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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: DAYUM on December 19, 2004, 09:24:29 PM
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Jay Z. fuck the haters snoop is makein great music and if he keeps it up hes gonna be as great or if not greater then what Jay Z is/was. i think Jay Z sucks but everyone else thinks hes the best rapper n stuff and i think snoops gonna be the next best rapper especially with the neptunes help... and i know yall hardcore west coast fans are gonna hate it but fuck it Snoop is the king of the west coast as a matter of fact he is the west coast.
some of yall are gonna hate me but who agrees? share your opinions...
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I will say that Snoop Needs to do alot of stuff to be on the same level as Jay Z, in my opinion Jay Z is the best Rapper around, why? he did it all he had more than 10 singles that had heavy rotations on radio, and he didnt need to change his style to have success...Jay Z could release an album acapella and it would still go platinum plus.about Snoop , he got an ego there is like 10 or 15 songs that we could call "whats my name" he keeps talking shit and he's not that good as a business man, Yes he puts his nose everywhere (thats what Snoopin is about anyway) but he needs to step his game up
but if he works things out in a few years I might call Him the greatest but with this latest release he's just a rapper who still want to sell
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I agree with you....I try not to be overbearing with my view of snoop because of how "militant" some of these dudes on the forum get but I agree with everything you posted ...one thing about jay z was that he's a great thinker and I believe his success was meticulously planned out and snoop more or less just went with the punches and always does what he has to do to maintain... but it seems like for snoop the worst is behind him and he can finally do the things he needs to do to make himself the icon he always claimed to be...he over came his murder case ...his break from death row....his seperation from dr dre ...the dysfunction of his own groups and his own lable (dogghouse/doggystyle records) etc. and always came out on top....its time for snoop to reap the benefits of all the years he put into the game...
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another thing ...he fucking sucks as a CEO...dude doesnt know how to promote his artists
look at LaToiya Williams , in 2002 she had a great single, everybody was anticipating the video, then snoop came out with this wack ass low budget video, then everybody took it as a joke and didnt realize how talented she was...Later that year Snoop released one of his wackest album (Paid Tha cost) wich included a song with LaToiya Williams called "I believe In You" it was produced By Hi Tek.Of course with the success of "Beautiful" (fuck Snoop for not putting Charlie Wilson on the video) he didnt think about releasing a 3rd single "Lollipop" was blowing up on mixtapes and "I Believe In You " was the Jam...if this shit was a single LaToiya Williams would be known everywhere and would be on the same level as Jill Scott or Mary J Blge..but nah Snoop Is too selfish
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King of the West? Not at all.
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another thing ...he fucking sucks as a CEO...dude doesnt know how to promote his artists
look at LaToiya Williams , in 2002 she had a great single, everybody was anticipating the video, then snoop came out with this wack ass low budget video, then everybody took it as a joke and didnt realize how talented she was...Later that year Snoop released one of his wackest album (Paid Tha cost) wich included a song with LaToiya Williams called "I believe In You" it was produced By Hi Tek.Of course with the success of "Beautiful" (fuck Snoop for not putting Charlie Wilson on the video) he didnt think about releasing a 3rd single "Lollipop" was blowing up on mixtapes and "I Believe In You " was the Jam...if this shit was a single LaToiya Williams would be known everywhere and would be on the same level as Jill Scott or Mary J Blge..but nah Snoop Is too selfish
Its all about knowing your roll and the timing of your shit....none of jay z prodeges ever blew....
kanye could have blown up on his own....cam was trying to leave the roc as soon as his album went plat...
snoops ceo mishaps dont detract from snoop as a rapper to me...I never seen bruce springsting promote the e street band in its heyday but does that make him less of an icon?...but never the less your comparison is on point... buisness is not one of snoops finer points.....
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King of the West? Not at all.
then who?
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For Me Snoop Will Be The King when I'll hear an album with some serious topic On it not bullshit bout pimpin hoes or smoking weed...I wanna hear some knowledge, I wanna laern from his music and another thing he will be the King when he will release an album produced by His DoggHouse Productions Team Only , cuz whats the point of Having a productions team if u dont use it?...in Other words when Snoop will Do a good album on his own with good lyrics I might call him The King ...but for now he's just the dude that Made History 12 years ago that is trying to keep his name out there
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he's just the dude that Made History 12 years ago that is trying to keep his name out there
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Snoop's makin good music huh?
"Wow" - Mase
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Snoop could be the king if he wasnt so wack. He tries to be a pimp while his married(not anymore) and he keeps making wacky albums one after the other in a sequence that hasnt stopped since the doggfather, excluding Tha last meal. For now i think the king of the west is Ice cube.
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first off if snoop aint the king then who is? dont name sum fuckin underground artist only ppl in cali know about... the only person who can come close to being the king besides snoop is Ice Cube or Dre but i think its snoop becuase he holds it down for the West coast everyone knows wheres hes from
second all yall fuckin suck if its too mainstream and everyone likes it everyone on this board hates it... Snoop last album was bangin and everyone i know loves it the only ppl who dont are on this board but yall are never gonna listen tho yall are just gonna listen to underground stuff and be mad that the west is never gonna come back but im not attacking the underground cuzz thats mainly what i bump but im just saying if its mainstream yall aint feeling it thats why i think this main section is full of shit
but thats my 2 cents
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Snoop's makin good music huh?
"Wow" - Mase
no one takes your opinion serious anyways bitch
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jay-z sucks? naw, thats lil harsh to say...
snoop is the westcoast? dont think so :-\
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Snoop's makin good music huh?
"Wow" - Mase
no one takes your opinion serious anyways bitch
stop gettin yo feelings hurt over snoop. he dont know or care about you.
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I totally agree with the thread starter. Snoop is doing big things, and IMO is already better than Jay-Z and will continue to get better if he sticks with then neptunes, i'm liking the sound the two bring together. Also there is no question that snoop is the king of the westcoast because if u ask anyone about the westcoast right now the first name that wil come out of their mouth when thinkin about the westcoast is Snoop Dogg.
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dre is king of west coast
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....its time for snoop to reap the benefits of all the years he put into the game...
I agree....Im just waiting for Snoop to get back with Dre and solidify his career...I think if Snoop can put out one more album and have major input from Dre then he will be looked at as one of the best of all time...Hes prolly somewhere in the top 10 now but if he can do another dope album with Dre I would def put him as a top 5 or even a top 3 rapper of all time.
Also, as much as I like Dre and Cube I wouldnt call them King of the Westcoast....Dre aint even a rapper, and when he works its ONLY with EASTCOAST artists...Ice Cube doesnt work enough in the rap game to be king of anything...The song he did on the Lil Jon album was cool, but Cube didnt even come that good on it....He got outshined by Jada, Nas and T.I. on one song, and on "Roll Call" I got so sick of him over using the word "Nigga" I cant even listen to that song anymore...Snoop is definatly the king of the coast. He went hard on the mixtape scene all last year, and has been dropping platinum albums representing the westcoast for at least the last 10 years....I cant say that about anyone else.
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snoop is a character, that's it
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how can u say that dre only works wit westcoast artists? who produced snoops album tha neptunes shit it even has nelly and justin timblelake on there dont it? snoop aint tha king anymore. Besides how do u define bein tha king of the coast? by record sales or jus opinion if its opinions i wud say i think kurupt his albums r always brilliant and u can never get tired of them
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Besides how do u define bein tha king of the coast? by record sales or jus opinion if its opinions i wud say i think kurupt his albums r always brilliant and u can never get tired of them
Kurupt has one brilliant album, and only 3 solos...He is washed up IMO nowadays and going back to the row fucked his career up big time. How can Kurupt be the King of the westcoast when he hasnt dropped an album since what 2000? To be a king of anything you have to have longevity, be respected and be a boss and Kurupt does not display any of these qualitys to me...There are many more reasons aswell but it doesnt matter what u say on DubCC cuz for every fan there are 2-3 haters so whatever Im just tryin to voice my opinion....
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Snoop's makin good music huh?
"Wow" - Mase
no one takes your opinion serious anyways bitch
stop gettin yo feelings hurt over snoop. he dont know or care about you.
nah man i just dont like u, cuz...
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I havn;t bought a snoop album since Top Dogg...but he is the King Of Mainstream Rap in the west...but i'd really give that to Xzibit haha, tat least Xzibit's worst albums are better than anything Snoop's made in a WHILE.
Funny story, there's this guy at the church i go too. He bought Snoop's new album becuase of Drop it Like It's Hot...and the guy only plays that song all day, i even asked his bro if it was true and he said yes lol....i asked him why he doens't play the any other songs he says "cause the rest suck" lol anywayz, this guy is a retard ;D
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Snoop Dogg was already Jay-Z. People give Jay-Z's career more credit than it deserves because of his great last album, but if his career ended with Best of Both Worlds, or Blueprint 2, basically that was during the time when Jigga was thought of as a dissappointment sell out. Sounds like Snoopy to me. Both Jay-Z and Snoop have 3 great albums and 1 5 mic album a piece. Jay-Z's great albums are Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and Black Album with Blueprint being his classic. Snoop has Doggystyle, Top Dogg and The Last Meal. Both tried to put out new talent on their lables, both never could get their talent to platnum status. (Kanye West was more on his own rather than a Jay-Z protege.) Both are unquestionable in terms of top 10 greatest rapper status. Both are the kings of the mainstream world of their coast since Big and 'Pac died. Basically they both have had simular careers, two of the most talented MCs that put out classic albums, but always left the people dissappointment because they put their efforts in trying to build an empire of their coast, that their music suffered too, and they resorted to putting out commerical music and hot singles rather than classic albums.
Who's the kings of the coast now. Well lets put it this way, the love that Snoop is getting is no where near what he was getting for the past 8-9-10 years. Snoop has fallen off in Cali. The one person I think that is close is Xzibit, his coming up, his show Pimp My Ride is watched by everyone I know, and if he can put out Strong Arm Steady, and be sucessful with it, he'll prove himself as a boss figure. Dre you can say is the king, but like he called himself, his the Ace. His above king because his more than king of the coast, his almost like the king of hip-hop. He has 50 from the east, he has Eminem from the mid-west, he signed Busta Rhymes and Eve, also from the east, Ice Cube from the west, Dre has a nationwide empire, to be king of the west is an insult to Dre, my man is on top of the country. Xzibit though, he looks to be the one coming up with his new album, hell he even calls himself king of California which is a good thing, as every king including Cube and Biggie has claimed the crown. The only king that didn't was 'Pac, but his a different story all together. King of New York is Nas, Jadakiss from what I'm seeing over here looks to be doing well though. We'll see what the future holds.
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when did dre become king of the coast?.........dre was NEVER king of the coast, his the ACE of the coast.......dre aint a artist first..........he runs the coast thats true, but snoop has been king for years.........say what ya want about ice cube but he doin movies full time....until someone aint comin over to take over the crown and snoop aint puttin the mic down, he'll always be the king........just off dogstyle n chronic
oh the subject of jigga n snoop.......they alike in some ways but id check a snoop cd anytime befo jigga
pz
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oh the subject of jigga n snoop.......they alike in some ways but id check a snoop cd anytime befo jigga
co-sign
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I pretty much co-sign on anything you said there, but actually I don't really like any of Jay-Zs cds. The Black Album probably was the best, but if I got to rate that one, it'd be 3.5/5. And about Snoop to be the NEXT? He was the LAST, put it that way. He won't grow any bigger than he's been unless he hooks back up with Dre and gets his ass signed to Aftermath to put out a 5/5 album. Otherwise... The west will need some elections because they don't have a king. Xzibit is the one that comes closest, but still he's not ruling a thing so far.