saying from the beginning .. multiple denominations of christianity interpreted the new testament to proselytize en masse .. people interpret things in different ways .. there is no difference between islam and christianity as far as proselytizing
There is a difference between that and forced conversions though. I have already shown that Islam does it. The fact that you showed it says it doesn't only means there is a contradiction in their text but it doesn't change the fact that it teaches it does. You couldn't show the NT teaching it, rather flat out showed it didn't. You failed at that point! Also, you've said in the past that you're praying to the same god as the god of Islam so your god teaches forced conversions.
bro are u literally retarded? lol
that first video is not about proselytizing.. it's about his non jewish cousin who was under kanye/kyrie ideology "we are the real jews!" bullshit tryna put him on to black hebrew israelites (who are not jewish).. so when he saw the videos of the black hebrew israelites he thought it was clown shit and started watching videos of real jews (on his own accord) .. once he saw those videos he decided to follow the authentic judaism which is the OPPOSITE of the black hebrew israelites his uncle showed him
glad i could help breakin that down for u, i really do hope u get it now tho.
Black hebrew israelites are jewish. They believe in the Torah. If you insist on making Catholicism a form of Christianity then I can make hebrew israelites a form of Judaism. :umad: If you want to be honest and admit that it's two different beliefs then I'll do the same. Until then, they are just as Jewish and have the same rights to the land of Israel as you
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You're in error with the whole Protestant thing because the Protestant reformation was started by catholics, not Christians. You assume that the forced conversions done by them is somehow apart of Christianity which it isn't because the NT defines a Christian and there is no scriptural basis for forced conversions. Someone who claims to be Protestant could be a Christian or they just could be someone who's against the authority of the pope.
You went out of your way to ignore the most common verse in the Quran that Muslims follow that do forced conversions to post the verses that are against it. Yet, you didn't do the same for the NT. There are several verses that are contrary to force and many others that teach non violence. All of which disprove your entire premise. There is a difference between that and forced conversions though. I have already shown that Islam does it. The fact that you showed it says it doesn't only means there is a contradiction in their text but it doesn't change the fact that it teaches it does. You couldn't show the NT teaching it, rather flat out showed it didn't. You failed at that point! Also, you've said in the past that you're praying to the same god as the god of Islam so your god teaches forced conversions.
Black hebrew israelites are jewish. They believe in the Torah. If you insist on making Catholicism a form of Christianity then I can make hebrew israelites a form of Judaism. :umad: If you want to be honest and admit that it's two different beliefs then I'll do the same. Until then, they are just as Jewish and have the same rights to the land of Israel as you
nope .. in order to be jewish, there are other books u need to follow, not just torah .. mishnah, gemara, zohar ... all books essential to judaism .. which is why black hebrew israelites aren't jewish
i did provide the verses in the new testament which was used for forced conversions .... and i showed u how the quran has verses which are anti-forced conversions, just like christianity ... and that's why yall in the same boat
meaning forced conversion is frowned upon based on the text.. but certain verses are interpreted in a way that some people believed it to be justified. zero difference.
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1 Creator... Religions are all full of shit...
Jews are doing exactly what Hitler did, like I said. You guys got some fucked up practices like sucking bloody baby foreskins and shit. They run hollyweird promoting devil worshipping and faggotry.
I'm starting to think you guys faked the numbers of the holocaust and pulled some moon landing shit. You guys got the whole world on your side with pitty and now cleansing Gaza...
I dont take no side in this shit. honestly, I'm more pissed at the Palestinian's. For what they are doing to the Jewish in Toronto and their bullshit protests burning flags of other countries that they currently reside in. They both need to to just fuck off!
TikTok lmfao I'm gen-x I don't watch cat vids or the liberal agenda lbgct+ tings..
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1 Creator... Religions are all full of shit...
Jews are doing exactly what Hitler did, like I said. You guys got some fucked up practices like sucking bloody baby foreskins and shit. They run hollyweird promoting devil worshipping and faggotry.
I'm starting to think you guys faked the numbers of the holocaust and pulled some moon landing shit. You guys got the whole world on your side with pitty and now cleansing Gaza...
I dont take no side in this shit. honestly, I'm more pissed at the Palestinian's. For what they are doing to the Jewish in Toronto and their bullshit protests burning flags of other countries that they currently reside in. They both need to to just fuck off!
TikTok lmfao I'm gen-x I don't watch cat vids or the liberal agenda lbgct+ tings..
damn you're far gone lmao
buncha social media engineering nazi propaganda done ate your entire brain up
like charlie kirk said, anti semitism is a brain cancer always rooted in tinfoil hat conspiracy theories
do better, you sound like eric cartman on steroids homie
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do better, you sound like eric cartman on steroids homie
lmfao. Love it, that was good!
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lmfao. Love it, that was good!
lol it's true tho
u don't wana be that guy
anti-semitism is 99% of the time rooted in misinformation and conspiracy theory .. none of what you said was true. if you want you can ask questions and i can break it down 1 by 1 from a jewish perspective. knowledge is power.
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nope .. in order to be jewish, there are other books u need to follow, not just torah .. mishnah, gemara, zohar ... all books essential to judaism .. which is why black hebrew israelites aren't jewish
i did provide the verses in the new testament which was used for forced conversions .... and i showed u how the quran has verses which are anti-forced conversions, just like christianity ... and that's why yall in the same boat
meaning forced conversion is frowned upon based on the text.. but certain verses are interpreted in a way that some people believed it to be justified. zero difference.
Nah, they're jewish. It's a form of Judaism. Nice try. I could say that it is essential for Roman Catholics to follow the sacraments and not Christians as evidence of two different belief systems but you would still insist they are the same. So no, nice try, hebrew israelites are indeed jewish.
The verses you showed in the Quran doesn't negate the verse I showed. Your point wasn't that there were verses in the Quran that teach against forced conversion. Which you showed. Your point was that there were none. Which I showed. Here's another: quran 9:29
https://quran.com/at-tawbah/29
The verses I posted say it plainly. The verse you posted of a parable of someone being invited to a wedding is a massive reach for forced conversion. It's actually just a lie. I'm still waiting for the source where you copied and pasted that info from.
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Nah, they're jewish. It's a form of Judaism. Nice try. I could say that it is essential for Roman Catholics to follow the sacraments and not Christians as evidence of two different belief systems but you would still insist they are the same. So no, nice try, hebrew israelites are indeed jewish.
The verses you showed in the Quran doesn't negate the verse I showed. Your point wasn't that there were verses in the Quran that teach against forced conversion. Which you showed. Your point was that there were none. Which I showed. Here's another: quran 9:29
https://quran.com/at-tawbah/29
The verses I posted say it plainly. The verse you posted of a parable of someone being invited to a wedding is a massive reach for forced conversion. It's actually just a lie. I'm still waiting for the source where you copied and pasted that info from.
lol the sacraments are not a scripture
there are various jewish scriptures outside of the torah
so it's not the proper analogy
the proper analogy would be conservative jews vs orthodox jews, who follow the same scriptures, but interpret them with some differences .. yet we still call conservative jews jewish
as for that quran verse, it says non-muslims need to submit .. on their own accord .. and if it's not their will, they need to pay a tax known as the jizya tax to live on muslim lands .. that's why it says WILLINGLY submit
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lol the sacraments are not a scripture
there are various jewish scriptures outside of the torah
so it's not the proper analogy
the proper analogy would be conservative jews vs orthodox jews, who follow the same scriptures, but interpret them with some differences .. yet we still call conservative jews jewish
as for that quran verse, it says non-muslims need to submit .. on their own accord .. and if it's not their will, they need to pay a tax known as the jizya tax to live on muslim lands .. that's why it says WILLINGLY submit
Catholics have their own bibles and they tried to stop the KJV for being put together. There is even a preface in the 1611 KJV speaking against Popery. Two different scriptures and beliefs systems. So you lose yet again.
I'm not going to argue with you about Islam. I've proven my point and the entire world already knows they force conversions.
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Catholics have their own bibles and they tried to stop the KJV for being put together. There is even a preface in the 1611 KJV speaking against Popery. Two different scriptures and beliefs systems. So you lose yet again.
I'm not going to argue with you about Islam. I've proven my point and the entire world already knows they force conversions.
and the entire world knows christians have historically forced conversions
LOL
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Matthew 10
King James Version
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
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John 18:36
King James Version
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bozyU8E14HI
Anyone know what podcast this was?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bozyU8E14HI
Anyone know what podcast this was?
nobody watchin this anti-semitic trash
:camby:
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lol the sacraments are not a scripture
there are various jewish scriptures outside of the torah
so it's not the proper analogy
the proper analogy would be conservative jews vs orthodox jews, who follow the same scriptures, but interpret them with some differences .. yet we still call conservative jews jewish
as for that quran verse, it says non-muslims need to submit .. on their own accord .. and if it's not their will, they need to pay a tax known as the jizya tax to live on muslim lands .. that's why it says WILLINGLY submit
USCCB Approved Translations of the Sacred Scriptures for Private Use and Study by Catholics
1983 - Present
The 1983 Code of Canon Law entrusts to the Apostolic See and the episcopal conferences the authority to approve translations of the Sacred Scriptures in the Latin Catholic Church (c. 825, §1). Prior to 1983, Scriptural translations could be approved by the Apostolic See or by a local ordinary within a diocese.
What follows is a complete list of the translations of the Sacred Scriptures that have received the approval of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops since 1983.
In addition to the translations listed below, any translation of the Sacred Scriptures that has received proper ecclesiastical approval ‒ namely, by the Apostolic See or a local ordinary prior to 1983, or by the Apostolic See or an episcopal conference following 1983 ‒ may be used by the Catholic faithful for private prayer and study.
Books of the New Testament, Alba House
Contemporary English Version - New Testament, First Edition, American Bible Society
Contemporary English Version - Book of Psalms, American Bible Society
Contemporary English Version - Book of Proverbs, American Bible Society
The Grail Psalter (Inclusive Language Version), G.I.A. Publications
New American Bible, Revised Edition (NABRE)
New Revised Standard Version, Catholic Edition, National Council of Churches
New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition, Catholic Edition, Friendship Press
The Psalms, Alba House
The Psalms (New International Version) - St. Joseph Catholic Edition, Catholic Book Publishing Company
The Psalms - St. Joseph New Catholic Version, Catholic Book Publishing Company
Revised Psalms of the New American Bible (1991)
So You May Believe, A Translation of the Four Gospels, Alba House
Good News Translation (Today's English Version, Second Edition), American Bible Society
Translation for Early Youth, A Translation of the New Testament for Children, Contemporary English Version, American Bible Society
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