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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: icebergslimIII on June 10, 2005, 06:04:04 PM
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Just curious if Dr Dre and P Diddy have ever produced a track together or will in the future? I read on MTV.com how Puffy was being picky with tracks submitted for his new CD. Supposedly, he laughed Cool and Dre out of the studio until they bought some heat for his new CD. I think Scott Storch made the album too. Just curious if Dre or Diddy ever met or if anyone has a pic of them together. I wouldnt mind seeing those two make some tracks together.
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I hope Dre won't even come close to that faggot!
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Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........imo to see Dre and Diddy hook up would be great. 2 legends in the studio at the same time.
If Diddy came wit some hard beats like old days and then add Dre perfection you cant deny that would be a hit.
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Dr. Dre pretty much dissed Puffy in that Source issue with him running on the cover (the aftermath issue from years ago) so I'm not sure he's a very big fan. He basically said Puff wasn't shit.
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I've never considered Puffy to be a legitimate producer. He may have a good ear for music, he may be very business-savvy and he helped build a dynasty in Bad Boy Records, but as far as actual beat making, I don't think he's anywhere near Dre's level.
For one, the majority of Diddy's "productions" are based on samples. Granted, Dre sampled heavily during the early stages of his career, Diddy went on to MAKE his career via sampling on records. A lot of cats believe that "Ready To Die" and "Life After Death" were Puffy produced albums, when in reality, there were dozens of talented musicians and legit producers that helped develop the sound and creativity of those records. I don't wanna sound like I'm dogging on Puff, but I believe that he gets way too much credit, producer-wise. I doubt that he even knows how to play keys or program drums. He's had some incredible ideas and he is a creative person without a doubt, but he ain't fucking with Dre at all.
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^ You wont' get any arguments here, but Puffy most definately can play keys and program drum machines. That, though, is not saying much, anybody could program stuff like that, Puffy's on a different level... he's almost a businessman's producer... he's gonna be the guy who goes in the studio with some musicians and makes what he thinks is going to sound good, he's not performing most of it or anything. You can't really slam him about the samples, either, because like Dre, yeah he did a lot of them, but Puffy actually has several dope beats he's done himself. Nobody's saying he's on Dre's level, but I'd say he's a competant producer, if you wanted a hit, puff would bring you one.
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You got a point, Trauma. It's that in both XXL articles ( The Making Of "Ready To Die" and the Making of "Life After Death" ), most, if not all musicians interviewed at one point or another mentioned that Puff would never actually sit at the drum machine or fuck with the keyboards, but he did direct the sound on several ocassions. I would chalk it up to a different level of producer...not all are the same or have the same methods, that's for sure.
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Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........
??? why do people think biggle's the G.O.A.T? the guy is one of the most overrated rappers of all time(along with pac...although he is my fav)...theres tons of other rappers that are way better then him...so what makes him special? cuz he's dead? yeah he's a good rapper...but not great.
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Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........imo to see Dre and Diddy hook up would be great. 2 legends in the studio at the same time.
If Diddy came wit some hard beats like old days and then add Dre perfection you cant deny that would be a hit.
Greatest of all time??? That's a big statement. But is no denying BIG had talent.
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Biggie was incredible when it came to rapping but people forget that he only had one album ( a classic) while he was alive
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I've never considered Puffy to be a legitimate producer. He may have a good ear for music, he may be very business-savvy and he helped build a dynasty in Bad Boy Records, but as far as actual beat making, I don't think he's anywhere near Dre's level.
For one, the majority of Diddy's "productions" are based on samples. Granted, Dre sampled heavily during the early stages of his career, Diddy went on to MAKE his career via sampling on records. A lot of cats believe that "Ready To Die" and "Life After Death" were Puffy produced albums, when in reality, there were dozens of talented musicians and legit producers that helped develop the sound and creativity of those records. I don't wanna sound like I'm dogging on Puff, but I believe that he gets way too much credit, producer-wise. I doubt that he even knows how to play keys or program drums. He's had some incredible ideas and he is a creative person without a doubt, but he ain't fucking with Dre at all.
Scott Storch, Mel Man, Mike Elizondo, Sam Sneed, J.Flex, Daz, Warren G...
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haha fuck diddy dre is in a league by himsel diddy will jus ruin dre
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No producer that I know hasn't had help in their career, at any stage. Comparing Dre to Puffy is no comparison, imo...as far as the list of names above, how successful have those dudes been ( as producers ) without Dre working with them, with the exception of Scott Storch. Mike Elizondo has been working with Dre since '97, so he's a crucial part of Dre's production to this day. Hell, Dre gives him co-producer credit, nowadays. Sam Sneed helped Dre on only 2 beats, both were classics, but Sam Sneed never reached those heights on his own since then, which is a shame, cuz I got hella love for Sam Sneed. Daz & Warren G helped shape the sound of "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle", but it's been stated time and time again by people in the know, that Dre was the MAIN head of the direction. Every producer has musicians, creative people assisting with ideas and co-producers. J-Flexx was never Dre's partner as far as beats went, he just wrote for Dre at one point.
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Every producer has musicians, creative people assisting with ideas and co-producers.
What do you think Diddy does?
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If you check album credits for Biggie's albums, you'll see what I mean. Usually, it's the musicians are credited first, then Puffy. In Dre's credits, it states "Produced by Dr. Dre" before anything. And it's confirmed that Dre plays instruments, has anyone confirmed that Puffy does the same?
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puffy and dre are both legends
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I would like to see Dre and Puff working together!!! thats the best of both world...and Puff could teach Dre how ro make a real good R&B record
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what about the bad boys II score... ;)
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what about the bad boys II score... ;)
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........
??? why do people think biggle's the G.O.A.T? the guy is one of the most overrated rappers of all time(along with pac...although he is my fav)...theres tons of other rappers that are way better then him...so what makes him special?
Nah, Charisma and Creativity. Flow, and Character. Biggie had an incredible presence (Big Fat Black Guy Who Looked Dangerous), an incredible Flow (Prob. the best I've heard), was creative (he basically started the style many many many have bit since), and was Charismatic. You thought he was cool.
Simple as that, G.O.A.T.
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What does G.O.A.T. stand for? ??? :)
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What does G.O.A.T. stand for? ??? :)
Greatest Of All Time...
Did u not read all of the thread?
Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........imo to see Dre and Diddy hook up would be great. 2 legends in the studio at the same time.
If Diddy came wit some hard beats like old days and then add Dre perfection you cant deny that would be a hit.
Greatest of all time??? That's a big statement. But is no denying BIG had talent.
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No producer that I know hasn't had help in their career, at any stage. Comparing Dre to Puffy is no comparison, imo...as far as the list of names above, how successful have those dudes been ( as producers ) without Dre working with them, with the exception of Scott Storch. Mike Elizondo has been working with Dre since '97, so he's a crucial part of Dre's production to this day. Hell, Dre gives him co-producer credit, nowadays. Sam Sneed helped Dre on only 2 beats, both were classics, but Sam Sneed never reached those heights on his own since then, which is a shame, cuz I got hella love for Sam Sneed. Daz & Warren G helped shape the sound of "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle", but it's been stated time and time again by people in the know, that Dre was the MAIN head of the direction. Every producer has musicians, creative people assisting with ideas and co-producers. J-Flexx was never Dre's partner as far as beats went, he just wrote for Dre at one point.
Exactly, man. Took the words out of my mouth.
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other than the Mary J. Blige "Love & Life" album that Puff Exec. produced...I would say no. To my knowledge they have never been in the studio together, but I know that Puff respects Dre. I don't know if Dre feels the same though
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If you check album credits for Biggie's albums, you'll see what I mean. Usually, it's the musicians are credited first, then Puffy. In Dre's credits, it states "Produced by Dr. Dre" before anything. And it's confirmed that Dre plays instruments, has anyone confirmed that Puffy does the same?
It's also confirmed that Dre uses ghost producers. :-X
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If you check album credits for Biggie's albums, you'll see what I mean. Usually, it's the musicians are credited first, then Puffy. In Dre's credits, it states "Produced by Dr. Dre" before anything. And it's confirmed that Dre plays instruments, has anyone confirmed that Puffy does the same?
It's also confirmed that Dre uses ghost producers. :-X
By who?
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To my knowledge, Dre has plenty of respect for Puffy. When Dre was beating his head against the wall at Aftermath trying to make hits when he first got there, i remember reading an interview saying something along the lines of, " Puff, he did that Benjamins record, man, i had that record and didn't think to sample that shit, hearing that song inspired me to get going again and make some real hits, get creative...."
So, i think Dre has respect for Diddy. And no, i cannot think of one song Diddy did all by himself, but all i know is the man is responsible for incredible records, track record speacks for itself. He surrounded himself with a lot of talent (much like Dre, although Dre is definitely more hands on and a better producer/mixer) and took what these producers had to a higher level.
It's the little things that make songs great, believe that. The way Diddy or Dre can take the same sample as someone else and make it 10 times the song is proof. Refer to Pac's Lie To kick it produced by Warren G (same beat as Gz and Hustlas) for example; Dre takes shit to the next level, or at least he used to. And who can argue against Life after Death or Ready to Die? Biggie was a street cat, no concept of making a song, he said it himself that Puffy taught him how to craft a song, they made some amazing songs together. ANd NO way out was a wonderfully produced album too, although most of you likely hate on that album....
Not entirely impressed with either of these cats nowadays (Dre was dope on Game's album, Diddy on the other hand..........), although i am definiteyl anticipating their respective albums.
I think many of us started out in rap thinking the producer did everything on a track, and we lost a lot of respect when we realized they didn't even play instruments in some cases. But in the end, the final product is what i think is most important. Diddy has a proven track record, how could you not respect him?
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Let's hope he never has and never does
I don't care if P Diddy can do drum machines etc.. he's REAL gay no matter what
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Let's hope he never has and never does
I don't care if P Diddy can do drum machines etc.. he's REAL gay no matter what
Call me a hater, but since I got love for Pac I can't respect Puffy...
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Puffy's a good producer, but his biggest hits can barely be called sampling... it's basically the original songs with more drums (i.e. I'll Be Missing You)
Let's hope he never has and never does
I don't care if P Diddy can do drum machines etc.. he's REAL gay no matter what
Call me a hater, but since I got love for Pac I can't respect Puffy...
you won't be called a hater for that....
dickryder tho... wouldn't feel to safe about that...
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Let's hope he never has and never does
I don't care if P Diddy can do drum machines etc.. he's REAL gay no matter what
Word. Any man that names himself "Diddy" is a faggot. That dude just comes off real homo to me...i cant stand him.
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You honestly think he's gay? He gets more pussy in his bed then you'll ever see walking down the street.
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You honestly think he's gay? He gets more pussy in his bed then you'll ever see walking down the street.
lol...
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dre and puffy collabo would be interesting no dobt about that. :)
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what about the bad boys II score... ;)
Exactly what I was thinking.
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i hope dre never works with diddy...
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"Nigga I know, might say 'Been There Done That' like Dre
Through hard work I earn the vault
Promise God to never look back or I turn to salt"
-Puff
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Alot of people forget that Diddy produced and introduced the greatest rapper of all time.........imo to see Dre and Diddy hook up would be great. 2 legends in the studio at the same time.
If Diddy came wit some hard beats like old days and then add Dre perfection you cant deny that would be a hit.
WTF?!?
I can name 5 people more deserving of the G.O.A.T. title off the top of my head dude was hella over-rated