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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite on May 24, 2005, 09:11:43 PM
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First 3 Albums... each one of them being superior hip-hop albums, progressing in sound and style from one album to the next.
.....and then falling off head first on the 4th record, losing sight of all content, determination, and skill.
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Xzibit's first couple albums were dope, now he's just wack. Eminem, how can you say he fell off? He was never on. I mean listen to his first 2 albums, shit sounds like a cartoon with his stupid ass rhymes. I don't know aobut his 3rd one becausei didnt listen to it.
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what the fuck are you talking about? "Man Vs. Machine" is a banger!
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Xzibit had At the speed of life and 40 days that were bangers. Restless was average i dont know about his others albums. What can I say about eminem ??? I liked some songs on his first too albums and thats about it, I cant really say about Infinite but i heard a few tracks and yes he wasn't bad. But people who consider his last 2 albums the greatest seriously need to listen to more hip-hop.
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I'd give Xzibit an advantage out fo the two tho. At least X has had a few dope tracks in the past few years. Eminem maybe had 1 or 2.
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X's 1st 3 albums were the shit....his "man vs machine" was alright but his worst one while "weapons of mass destruction is great.....x hasnt fallen off wutchu talkin bout....and eminem's "encore" is dope i dont give a flying fuck if i'm the only fool in this forum thinkin "encore" is dope
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^^HAHA! U like their worst albums!...lol....anyways, Em was good on his first 2 cd's, now he's garbage, x has more bangers out imo than em, so id give it to X to tha Z
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First 3 Albums... each one of them being superior hip-hop albums, progressing in sound and style from one album to the next.
.....and then falling off head first on the 4th record, losing sight of all content, determination, and skill.
agreed except imo i think eminem fell off after Marshall Mathers LP but he continues to bring out some nice singles (not albums) every now and then
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how come they stopped working together?
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both didnt fall off
em is just bored from the game now... he needs some one to stepand battle him o he gonna stay at his encore level unless dre motivates him somehow......
as for xzibit he is still talented all he needs to do is stop thinking he is a crip and look for a better label thansony cause they fukkin him up cause he is affliated with dre
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X is making better music compared to eminem's wack ass...em fell the fuck off, plain and simple. His music is almost as bad as chingy.
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You cant compare xzibit with eminem because xzibit its way better then eminem.Eminem is mad overrated, eminems 3 first album are nowhere near classic albums and the fourth we shouldnt even talk about..
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both didnt fall off
em is just bored from the game now... he needs some one to stepand battle him o he gonna stay at his encore level unless dre motivates him somehow......
as for xzibit he is still talented all he needs to do is stop thinking he is a crip and look for a better label thansony cause they fukkin him up cause he is affliated with dre
I totally disagree wit you here,firstly,both rappers have fell off.Secondly,if Em is bored of rap,he should stop doing it until he gets some interest.& about that thing that he needs to battle someone is bullshit,lol,wasnt that shit wit Ja Rule more than enough???Wasnt Em the one that made Like Toy Soldiers,as you can see,he's tired of battling (atleast Ja & Benzino).As for X cripwalkin,man,ever since he dropped WOMD he's stopped.Tell me,when's the last time you've seen him do that???Exactly,he hasnt done that for a long fuckin time.
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Weapons of Mass Destruction was tight, so Xzibit hasn't fallen off. Emimem on the other hand, has fallen off like a skydiver.
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eminem has never had an album more than 4/5 much less superior
x's catalogue shits on ems
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both didnt fall off
em is just bored from the game now... he needs some one to stepand battle him o he gonna stay at his encore level unless dre motivates him somehow......
as for xzibit he is still talented all he needs to do is stop thinking he is a crip and look for a better label thansony cause they fukkin him up cause he is affliated with dre
I totally disagree wit you here,firstly,both rappers have fell off.Secondly,if Em is bored of rap,he should stop doing it until he gets some interest.& about that thing that he needs to battle someone is bullshit,lol,wasnt that shit wit Ja Rule more than enough???Wasnt Em the one that made Like Toy Soldiers,as you can see,he's tired of battling (atleast Ja & Benzino).As for X cripwalkin,man,ever since he dropped WOMD he's stopped.Tell me,when's the last time you've seen him do that???Exactly,he hasnt done that for a long fuckin time.
i respect ur opinion.....however i still disgaree
em didnt come lyrically wack on encore.... actually he came aight.. only prob is he repeated eminem show
encore is a carbon copy of eminem show.... even the features r similar
u heared his tim westwood freestyle that was 2004.. actually mid 2004
wat about his verse on warrior part 2
aight wat about his verse on game's album
em still shits on most of the mc's in the industry... its just.. i dunno i think he needs more motivation.. or some one big like jay or nas to diss him
the thing about him quitting.. i think he is financially able to quit.. however he has 2 drop an album every 2 years on aftermath/interscope there is a contract.. it aint like he gone call dre and jimmy 'wassup, i dont feel like droppin a album, i quit, send me my cheque'
as for xzibit.. all xzibit needs is promo and a strong single... west coastish beat... cause the shit hedid with timbo was aight but not compared to X or get your walk on
and the thing about crip walking.... idunno when did he stop but he still doin GANGSTA music which is not him.... i actually dont care wat kinda music he makes
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X has fallin off. I used to like him now I dont ,and thats the definition of fallin off. 2 good albums to 2 wack albums, and 1 being wack as fuck, cuz sucks. Theres a reason he gets no luv outside of cali, and cant even move peanuts with a damn hit show on mtv.
IE
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They are both dope artists. X has been a lil' more consistant. But I disagree with people sayin' he's better than Em. Whether you like or hate him(which most of you wannabe Pacs, thugs, and gangstas do), he's still regarded as one of the greatest mc's in Hip Hop. And this has come str8 out of the mouths of Rakim, KRS ONE, Jay-z, Freddie Fox, LL Cool J, and Guru of Gangstarr. You dont have to like him, but you cant deny his talent. ENCORE was wack ! hands down. The Eminem Show was aii8. The Slim Shady LP was a dope debut, and The Marshall Mathers LP was a classic. Period. Xzibit is more consistant than Em and has not fallin' as hard as Em has, but I dont give a fuck what you guys think...X doesn't have an album as great as TMMLP, and he doesn't have an album anywhere near as wack as ENCORE. Just my two cents.
Peace
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^^ i pretty much agree w/ every thing u said
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I think Eminem can be exceptionally good when he wants to be, but I'm not feeling the double standard he gets though. He can put out some weak ass shit that if any other legitimate mc put out they would lose all respect and become a laughingstock. I know he has always tried to incorporate humor into his music, but there is a difference between humor and garbage. Eminem's highs and lows are more extreme than Xzibit's like others have previously said. Bottom line both have fallen off.
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Weapons of Mass Destruction was tight, so Xzibit hasn't fallen off. Emimem on the other hand, has fallen off like a skydiver.
yeah i agree with that. x proved he still got it, whereas eminem fell of baad, mostly to adapt to todays crappy commercial fanbase. dude used to spit back in his underground days
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Xzibit kinda fell off but hes still way better then Eminem...
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Eminem's career took a severe blow with the release of "Ass Like That." Easily, one of the worst tracks ever made. Eminem is not, never has been, nor will be, one of the greats. D-12 World, Eminem Show and Encore have all proved that.
X on the other hand slipped a couple times, and I blame that on Dre's Executive Production. He allowed X to put such trash on his records.
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Weapons of Mass Destruction was tight, so Xzibit hasn't fallen off. Emimem on the other hand, has fallen off like a skydiver.
yeah i agree with that. x proved he still got it, whereas eminem fell of baad, mostly to adapt to todays crappy commercial fanbase. dude used to spit back in his underground days
Word,Eminem is so focused on what sells he's become one dimensional as where X IMO is one of the most diverse Mc's in the game. Womd proves that.
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Eminem's career took a severe blow with the release of "Ass Like That." Easily, one of the worst tracks ever made. Eminem is not, never has been, nor will be, one of the greats. D-12 World, Eminem Show and Encore have all proved that.
there is a reason why eminem is how he is now..
he is being forced to follow a stereotype by his contract.. once he gains more freedom he will change
right now he (and dre) are forced to go and make these cheesy singles by jimmy i..
eminem has himself stated that he and dre HATE making these singles but have to so the album will not get rejected again.
this is why eminems albums are following a samey formula.. he's enslaved by the corporate machine.
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Eminem's career took a severe blow with the release of "Ass Like That." Easily, one of the worst tracks ever made. Eminem is not, never has been, nor will be, one of the greats. D-12 World, Eminem Show and Encore have all proved that.
there is a reason why eminem is how he is now..
he is being forced to follow a stereotype by his contract.. once he gains more freedom he will change
right now he (and dre) are forced to go and make these cheesy singles by jimmy i..
eminem has himself stated that he and dre HATE making these singles but have to so the album will not get rejected again.
this is why eminems albums are following a samey formula.. he's enslaved by the corporate machine.
Is that a valid reason for making the ENTIRE album that way? What's a rapper without freedom of speech?
Fuck that. Eminem is probably the most overrated rapper of all time. Slim Shady LP was allright. Not classic. FAR from classic. And I even like that one better than MMLP. There's no fucking way those albums are classics. Are they full of amazing songs? No way. Have they had a huge influence on most of the rap records made ever since? Not at all. If you really consider those albums classics, you may need to check out some more hiphop before judging. Even I know that, with my limited knowledge ;)
Xzibit, however... Still can come pretty strong. WOMD proved that. I don't think he ever released a wack album - worst he ever did was "allright" with MVM.
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Eh... They need ONE lead single like that. It's not needed more than once. Eminem and Dre are TOP bread winners on Interscope, fuck the dumb, they could say no. Iovine would give in.
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*listens to Eminem "Get You Mad" and reminisces of better times*
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*listens to Eminem "Get You Mad" and reminisces of better times*
Preach!!!!
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Eminem's career took a severe blow with the release of "Ass Like That." Easily, one of the worst tracks ever made. Eminem is not, never has been, nor will be, one of the greats. D-12 World, Eminem Show and Encore have all proved that.
X on the other hand slipped a couple times, and I blame that on Dre's Executive Production. He allowed X to put such trash on his records.
So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
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So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
Rakim, Kris, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jigger all said that prior to the TRASH he's released in the past few years, let us not forget.
He dropped 2 good solo's, 2 HORRIBLE solos. 1 mediocre group album. 1 garbage group album. He "outshined" Jigger on one track, WOW! So, really, he's not all that great.
Jigger > Em.
The difference between me and you here pal is this: You follow what you hear. I hear 50 Cent is a genious, do I believe it? Nope! I don't care who says it.
Restless may have sold the most out of all of X's albums, but that don't mean shit. Where did his fans go? Oh yea, they went with Dre, because they were only their for Dre. X lost a good chunk of his original Fan base with Restless and MVM, he gained it back with Weapons...
Holla!
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^^ You're on point at the moment... I give you my props for that.
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So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
Rakim, Kris, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jigger all said that prior to the TRASH he's released in the past few years, let us not forget.
He dropped 2 good solo's, 2 HORRIBLE solos. 1 mediocre group album. 1 garbage group album. He "outshined" Jigger on one track, WOW! So, really, he's not all that great.
Jigger > Em.
The difference between me and you here pal is this: You follow what you hear. I hear 50 Cent is a genious, do I believe it? Nope! I don't care who says it.
Restless may have sold the most out of all of X's albums, but that don't mean shit. Where did his fans go? Oh yea, they went with Dre, because they were only their for Dre. X lost a good chunk of his original Fan base with Restless and MVM, he gained it back with Weapons...
Holla!
nice post
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Eminem's career took a severe blow with the release of "Ass Like That." Easily, one of the worst tracks ever made. Eminem is not, never has been, nor will be, one of the greats. D-12 World, Eminem Show and Encore have all proved that.
there is a reason why eminem is how he is now..
he is being forced to follow a stereotype by his contract.. once he gains more freedom he will change
right now he (and dre) are forced to go and make these cheesy singles by jimmy i..
eminem has himself stated that he and dre HATE making these singles but have to so the album will not get rejected again.
this is why eminems albums are following a samey formula.. he's enslaved by the corporate machine.
Is that a valid reason for making the ENTIRE album that way? What's a rapper without freedom of speech?
Fuck that. Eminem is probably the most overrated rapper of all time. Slim Shady LP was allright. Not classic. FAR from classic. And I even like that one better than MMLP. There's no fucking way those albums are classics. Are they full of amazing songs? No way. Have they had a huge influence on most of the rap records made ever since? Not at all. If you really consider those albums classics, you may need to check out some more hiphop before judging. Even I know that, with my limited knowledge ;)
Xzibit, however... Still can come pretty strong. WOMD proved that. I don't think he ever released a wack album - worst he ever did was "allright" with MVM.
TMMLP brought in people who were never into rap suddenly love rap. It made younger generations become fans and want to become artists themselves from all over the world. It had no skippable track. Great songs ? Where the hell have you been ? lol Stan, Kill You, The Way I Am, Who Knew?, Remember w/Sticky Fingaz & RBX, Bitch Please 2 w/Dre, Xzibit, Snoop & Nate Dogg, Criminal.....ect.
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come on people both these guys int drop no shit albums they dope an they got dope tunes on each cd
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Nelly has brought in tons of fans who aren't typical to Hip Hop. So did Hammer, Vanilla Ice etc. that statement isn't valid.
MMLP had some AIGHT tracks, nothing amazing. I'd get in depth, but I gotta leave work. I'll edit this later.
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TMMLP brought in people who were never into rap suddenly love rap.
Obviously you are one of them. Unfortunately it was not for the best.
SGV is on point with his posts. Let's leave it at that.
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So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
Rakim, Kris, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jigger all said that prior to the TRASH he's released in the past few years, let us not forget.
He dropped 2 good solo's, 2 HORRIBLE solos. 1 mediocre group album. 1 garbage group album. He "outshined" Jigger on one track, WOW! So, really, he's not all that great.
Jigger > Em.
The difference between me and you here pal is this: You follow what you hear. I hear 50 Cent is a genious, do I believe it? Nope! I don't care who says it.
Restless may have sold the most out of all of X's albums, but that don't mean shit. Where did his fans go? Oh yea, they went with Dre, because they were only their for Dre. X lost a good chunk of his original Fan base with Restless and MVM, he gained it back with Weapons...
Holla!
second point about xzibit is true
shit about eminem.. i still disagree
u r underrating eminem severely
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His first 4 albums are all very good to excellent in my book. He also came good on 8mile ost and Patiently Waiting and the Source Disses. After that, I dunno what happened, but he fell the fuck of so damn hard it makes my eyes shiny. Comparing MM LP to Encore .. that's not even possible. MM LP is on whole other level, in EVERY aspect. He really SPITS there. His verses on Encore are either semi-singing and/or heartless droning.
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TMMLP brought in people who were never into rap suddenly love rap.
Obviously you are one of them. Unfortunately it was not for the best.
SGV is on point with his posts. Let's leave it at that.
Oh please, you both are a couple of wannabe internet gangstas who think it's cool to go against the public norm. Judging ur posts, I was prolly listening to Hip Hop before you even knew who Kool Mo Dee, Africa Bombatta, Kool Kieth, or Dr. Octagon were. So STFU before you make false assumptions.
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So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
Rakim, Kris, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jigger all said that prior to the TRASH he's released in the past few years, let us not forget.
He dropped 2 good solo's, 2 HORRIBLE solos. 1 mediocre group album. 1 garbage group album. He "outshined" Jigger on one track, WOW! So, really, he's not all that great.
Jigger > Em.
The difference between me and you here pal is this: You follow what you hear. I hear 50 Cent is a genious, do I believe it? Nope! I don't care who says it.
Restless may have sold the most out of all of X's albums, but that don't mean shit. Where did his fans go? Oh yea, they went with Dre, because they were only their for Dre. X lost a good chunk of his original Fan base with Restless and MVM, he gained it back with Weapons...
Holla!
word
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So by saying he's not one of the greats your defying the majority, let alone Rakim, KRS ONE, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jay-Z. They all said Eminem is one of the greatest. That shows how bias you are. Why did u focus on D12 World and Encore and not mention TSSLP or TMMLP or what he did for 8-Mile, what he did for 2001, or how he shits on Jay-Z in the song 'Renegade' ? Why not mention all the fans he's brought into on an international level because of his first two albums ? and people say that X fell off with WOMD. What Dre did for X is make him bigger than he ever was, especially with his most successfull album to date - Restless.
Rakim, Kris, Freddie Fox, Guru, Nas and Jigger all said that prior to the TRASH he's released in the past few years, let us not forget.
He dropped 2 good solo's, 2 HORRIBLE solos. 1 mediocre group album. 1 garbage group album. He "outshined" Jigger on one track, WOW! So, really, he's not all that great.
Jigger > Em.
The difference between me and you here pal is this: You follow what you hear. I hear 50 Cent is a genious, do I believe it? Nope! I don't care who says it.
Restless may have sold the most out of all of X's albums, but that don't mean shit. Where did his fans go? Oh yea, they went with Dre, because they were only their for Dre. X lost a good chunk of his original Fan base with Restless and MVM, he gained it back with Weapons...
Holla!
First of all it's Jigga.. not Jigger. Second, I judge people by skill not by mass opinion. If I followed mass opinion I'd be saying 2pac & Biggie were the greatest instead of Rakim or KRS One, or I'd say that Kanye and Lil' John are the best producers instead of Dre or Primo. Also, even if they said Em was a great before Encore.. i'm just replying to people who say that he was never a great or never on top. You say that TES was wack, but are you judging that from Eminem's lyricism, or weak beats ? And you seem intent on bassing ur argument on Eminems weaker albums. That would be like me saying Jay-Z was never a great 'cause he released too may commercial bitch tracks on Vol. 3 and Dynasty... and teenie pop mtv commercial trash with Blueprint 2. C' mon, man... stop being so fuckin' bias and start thinkin' logically.
Holla back !
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anyone who beleives em n dre only make a bunch of pop singles togther to please jimmy are livin in lala land......u really think 3 albums deeps, movies success, most selling artist album will get rejected by jimmy if they refuse to make a seriously poppy single? maybe when he first came out, but they wont hardly say shit to eminem this deep into his career......even if they tell him to soften it up for the lil white kids on the first single it dont mean to they gotta take it to extreme measures......eminem can spit but alot of his groupies overrate him mad. once he spits a nice 16 ppl be on his dick like........yo ems back, his amazing, check the flow, dudes crazy......homie everyone spits a nice 16 now and again.
point is true talent shows when ya step out ya comfort zone.......
eminem hasnt proven he has a talent of a great.....all 4 albums his been on the same spot.....
slim shady lp-4 mics
mmlp-his best cd
eminem show-nice on the mic but not his best joint
encore-a joke...
truth is em fell of ever since he dropped eminem show apart from a few joints now and again....but everyone duz that.......groupies are livin on the beleif that he bored of the game and he needs a catalyst.....chucky nigga been spittin the same shit ever since day 1, he aint changed, thats the problem not that his bored. if he really was a real gifted rapper....he's step outside he lil comfort zone(his momma, haliey, kim....u know his usual bullshit) and come prove he a real rapper.....not just a overplayed gimmick cuz he white. truth is if homie was black, his career would be over by now or atleast need a serious makeover, cuz no nigga i know gon play encore or 90%of eminem show while rollin deep.
em aint bored, he just hasnt progressed as a rapper.......maybe he just cant cuz he aint good enough. maybe his happy rappin about teen girls.
truth is i aint never been a big jigga fan but id probably rate him higher than eminem to, cuz that nigga dropped a album nearly every year and the nigga always had a bunch of shit to say, he could speak about his family, how he came up, party joints, serous joints, he could clown but he knew it wasnt the only way to go.
em aint had shit to say ever since mmlp dropped......he spit the same shit on eminem show, just abit serious as a mc, but stuck to the same shit, he got seriously played out on encore and still spoke the same shit. i mean, how u gon be 4 joints deep and still feel like u makin the same album.....next time round, he needs to think its a debut album for him, cuz he lost the hood ever since eminem show dropped
nas, snoop, jigga are just a few cats who have dropped classics albums which will be remembered as greats........if eminem wants to join these cats, he gonna have to step up....
and this is comin from a eminem fan, cuz i use to bump some of the joints on mmlp like a muthafucka back in the day, but the more i hear of him, the more i dislike him now, cuz he startin to fuck up the culture with droppin all this goofy shit
xzibit is still kinda sick......he aint been as good since after he dropped his first 3 joints..........mvm didnt seem straight but womd was kinda dope
pz
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^^ eminem said himself in tha tinterview with sway that he is forced to release a poppy single when he was asked about releasing a single like made u look
he said he wanted to release shit like that but its safer to release a poppy one for the sales
which is the main goal of interscope
obviously he wont have a huge promo budget if he doesnt drop a cartoony single
to tell u the truth it only got annoying when he dropped just lose it
with out me got annoying cause it was over played
just lose it is just ridiculous
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First of all it's Jigga.. not Jigger. Second, I judge people by skill not by mass opinion. If I followed mass opinion I'd be saying 2pac & Biggie were the greatest instead of Rakim or KRS One, or I'd say that Kanye and Lil' John are the best producers instead of Dre or Primo. Also, even if they said Em was a great before Encore.. i'm just replying to people who say that he was never a great or never on top. You say that TES was wack, but are you judging that from Eminem's lyricism, or weak beats ? And you seem intent on bassing ur argument on Eminems weaker albums. That would be like me saying Jay-Z was never a great 'cause he released too may commercial bitch tracks on Vol. 3 and Dynasty... and teenie pop mtv commercial trash with Blueprint 2. C' mon, man... stop being so fuckin' bias and start thinkin' logically.
Holla back !
First, I call him Jigger, not Jigga. Don't worry about me. If you don't follow mass opinion, why do you constantly bring it up? Makes no sense. Eminem fell off lyrically after MMLP. My opinion of Em is based on the fact that I've followed him since 1997. I speak as educated listener. MMLP was weak to me, as Em became a cliche "Contraversy sells" rapper. Eminem Show and Encore proved Eminem to be a grown up clown. He became garbage on the mic.
You don't seem to understand where others come from. Eminem is not that dude no more. He hasn't been for a minute.
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First of all it's Jigga.. not Jigger. Second, I judge people by skill not by mass opinion. If I followed mass opinion I'd be saying 2pac & Biggie were the greatest instead of Rakim or KRS One, or I'd say that Kanye and Lil' John are the best producers instead of Dre or Primo. Also, even if they said Em was a great before Encore.. i'm just replying to people who say that he was never a great or never on top. You say that TES was wack, but are you judging that from Eminem's lyricism, or weak beats ? And you seem intent on bassing ur argument on Eminems weaker albums. That would be like me saying Jay-Z was never a great 'cause he released too may commercial bitch tracks on Vol. 3 and Dynasty... and teenie pop mtv commercial trash with Blueprint 2. C' mon, man... stop being so fuckin' bias and start thinkin' logically.
Holla back !
First, I call him Jigger, not Jigga. Don't worry about me. If you don't follow mass opinion, why do you constantly bring it up? Makes no sense. Eminem fell off lyrically after MMLP. My opinion of Em is based on the fact that I've followed him since 1997. I speak as educated listener. MMLP was weak to me, as Em became a cliche "Contraversy sells" rapper. Eminem Show and Encore proved Eminem to be a grown up clown. He became garbage on the mic.
You don't seem to understand where others come from. Eminem is not that dude no more. He hasn't been for a minute.
I agree that Em is not what he used to be. And I too believe he fell hard since The Eminem Show (besides what he did for 8-Mile)... but I disagree with TMMLP being weak. But that's your opinion, which you are entitled to of course.
Peace
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Props again to Lyrical G and SGV for exactly putting it like it is... I was about to make another huge post here, but it seems like you two already summed most of it up ;D
Eminem needs topics to rap about. He's just so shallow. Claiming to be political with Mosh, that's about the deepest thing he's done in 5 years. Slim Shady LP had some nice joints with good stories in them. Think of "Brain Damage" and "My Fault". However, those are some standout tracks - most of the album is still somewhere around average imo. Not bad, but far from great.
With the MMLP he just tried to come controversial: raping his mother, killing his wife, dissing half of the pop artists, talking sick stuff. But where have the real topics gone? Stan is a nice track with a topic and there's a few dope cuts like Remember Me with RBX and Sticky Fingaz. However, apart from the controversial bullshit he's been trying to get himself a hype with, that album was about Nothing. He got famous. He's (pretending to have) got a sick mind. That's two things we can conclude after listening to 19 tracks. Kinda sad for a rapper, to have nothing to tell. Especially when you're seen by most as one of the greatest that ever lived.
Oh yes, Eminem sure can come correct. He's dropped some nice verses here and there, but he's just too inconsistent to have any classics under his name. Be real, those albums aren't classics.
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dissing half of the pop artists
My question to all the Eminem "Fans" is why does he get a pass for this? Everyone downs Benzino and others for dissing him for no other reason but publicity, yet, thats all Eminem would do. Cmon, NSync, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Christina Aguilera, etc. are NOT rappers. But he sure as hell dissed them as so. Eminem is a lame. Sorry, but he's not the GOAT or even near! I don't care if Chuck D, KRS, etc. all say it, to me, Eminem is just another rapper. If he was darker, he'd be Canibus, period.
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dissing half of the pop artists
My question to all the Eminem "Fans" is why does he get a pass for this? Everyone downs Benzino and others for dissing him for no other reason but publicity, yet, thats all Eminem would do. Cmon, NSync, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Christina Aguilera, etc. are NOT rappers. But he sure as hell dissed them as so. Eminem is a lame. Sorry, but he's not the GOAT or even near! I don't care if Chuck D, KRS, etc. all say it, to me, Eminem is just another rapper. If he was darker, he'd be Canibus, period.
Ain't nobody going to respond to that... ;D He should even be put below 50 Cent for doing that. At least 50 Cent dissed some reasonable people for a slight reason, trying to get dissed by the industry's greats. All that Eminem did was picking at those he was sure of that wouldn't do anything back. Gunning down a deer, instead of getting a bear to fight with you.
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