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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Papa Smurf on August 29, 2004, 09:54:18 PM
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November 16, 2004
Also pick up the new Jim Jones On My Way to Church in stores now ;D
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I think that's the day John Kennedy got shot, isn't it?
Anyways, Is this his last album? If he says it is, I think I'd probably believe him, he's pretty crazy like that, I don't think he'd kid.
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November 16, 2004
Also pick up the new Jim Jones On My Way to Church in stores now ;D
lol
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I think that's the day John Kennedy got shot, isn't it?
Anyways, Is this his last album? If he says it is, I think I'd probably believe him, he's pretty crazy like that, I don't think he'd kid.
I doubt it. He's too young. Here's the TV commercial for the album:
http://www.powow.com/pac187/EMINEM%20COMMERCIAL.mpg
That beat sounds pretty good.
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I hope he doesn't retire. He's a good lyricist that actually makes great albums. That's hard to find.
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lol... I was just last days like: Fuck Eminem. I don't listen to his shit.
But you might see me as first one running to the stores to pick up the album ;)
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Wow...I wasn't even expecting a new Eminem album for the coming 8 months or something, considering the fact that it's not been that long since D 12 dropped.
Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit are on a hell of a fucking roll...they just keep releasing albums while the buzz keeps going.
Looking forward to buy it 8)
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Eminem hasn't gotten much better ever since the Slim Shady LP
I guess I won't even bother walking to the store for this album - too much effort :P He really gets boring if you ask me :-\
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fuck yea, thats not too far.. damn.. that beat in that video was nice... i cant fuckin wait for this shit
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YEEEEEERRR, Bitch! Finally a release date. 10 weeks to endure.
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W0000000000! finally release date!!! PROPS ;D
Man ive been waiting this whole year :)
I knew it drops 04 for sure, but not too near the game or 50, so november is nice spot, i will for sure go buy this album! copp that shit!
ps. any1 know the name of the album? :)
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same release date as Snoop's R&G... it's gonna be a good day
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i'm not looking forward to this at all :-\
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I'm not looking forward to this because.....for example look at his verse on the Lean Back remix. When you get outshined by Mase its pretty sad.
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That mpg link dont work
anywayz
ABOUT TIME!!!!
And the shit he does on guest appereances are done half-assed, you can tell he doesn;'t really give a SHIT when does tracks like lean back.
but when comes to his albums, DR DRE DOESN'T LET HIM FUCKED AROUND!!!!! Ya know how Dre is, anything with his name on it has to be good.
and Shady/G-unit/Aftermath going to be running shit this fall, like they running shit this summer (Young Buck and Lloyd Banks)
The Game, 50 cent, Eminem all droping in Fall, that's fucking dope if you ask me
PS. THis album and Nas are the only two i'd ACTUALLY know im going to buy lol
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Damn the video link is down... Anybody know another link to it?
This came pretty out of the blue to me though... I would've thought a new release by an artist of Eminems caliber would be hyped and specualted on much more. Then again, there are still 10 weeks to go so...
That don't matter to me though, I'ma cop it anyway.
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i hope this is confirmed. Im so psyched. Im a big time eminem fan.
i will actually buy this cd
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I can't wait. Just like dude said, Eminem and Nas. If we get both of those this year, its a good year. I have never been disappointed by an Eminem album. I can't wait to hear what he brings to the table this time.
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is this going to be a wannabe gangsta album? full of forced flows? is he producing most of it himself? if either of the 3 apply, i wont be checking for that garbage.
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we'll see...i will not expect anything and just check for that shit when it drops
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I hope he leaves the production for other people.
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i'm not looking forward to this at all :-\
Word.
I surprisingly liked "The Marshall Mathers LP", but I just cant stand "The Eminem show".
Prepare for the album to flop. Too much Eminem already.
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i'm not looking forward to this at all :-\
Prepare for the album to flop. Too much Eminem already.
Nah, no way. That's what they said about his second album, and then his third.
But then agian, we'll have to wait and see.
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bullshit, there is no way this album will be bad unless there are too many guest appearances. every eminem album is pretty dope, i dont see this one being bad. what ever happened to the rumor that it was gonna be a double album? that woulda been sick. peace.
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I think that's the day John Kennedy got shot, isn't it?
its also the say day dre dropped chronic 2001! eminem is droppin on the 5th year anniversary of 2001!
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bullshit, there is no way this album will be bad unless there are too many guest appearances. every eminem album is pretty dope, i dont see this one being bad. what ever happened to the rumor that it was gonna be a double album? that woulda been sick. peace.
It still might be. Nothing's really known about the album so far except the release date and that will probably get pushed back too.
There's no way this album flops. Unless you consider going five times platinum a flop. The only thing that might ruin this album is if he starts doing his Southern accent thing like he did on that Lean Back remix and on a few other mixtape tracks. And even then, Em only needs one hot single to push units. He can get platinum from his fan base alone. The hot single would help the album move units among the MTV crowd.
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i got 6 joints to cop this year,
nas
game
snoop
50
xzibit
eminem
yo straight up, eminem has gone weak as fuck, y'all love hatin on snoop but eminem been pretty wack for time now to...................but imma still cop his joint.....i just hope this aint no rocky eminem style shit and he dont come out with no wack first single for white boys
production wise i wanna see dre hit him with some sick tracks, see if eminem can drop game on a detox beat and the eminem beats will hopefully be of a cat whos come on a long way in main beats and its nuttin but heaters........hope the vibe the album goes with is sick to, like mmlp, not eminem show, which was on some rocky shit....
games album both production and joints as whole with lyrics n flow n co im hyped about at the moment, but then theres no news of eminems album............a dre first single would help eminem huge no doubt in gettin cats from everywhere to dig
peace
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New Eminem Album, Encore, Due In November
08.30.2004
Eminem (file)
Photo: Interscope
It turns out Eminem's show has an encore — fans just had to wait two and a half years for it, rather than the typical couple of minutes.
The rapper otherwise known as Slim Shady will release Encore, the follow-up to 2002's smash The Eminem Show, on November 16. Details on the release, such as the first single or collaborators, have not yet been revealed, but Em's spokesperson said the album will feature all new material.
Encore will hit shelves around the same time as another album featuring Eminem, a collection of unreleased Tupac tracks with Em as one of the producers (see "Eminem Signs On For Another 'New' Tupac Album"). Along with those projects, the Detroit rapper recently recorded a verse for a remix of the country's #1 song, "Lean Back" (see "Eminem, Mase Pitch In To Make 'Lean Back' Even Hotter").
Em last hit record stores in April with D12 World, the second album from his hometown crew, which has produced a couple of hits in "My Band" and "How Come."
D12 earned three Video Music Award nominations but left Sunday's ceremony empty-handed (see "Outkast, Jay-Z Win Big At Vmas; Usher, No Doubt Land Multiple Moonmen"). Eminem was not present with the rest of the group, who attended wearing Detroit Pistons garb.
—Corey Moss
www.mtv.com
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Encore? Sound terrible. For 2 reasons. One is Jay-Z and the other is French. :'( :-\ :(
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but when comes to his albums, DR DRE DOESN'T LET HIM FUCKED AROUND!!!!! Ya know how Dre is, anything with his name on it has to be good.
ok... i say it now, 3-5 dre tracks, and they will be hottest on the album... u think dre will produce it all, lmfao.... but i think this will be a good album.. and the name... i like encore...but that 2pac shit... jesus wat a disgrace
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eh i liked ghost and runnin. i dont see why there is so much hate. but whatever.
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but when comes to his albums, DR DRE DOESN'T LET HIM FUCKED AROUND!!!!! Ya know how Dre is, anything with his name on it has to be good.
ok... i say it now, 3-5 dre tracks, and they will be hottest on the album... u think dre will produce it all, lmfao.... but i think this will be a good album.. and the name... i like encore...but that 2pac shit... jesus wat a disgrace
I didn't say Dre is gonna produce the whole fuckin album, i have all of eminem's albums so i know how the production works.
IM just saying Dre doesn't want Eminem to fuck around, becuase it will read Shady/aftermath when it gets released right?
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^ its 2pac, a fuckin legend, his fuckin lyrics are recycled, with FUCKIN EMINEM on the boards.. i mean quik, dre, daz... FUCKIN EMINEM, come ON... btw i liked running
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but when comes to his albums, DR DRE DOESN'T LET HIM FUCKED AROUND!!!!! Ya know how Dre is, anything with his name on it has to be good.
ok... i say it now, 3-5 dre tracks, and they will be hottest on the album... u think dre will produce it all, lmfao.... but i think this will be a good album.. and the name... i like encore...but that 2pac shit... jesus wat a disgrace
I didn't say Dre is gonna produce the whole fuckin album, i have all of eminem's albums so i know how the production works.
IM just saying Dre doesn't want Eminem to fuck around, becuase it will read Shady/aftermath when it gets released right?
d12 world was shit.. so was the gunit... lloyd... buck was ok... so.. if eminem releases an album with the calliber of those albums, ....
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^ its 2pac, a fuckin legend, his fuckin lyrics are recycled, with FUCKIN EMINEM on the boards.. i mean quik, dre, daz... FUCKIN EMINEM, come ON... btw i liked running
lmao it CANT get any slight little bit worse than what those Amaru Records amateurs already did big time ... now that was a disgrace. They spit on his grave with them whack-ass remixes.
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^ im not saying its not.. but its just getting worst
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this album rests on one thing...dr dre production...will there be any and if so how much and will he exec produce
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He just needs to keep doing what he's been doing, and this album will be dope.
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btw... id really love to see eminem NOT drop a pop single... but we will see..
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i think he manages to do something new everytime out. i liked the idea of the double disk - one traditional eminem album and the other album with a bunch of different featured producers and rappers. Probably won't happen though. I liked eminem show, and I think he is gonna bring heat once again. peace
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this album will be one of the hottest this year. i dont care if he produces the whole album himself, he'll come with the heat as per normal
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btw... id really love to see eminem NOT drop a pop single... but we will see..
Yea, I would love to see that too. Something along the lines of "Lose Yourself" would be nice. I think that was Em's biggest hit anyways, so I don't see a reason for him not to do another song of that caliber.
And "Encore" is a great name for the album.
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"Encore" is a great name for the album.
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The Game, 50 cent, Eminem all droping in Fall, that's fucking dope if you ask me
50 definetely NOT
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The Game, 50 cent, Eminem all droping in Fall, that's fucking dope if you ask me
50 definetely NOT
Damn, oh well.
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id guess:
1st single is pop single, like my name is,real slim shady,purple pills, without me, my band. (i hope its somethin like lose yourself....but the pop single formula has worked well this far)
3-4 dre tracks, 1-2 kanye, 1 mr porter, rest eminem tracks
Eminem executive prod. dre co-prod.
collabos with 50cent,banks,dre, 1 or 2 d12 members(id love to see Eminem ft. S. Carter)
+15 tracks
#13 track ft. dina rae
few skits, hopefully somethin like ken kaniff on slim shady lp ;D
after few months +4x platinum
Even tho the album drops in 10weeks, we can wait 1st single in 4-6weeks :)
btw, i heard 50cent will drop album early 2005(feb.) not 2004 ???
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why do you like the name "Encore"?!?!
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encore, nice title. I will def be getting this.
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i'm not looking forward to this at all :-\
Word.
I surprisingly liked "The Marshall Mathers LP", but I just cant stand "The Eminem show".
Prepare for the album to flop. Too much Eminem already.
Co-Sign baby!
CO-MUTHAFUCKIN-SIGN!
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why do you like the name "Encore"?!?!
Becuase his last album was the "Eminem Show", so it would make sense this one is called "Encore"
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sounds good , Encore is a good name , what I like about eminem is that his voice and rhyme style seems to change with each album so each album has a different vibe and feel
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Solely basing off the fact that Eminem get's worse after every album, this cd is gonna be worse than TES, which was horrible.
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TES was far from horrible imo.
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just thought i'd add this, it came from the muchmusic.com site
Eminem's "Encore"
Eminem fans, get ready to mark your calendars. The rapper's fourth album has been set for release on November 16th. Entitled "Encore", the disc will be the rapper's first full-length solo release since 2002's chart-topping release, "The Eminem Show". Slim Shady has also recently announced plans to launch his own hip hop satellite radio channel.
that's right, "full-length solo release"
sounds to be a good album
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that's right, "full-length solo release"
What is that suppose to mean?
And Eminem was a lyrical monster on TES outside of the few pop-type songs. The beats on the other hand were a step down from MMLP.
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^^ that just shows his album isn't going to be full of featured artists which alot of ppl thought it would be like.
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i wanna hear that beat..
btw i also prefered MMLP over TES.. but TES has a few ncie cuts... i do prefer the non commercial tracks on SSLP over all of them though..
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solo release doesnt imply that there isnt a shitload of guest appearances. only thing it says is that it's not a d12-album or a complication or something.
btw
MMLP > Infinite > SSLP = TES
and fuck a French title no matter what yall think.
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If this album is anything like the Eminem Show i WILL NOT be picking this up.
I bumped TES for 3 days and never picked it up again.
I STILL bump SSLP. Thats the difference. He totally lost all respect from me rapping about the same shit on every track "Critics hate me,but the kids love me " type shit
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If this album is anything like the Eminem Show i WILL NOT be picking this up.
I bumped TES for 3 days and never picked it up again.
I STILL bump SSLP. Thats the difference. He totally lost all respect from me rapping about the same shit on every track "Critics hate me,but the kids love me " type shit
CO-SIGN!
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im not saying eminem show was bad, but
marshall mathers lp was his greatest work.
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MMLP was a sick joint, anyone could bump that, from the beats to the hooks, lyrics....even with the dumb shit......the joints as a whole were sick........eminem show was weak, had some rock bullshit goin on for it, nobody i know really digz that joint......noone still plays it.......lets hope encore aint nuttin like a rock joint cuz if it is, its gon be weak dawg
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SSLP was DOPE, MMLP & TES are on the same level I guess.. i didn't mind the rock tracks since thats what my parents listen to. the Queen sample on 'Till I Collapse' was one of the greatest things i've ever heard
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queen sample?? hmm.. i like queen too.. sing for a moment, was dope as fuck imo...
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I agree TES maybe had too much Rock stuff in it. Although you gotta take into account that he was still trying shit out with his production and that many producers borrow stuff from classics.. just that he used rock samples..
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if it's anything like the shit he's released after 8 mile i'm not going to be impressed with this album...i want something new and innovative...nothing like the other three cds...i'm looking foward to this but not like i used to, peace.
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I agree TES maybe had too much Rock stuff in it. Although you gotta take into account that he was still trying shit out with his production and that many producers borrow stuff from classics.. just that he used rock samples..
To quote the great Billy Joel:
What's the matter with the clothes I'm wearing?
"Can't you tell that your tie's too wide?"
Maybe I should buy some old tab collars?
"Welcome back to the age of jive.
Where have you been hidin' out lately, honey?
You can't dress trashy till you spend a lot of money."
Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound
Funny, but it's still rock and roll to me
What's the matter with the car I'm driving?
"Can't you tell that it's out of style?"
Should I get a set of while wall tires?
"Are you gonna cruise the miracle mile?
Nowadays you can't be too sentimental
Your best bet's a true baby blue Continental."
Hot funk, cool punk, even if it's old junk
It's still rock and roll to me
Oh, it doesn't matter what they say in the papers
'Cause it's always been the same old scene.
There's a new band in town
But you can't get the sound from a story in a magazine...
Aimed at your average teen
How about a pair of pink sidewinders
And a bright orange pair of pants?
"You could really be a Beau Brummel baby
If you just give it half a chance.
Don't waste your money on a new set of speakers,
You get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers."
Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways
It's still rock and roll to me
What's the matter with the crowd I'm seeing?
"Don't you know that they're out of touch?"
Should I try to be a straight `A' student?
"If you are then you think too much.
Don't you know about the new fashion honey?
All you need are looks and a whole lotta money."
It's the next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways
It's still rock and roll to me
Everybody's talkin' 'bout the new sound
Funny, but it's still rock and roll to me
My point here is that it's all "Rock stuff". Hip Hop was founded partly on sampling rock, more importantly hip hop is rock, so it should be no travesty that Eminem has a rock influenced production. If you don't like the music on Em's albums then fine, but don't give too much crdit to hacks like Dre, who has almost no muscial talent. Dre's got a good ear and he knows what melodies to but the rights to and use as his own. That's about it. With ot that Rock Stuff we many have seen a Dr Dre to begin with
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SSLP was DOPE, MMLP & TES are on the same level I guess.. i didn't mind the rock tracks since thats what my parents listen to. the Queen sample on 'Till I Collapse' was one of the greatest things i've ever heard
Queen sample?? It was just a Kick-Kick-Snare drum pattern...Lots of rap songs have that... I wouldn't consider that a sample.
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I'm also looking forward to this, but at the same time I'm not...If it's anything like "D12 World", I'll be hella disappointed...I expect it to be some ill ass shit though...All his albums have impressed me...PeACe
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eminem will never make a classic album. sslp will always be his best.
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eminem will never make a classic album. sslp will always be his best.
He'll never make a classic album to you, but to the general music public MMLP and Eminem Show are both considred classics. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a classic. I don't care much for Thriller, outside of a couple singles, but I would never deny that it's a classic.
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^ur not right... no eminem album is considered a classic, but i love all of them.. but not classic... but i disagree with smartass. i think eminem is capable of making a classic album.
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and by general public, u mean, white music critics... from like rolling stone? ...
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he doesnt have a real classic because of the fucked up lead singles. :(
but even with them he's obviously one of the greatest rappers of all time
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eminem will never make a classic album. sslp will always be his best.
He'll never make a classic album to you, but to the general music public MMLP and Eminem Show are both considred classics. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a classic. I don't care much for Thriller, outside of a couple singles, but I would never deny that it's a classic.
why you coppin pleas for em? when did i ever say that i didnt like those albums?...and who is this "general music public"? provide some sources, cause like jay said "we don't believe you, you need more people" a classic must have replay value...what eminem album do you still play? if you consider eminem albums personal classics, thats fine by me, but i honestly dont see how any of them could be considered classics. that word gets thrown around on here way too much. theres probably only about 20-30 real classic rap albums.
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Well vh1 has a show called Ultimate Albums and it had one episode based entirely around the MMLP. Whether any of you care for the opinions of vh1 is irrelevent. The fact remains that a national cable channel has dubbed it a classic and it is considred by at least the 17 million people that bought it world wide a classic. I'm not talking about the underground rap scene that hails shit albums from Canibus as classics. I'm talking about publications like Rollingstone magazine. So what if they're white guys writing the reviews? Eminem's white, and I bet so are most of the people on this forum.
What I think of the album is irrelevent, and classic is a subjective term, but when it's all said and done 50 years from now I believe Eminem will at least be remebered, and rembered for contraversial lyrics and classic albums. Personally I don't play it much anymore, but I also haven't listened to Doggiestyle or Chronic in literally years.
Personally I feel both of the previous two Eminem albums were better than Ready To Die, Me Agaist the World, Hell On Earth, 36 Chambers, and 2001. Those albums are considred by many to be classics. However, once again my opinion is meaningless. All I was trying to imply is that I believe (because I haven't tried it) if you were to go to a music store and ask if they considered MMLP or Eminem Show classics, that the majority would say yes.
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Well vh1 has a show called Ultimate Albums and it had one episode based entirely around the MMLP. Whether any of you care for the opinions of vh1 is irrelevent. The fact remains that a national cable channel has dubbed it a classic and it is considred by at least the 17 million people that bought it world wide a classic. I'm not talking about the underground rap scene that hails shit albums from Canibus as classics. I'm talking about publications like Rollingstone magazine. So what if they're white guys writing the reviews? Eminem's white, and I bet so are most of the people on this forum.
vh1's opinion doesnt count.. they have probably never heard 80% of rap's REAL classics... like illmatic, 36 chambers, etc. that goes for all those rollingstones guys too
Personally I feel both of the previous two Eminem albums were better than Ready To Die, Me Agaist the World, Hell On Earth, 36 Chambers, and 2001.
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All I was trying to imply is that I believe (because I haven't tried it) if you were to go to a music store and ask if they considered MMLP or Eminem Show classics, that the majority would say yes.
no.. were do u get that number, if u go to a hip hop record store, were people acutally know their rap and hip hop.. they will say eminem's album is good, but not a classic...
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Yeah but any hard core fan of music hates on successess. Go to a hard core Rock and Roll fan from the 70s and early 80s and ask them about Michael Jackson. They'll tell you he sucks, and sucks huge. Michael Jackson is rock n roll.
It isn't the thing to do to say Eminem makes classics. To be honest most hip hop artists hardly know what an album is. Go to some undergrong hip hop store and tell them Snoop's Doggiestyle better than anything by Common, or Mos Def, and they'll probably denounce DG as nothing more than an easy listen. Rollingstone magazine is a group of very knowledgable music fans. Some times politics come into play, but they do know what they're talking about.
I don't care if you think vh1 counts or not. The bottom line is it's the albums that break away from the hard core audience and make it big that become classics. Ask any hard core Wrestling fan how good a wrestler Hulk Hogan was in his prime and they'll tell you he was shit, but any wrestling journalist has to place him in the top 5 because of his impact, and impact adds to the term classic.
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eminem will never make a classic album. sslp will always be his best.
He'll never make a classic album to you, but to the general music public MMLP and Eminem Show are both considred classics. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a classic. I don't care much for Thriller, outside of a couple singles, but I would never deny that it's a classic.
bullshit, mmlp was his closest to a classic in most cats eyes.........eminem show was never considered anywhere near a classic......if u talkin about general people like 14 yr old white kids on some nice clean street then maybe, but where it counts in hiphop.......its a known fact eminem aint hit a classic yet..........all three albums got props.......but eminem show was considered kinda weak..........which i agree, within hiphop he got more props for the 8mile cd than for his 3rd solo......and i can see why.............and smartcat is on point.....eminem to date has not made a cd which niggaz within hiphop ranks would consider classic.......tho sslp got some fire and mmlp was pretty sick all the way......eminem show was annoying more than anything after mmlp....
pz
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Whether Personally I feel both of the previous two Eminem albums were better than Ready To Die, Me Agaist the World, Hell On Earth, 36 Chambers, and 2001. Those albums are considred by many to be classics.
^^these eminem groupies need to go.......man whether u dig the album more than those is one thing but to claim its better its both a groupie statement and bullshit........
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Whether Personally I feel both of the previous two Eminem albums were better than Ready To Die, Me Agaist the World, Hell On Earth, 36 Chambers, and 2001. Those albums are considred by many to be classics.
^^these eminem groupies need to go.......man whether u dig the album more than those is one thing but to claim its better its both a groupie statement and bullshit........
I'm no Eminem groupie. I don't even like hip hop too much anymore. Also, I never said that MMLP or Show were better than the above albums, I said I felt they were better, meaning I liked them better. I can justfully say that. Just like you probably feel Nas or Biggie are better than Bob Dylan, but to say eithe's lyrics are anywhere near the calibre or significance of Dylan's lyrics just plain stupid, and stupid is what I would call you. However if you said that you felt Nas more than Dylan, then I cannot dispiute that.
As for the Eminem Show, I'm talking about the Rock N Roll community (hip hop is part of Rock n Roll), not 14 year old white kids, but 25-40 men, who's race is irrelevent. Of course if the only music you listen to seriously is rap then you wouldn't understand.
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eminem will never make a classic album. sslp will always be his best.
He'll never make a classic album to you, but to the general music public MMLP and Eminem Show are both considred classics. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not a classic. I don't care much for Thriller, outside of a couple singles, but I would never deny that it's a classic.
why you coppin pleas for em? when did i ever say that i didnt like those albums?...and who is this "general music public"? provide some sources, cause like jay said "we don't believe you, you need more people" a classic must have replay value...what eminem album do you still play? if you consider eminem albums personal classics, thats fine by me, but i honestly dont see how any of them could be considered classics. that word gets thrown around on here way too much. theres probably only about 20-30 real classic rap albums.
SSLP is his best album. If any album is considered a classic of his, its that
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Dun really care much for Eminem, but I wouldn't mind hearing some new shit from him.
lmfaaaao@ shitty first singles. Yeah man, whassup w/ all the cartoon rap singles?
Dunno about Eminem putting out classic material, but yeah, if anything, I'd consider his first being a classic album.
HIP HOP isn't Rock 'N' Roll. WTF. We're juss talking about RAP (MCing) in here, nothing about Graph, Djing or Breaking mentioned by any1. HIP HOP is a culture.
Why the fuck are u comparing Nas to Bob Dylan? U can't compare the 2 man. This is a rap forum, get yer Rock N Roll bs outta here man! 2 different genre's, 2 completely different artists.
PS. Michael Jackson has never been Rock 'N' Roll, if he was considered RNR back in the day (WTF), thas prolly bcoz the term POP wasn't invented.
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while i dont like eminems "Poppy singles" i actually think there a brilliant idea.
Think to yourself about all of his poppy singles, My name is, without me, and the real slim shady. I know the lyrics to these songs back to front, because there so fucking over played.
But thats the brilliance. These songs get overplayed so dam much that everyone knows his new album is coming out.
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HIP HOP isn't Rock 'N' Roll. WTF. We're juss talking about RAP (MCing) in here, nothing about Graph, Djing or Breaking mentioned by any1. HIP HOP is a culture.
Yes it is. Every apsect of Rock and Roll has it traits that make it a "culture". Punk, Metal, Folk Rock, Psychodelic, Rockabilly,or Rhythm and Blues, Hip Hop is no different, and Chuck D knew this. Whether it be the fashion, the types of drugs or alcohol, the types of instruments they played, the style of dancig that went with them, they all had these aspects that were very different from each other and made them a "culture".
Why the fuck are u comparing Nas to Bob Dylan? U can't compare the 2 man. This is a rap forum, get yer Rock N Roll bs outta here man! 2 different genre's, 2 completely different artists.
First of all this is the Outbound forum so I can talk about Dylan with out breaking any guidelines. Second, I can compare Nas and Dylan as far as lyrics are concerened. Explain to me why I can't and what makes them completely different lyrically.
PS. Michael Jackson has never been Rock 'N' Roll, if he was considered RNR back in the day (WTF), thas prolly bcoz the term POP wasn't invented.
Pop isn't a genre it's a status. It only means you're popular. The billboard pop charts have been around for very long time. If the Beatles are Rock and MJ sure as hell is.
P.S. The term King of Pop was created by Jackson himself (what a loser). It wasn't dubbed upon him. I guess he just knew he couldn't surpass Elvis in the public eye, so he pseudo created his own genre and proclaimed to be the King of that.
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Some people in this thread are straight up trippin, thinkin Eminem ain't dope. None of his albums have disappointed, at least not me. I do think that his latest was his weakest in the long run, it played out. He was still a lyrical animal on that one though, it's just the beats that got tiring I guess. But at least I still bump the rest of his shit, plus the dopest Eminem Show cuts. (You can't say Business wasn't dope as fuck.) SSLP, MMLP - they're classic in my opinion.
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Im thinking SSLP should be at least be considered a classic
Becuase his single was something NEW (even though he's done the same thing 3 times now), even though it could be considered pop but, when I first heard it I was impressed becuase it was something most other rappers wern't doing (wasn't a flashy video showing off bling), nice concept, introducing himself to the world.
SSLP, MMLP - they're classic in my opinion.
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man we aint talkiin about rock n roll clowns in here, we talkin about hiphop heads....not linkin park and shit.....i like emiinem and i like nas.........but why the fuck u gon comapre him to bob dylan.......cvh1 dont mean shit nor duz rock clowns, we talkin about hiphop heads and what albums is considered classic by hiphopheads......man aintn no manz gon give a fuck about whether some clwon who dont know shit about proper hiphop claim eminem made 3 classics.........within hiphop headquarters........eminem has yet to hit a classic.......its a known fact.......dre got it, snoop got it, nas got it....not eminem......aint nobody sayin he aint dope..........but he aint made a classic yet and thats straight.....
pz
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Im thinking SSLP should be at least be considered a classic
Becuase his single was something NEW
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somethign new?........dre duz something like this with all his cats........eminems was mo pop than the rest but snoop did pretty much the same thang
pz
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man we aint talkiin about rock n roll clowns in here, we talkin about hiphop heads....not linkin park and shit.....i like emiinem and i like nas.........but why the fuck u gon comapre him to bob dylan.......cvh1 dont mean shit nor duz rock clowns, we talkin about hiphop heads and what albums is considered classic by hiphopheads......man aintn no manz gon give a fuck about whether some clwon who dont know shit about proper hiphop claim eminem made 3 classics.........within hiphop headquarters........eminem has yet to hit a classic.......its a known fact.......dre got it, snoop got it, nas got it....not eminem......aint nobody sayin he aint dope..........but he aint made a classic yet and thats straight.....
pz
What exaclty defines a hip hop head? Who gives a shit what a bunch of losers with back packs and too much time on their hands, who only listen to one type of music, think? Like I said the general public thinks it's a classic and that matters more than some goofball hardcore fan. Like I said about MJ. Most hardcore music fans think he's a joke, and his album sucked, but the general public thinks it's a classic, so it is. There is no facts, it's all opinions. "It's a known fact". What the fuck are you talking about? Here's a known fact; the grass is green in spring. There is no facts when it comes to the quality of music.
In my opinion all of the Eminem albums were good but none were classics. In fact I don't consider any hip hop album ever to be anywhere near a classic. Pink Floyd's the Wall, and Dark Side of the Moon, the Beatles Revolver and Sgt. Peppers, Led Zeppelin 1 through 4, Springsteen's Born To Run, the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds, Bob Dylan's Highway 61: These are classics. Hip Hop is a joke compared to this.
As for Dylan vs Nas lyrically. How about you give me one valid reason why I can't compare them?
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Im thinking SSLP should be at least be considered a classic
Becuase his single was something NEW
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somethign new?........dre duz something like this with all his cats........eminems was mo pop than the rest but snoop did pretty much the same thang
pz
what eminem did with that single sounded nothing like snoop dogg has ever done ::)
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mmlp is classic imo, but its only my opinnion.
eminem show was his weakeast album but it still was dope when it came out.
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man we aint talkiin about rock n roll clowns in here, we talkin about hiphop heads....not linkin park and shit.....i like emiinem and i like nas.........but why the fuck u gon comapre him to bob dylan.......cvh1 dont mean shit nor duz rock clowns, we talkin about hiphop heads and what albums is considered classic by hiphopheads......man aintn no manz gon give a fuck about whether some clwon who dont know shit about proper hiphop claim eminem made 3 classics.........within hiphop headquarters........eminem has yet to hit a classic.......its a known fact.......dre got it, snoop got it, nas got it....not eminem......aint nobody sayin he aint dope..........but he aint made a classic yet and thats straight.....
pz
What exaclty defines a hip hop head? Who gives a shit what a bunch of losers with back packs and too much time on their hands, who only listen to one type of music, think? Like I said the general public thinks it's a classic and that matters more than some goofball hardcore fan. Like I said about MJ. Most hardcore music fans think he's a joke, and his album sucked, but the general public thinks it's a classic, so it is. There is no facts, it's all opinions. "It's a known fact". What the fuck are you talking about? Here's a known fact; the grass is green in spring. There is no facts when it comes to the quality of music.
In my opinion all of the Eminem albums were good but none were classics. In fact I don't consider any hip hop album ever to be anywhere near a classic. Pink Floyd's the Wall, and Dark Side of the Moon, the Beatles Revolver and Sgt. Peppers, Led Zeppelin 1 through 4, Springsteen's Born To Run, the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds, Bob Dylan's Highway 61: These are classics. Hip Hop is a joke compared to this.
As for Dylan vs Nas lyrically. How about you give me one valid reason why I can't compare them?
hahahaha, who said hiphop heads be losers! man just cuz some cats only listen to one kind of music, let it be, dont mean they losers.......id consider cats who listen to that rock bullshit and korn and all that bullshit losers,cats with no lifes and shit.......but thats just my opinion.......but what all rappers try to get is respect from hiphopheads, thats what alot of it is about, ofcourse general cats to but without the respect of hiphopheads, u aint shit.......eminem got respect, im jus sayin, in my opinion and many other cats, alot who be hiphop heads, he aint hit a classic yet......but its about getting respect within that circle....all the best rappers will tell u that shit, they even say it themselves..........and why the fuck u come post on a hiphop board if u dont like rap no more......u the cat with to much time on your hands.....eminem groupies/losers gotta go
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Im thinking SSLP should be at least be considered a classic
Becuase his single was something NEW
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somethign new?........dre duz something like this with all his cats........eminems was mo pop than the rest but snoop did pretty much the same thang
pz
what eminem did with that single sounded nothing like snoop dogg has ever done ::)
obviously u just another cat who dont know shit, snoop and eminem have been compared many times......eminem has said this himself......and what eminem did with his first single is basically introduce himself to the world........that shit aint new at all.......go check dogystyle
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Im thinking SSLP should be at least be considered a classic
Becuase his single was something NEW
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somethign new?........dre duz something like this with all his cats........eminems was mo pop than the rest but snoop did pretty much the same thang
pz
what eminem did with that single sounded nothing like snoop dogg has ever done ::)
obviously u just another cat who dont know shit, snoop and eminem have been compared many times......eminem has said this himself......and what eminem did with his first single is basically introduce himself to the world........that shit aint new at all.......go check dogystyle
Jesus christ. I know they've been compared before. Im not talking about that. Im talking about the stylle em used for his single.
Im talking about the way he did it. He used comedy, had some wierd ass lines in his single that I doubt snoop would ever say.
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man we aint talkiin about rock n roll clowns in here, we talkin about hiphop heads....not linkin park and shit.....i like emiinem and i like nas.........but why the fuck u gon comapre him to bob dylan.......cvh1 dont mean shit nor duz rock clowns, we talkin about hiphop heads and what albums is considered classic by hiphopheads......man aintn no manz gon give a fuck about whether some clwon who dont know shit about proper hiphop claim eminem made 3 classics.........within hiphop headquarters........eminem has yet to hit a classic.......its a known fact.......dre got it, snoop got it, nas got it....not eminem......aint nobody sayin he aint dope..........but he aint made a classic yet and thats straight.....
pz
What exaclty defines a hip hop head? Who gives a shit what a bunch of losers with back packs and too much time on their hands, who only listen to one type of music, think? Like I said the general public thinks it's a classic and that matters more than some goofball hardcore fan. Like I said about MJ. Most hardcore music fans think he's a joke, and his album sucked, but the general public thinks it's a classic, so it is. There is no facts, it's all opinions. "It's a known fact". What the fuck are you talking about? Here's a known fact; the grass is green in spring. There is no facts when it comes to the quality of music.
In my opinion all of the Eminem albums were good but none were classics. In fact I don't consider any hip hop album ever to be anywhere near a classic. Pink Floyd's the Wall, and Dark Side of the Moon, the Beatles Revolver and Sgt. Peppers, Led Zeppelin 1 through 4, Springsteen's Born To Run, the Beach Boy's Pet Sounds, Bob Dylan's Highway 61: These are classics. Hip Hop is a joke compared to this.
As for Dylan vs Nas lyrically. How about you give me one valid reason why I can't compare them?
hahahaha, who said hiphop heads be losers! man just cuz some cats only listen to one kind of music, let it be, dont mean they losers.......id consider cats who listen to that rock bullshit and korn and all that bullshit losers,cats with no lifes and shit.......but thats just my opinion.......but what all rappers try to get is respect from hiphopheads, thats what alot of it is about, ofcourse general cats to but without the respect of hiphopheads, u aint shit.......eminem got respect, im jus sayin, in my opinion and many other cats, alot who be hiphop heads, he aint hit a classic yet......but its about getting respect within that circle....all the best rappers will tell u that shit, they even say it themselves..........and why the fuck u come post on a hiphop board if u dont like rap no more......u the cat with to much time on your hands.....eminem groupies/losers gotta go
First, and I've said it before, this is the outbound connection, where free discussion of all music is accepted. I may not like rap artists as much as other artists, but that doesn't mean I don't still listen and coment on it.
I think you're missing my point with the whole loser thing. I didn't mean that hip hop only fans are losers. What I meant was anyone that only listens to one type of music is close minded and I don't care for their opinions. Sorry for the confusion. I just prefer the opinions of people who listen to everything, or at least a variety of music. You call yourself Lyrical G, you'd probably like the old Dylan stuff. (Springsteen and Niel Young too).
You say rap is about getting respect in the hip hop head circle. I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say it's about money, first and foremost. If they weren't getting paid the money they got they would not be rapping too much. Nelly doesn't get any respect from the hip hop heads, I don't think he really cares.
Define rock bull shit. Like I said before it's all rock n roll, there are just different types of it. Black Sabbath sounds nothing like the Beatles but they're both rock. The Clash sounds nothing like Elvis but they're both rock, and Nirvana sounds nothing like Public Enemy, and if you don't believe me ask Chuck D, they're both rock.
You say I have too much time on my hands. I've been here about 3 months less than you. Almost 3 years. I have 400 posts, you have more than 3000. Just about everyone that's been here as long as me has way more posts. I really don't have as much time as you claim.
(I by no means intended for my claim of low posts to be an insult to those with high post counts)
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I think all of Em's albums are classics or near classics.
PS...Pink Floyd is the shit.
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to the topic, the 1st single drops 20th september! its called "losw it"
source: www.shadybase.com
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^ i think its called "just lose it".