West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: CRAFTY on December 16, 2005, 10:04:24 AM
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I think we all know that the West Coast should try to develop a new sound in order to gain more exposure. Sure, the G-Funk sound from the 90's is still cool to me, but from what I know it simply doesn't do the trick anymore for non-West Coast fans.
With that said, which producers do you think that come with some sort of "New West" sound? Meaning: still a West Coast beat but with a different vibe on it (other instruments, new sounds, etc...) than in the 90's?
Personally, I think that DJ Khalil manages to come with a New West sound. All of his beats definitely have a West Coast feel to it, but it's something new compared to the 90-era of West Coast Hip-Hop.
Also, J. Wells has a nice sound. His album Digital Master is proof of that (especially the song "One Shot Kill" by Jayo Felony...hotdayum, that beat is tight!)
Besides these 2, I'd say that Rush (the guy who produces most of The Relativez material) has some sort of New West sound in his beats.
J Steez on the otherhand is an extremely good producer but he doesn't always come with a "refreshing" sound. Most of his beats remind me of Battlecat, Quik or Warren G. So that's good in the sense that he makes quality beats, but it's negative in the sense that he doesn't always bring something fresh & new to the table (and I'd like to stress the words "not always", because I DO know that he sometimes laces up very creative beats)
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The funny thing about making "new west" sounds is that lot of producers try so hard to make it sound good but it comes out wack.
I believe we need something that nobody ever heard before. It shouldn't be limited to something g-funk or oldies sounded...or anything shit like that. I don't believe the west really have any producers or talents that could bring something fresh or different. I think believe (speaking for myself) west should explore life more, as in culture-wise. I believe lyrics are important as sounds. From basing my opinion...i don't believe west will ever be alive again until west's mentally of music changes to something else. And from that...it won't happen.
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This thread definitely reminds me of:
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=89225.msg937498#msg937498
I have been sayin for a while that the west does need a bit of a new sound. That is one thing I am slowly trying to evolve into when I produce, because the 90s sound was dope, but nothin that comes out now soundin like it is gonna catch too many ears outside the west. I also said that the east, south, and midwest sound A LOT different from how they did in the 90s, even in 99, so the west needs to evolve the same way.
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The funny thing about making "new west" sounds is that lot of producers try so hard to make it sound good but it comes out wack.
I believe we need something that nobody ever heard before. It shouldn't be limited to something g-funk or oldies sounded...or anything shit like that. I don't believe the west really have any producers or talents that could bring something fresh or different. I think believe (speaking for myself) west should explore life more, as in culture-wise. I believe lyrics are important as sounds. From basing my opinion...i don't believe west will ever be alive again until west's mentally of music changes to something else. And from that...it won't happen.
Give it some time...as far as LA goes, I know a lot of producers, whether it's established, somewhat established, or still unknown, and many of them have a different sound. Thing I notice is that there are some who sound like they are straight from the 90s and have that sound that is 100% west coast.....OR, they sound like they are from nowhere on the west, and their style is heavily sample based, or either sounds similar to the south. There are some who do have a different type of sound that you would still say is west coast, but most of them are either on one side or another, just like many rappers. Most younger rappers in LA sound a lot more East Coast than west, and then there are older cats who sound TOO west coast and sound straight from the 90s.
Now that's just me speakin for LA....I think the Bay music that's out now could definitely catch on and have appeal outside the west. There are some songs people in the south love that never even hit radio, and I heard they try to do the Bay dances in Miami.
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Right now, as far as Producers who are making an impact, Khalil has a different sound. He sounds more like Muggs, Rza, Premier... More so than your typical George-Clinton-Biting-G-Funked-Out West Coast Producers. There's very few Producers out West that actually have a versatile sound, Khalil is one of em.
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J-Steez is really puttin out heat. Plus fred, dre, battlecat are all evolving.
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Plus fred, dre, battlecat are all evolving.
New West... Not Old West.
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Terrace Martin & Josef are dope!
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I think Jim Gettum is doing great things over at Dynasty. The combination of Gettum & Crooked I is consistent. I would maybe like to see Gettum work with artists outside of Dynasty to see what else he can achieve.
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Fuck Khalil,J. Wells is the future.
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Fuck Khalil,J. Wells is the future.
Wow...
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Fuck Khalil,J. Wells is the future.
Wow...
I guess some cant live without the claps and shit
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^I didnt mean that in a bad way cause I dont mind Khalil but he just hasnt got anything on J. Wells.
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The funny thing about making "new west" sounds is that lot of producers try so hard to make it sound good but it comes out wack.
I believe we need something that nobody ever heard before. It shouldn't be limited to something g-funk or oldies sounded...or anything shit like that. I don't believe the west really have any producers or talents that could bring something fresh or different. I think believe (speaking for myself) west should explore life more, as in culture-wise. I believe lyrics are important as sounds. From basing my opinion...i don't believe west will ever be alive again until west's mentally of music changes to something else. And from that...it won't happen.
Give it some time...as far as LA goes, I know a lot of producers, whether it's established, somewhat established, or still unknown, and many of them have a different sound. Thing I notice is that there are some who sound like they are straight from the 90s and have that sound that is 100% west coast.....OR, they sound like they are from nowhere on the west, and their style is heavily sample based, or either sounds similar to the south. There are some who do have a different type of sound that you would still say is west coast, but most of them are either on one side or another, just like many rappers. Most younger rappers in LA sound a lot more East Coast than west, and then there are older cats who sound TOO west coast and sound straight from the 90s.
Now that's just me speakin for LA....I think the Bay music that's out now could definitely catch on and have appeal outside the west. There are some songs people in the south love that never even hit radio, and I heard they try to do the Bay dances in Miami.
Well, you see...I'ma producer/composer. From what you say, you could be right. BUt...when you mentioned older producers bringing that 100 percent west coast would actually support my concept. Even the ones that sounded like east coast. Why? It's because what i"m saying is that they don't bring up their own original concept of music. I'm mean Cali is known to bring out gangsta music. THat's pretty much all we know as west coasters. These days they usually take ideas from others (normally). I'm not saying that I know music, but as a listerner (and I'm in cali), it wouldn't have any impact on me. I mean...i admit that lil joh had that crunk thing..and had to admit that it was different for a while. IT sucks now(speaking for myself again or my opinion) because it is the same stuff. It's cool to like something like that maybe because they like to be entertained. However, when you want something meaningful, you need originality. I bet most of the producers don't even know how to compose. I love melody and i think west needs melody instead of "4 by 4 same noted and repeativitve (wrong spelling)" music.
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Yes, Cali was known for the Gangsta sound, but that doesn't mean that's all we had. Cypress Hill, Pharcyde, Hiero, Tha Liks, Xzibit, etc. never had that Gangsta style, they always had a different vibe. I refuse to say that because we're used to a Gangsta sound that we should stay the same way. No... It's time to move on. Look at the East Coast, they're not on some Boom Bap shit, so why is the West still hung up on this Gangsta shit? Get over it already. The South-East (Atlanta, Miami) ain't putting out Bass/Booty music no more, they stepped it up with Crunk. Look at Texas, they're not putting out the laid back funk shit they were doing back in the day, they've changed their whole sound. The West, and it's fans, are the only ones that are not willing to let go.
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For the AHH 2005 round-up, I voted for Khalil as producer of the year - stating that if he wasn't necessarily the best, then he was surely the most improved for the way he has expanded his sound in the past year. What was cool was that I got some feedback from some of the senior writers saying that they agreed with a lot of my choices for the categories. I really hope Khalil gets the accolade, and if not that then at least an honourable mention. His sound is refreshing, and, as I pointed out with my vote, he's worked with household names like X and G-Unit, to the West Coast underground's finest in Chace and Phil. 2006 could be his year...
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Yes, Cali was known for the Gangsta sound, but that doesn't mean that's all we had. Cypress Hill, Pharcyde, Hiero, Tha Liks, Xzibit, etc. never had that Gangsta style, they always had a different vibe. I refuse to say that because we're used to a Gangsta sound that we should stay the same way. No... It's time to move on. Look at the East Coast, they're not on some Boom Bap shit, so why is the West still hung up on this Gangsta shit? Get over it already. The South-East (Atlanta, Miami) ain't putting out Bass/Booty music no more, they stepped it up with Crunk. Look at Texas, they're not putting out the laid back funk shit they were doing back in the day, they've changed their whole sound. The West, and it's fans, are the only ones that are not willing to let go.
cali most definitely need to change their style. OR safe to say..no more gangsta shit. I love em..it died...and now we had to say good bye and bury to the grave. hahah..man..i love gangsta shit..but ya know...music won't last unless it's truely meaningful.
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hopefully the new west coast sound as far as beats goes will be along the lines of Soo Whoop Gangsta. that beat has a lil touch of the old west but it still sounds new and fresh.
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(especially the song "One Shot Kill" by Jayo Felony...hotdayum, that beat is tight!)
fav track right now, i play it on my ipod repeatedly when i play halo 2 wit my boys
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Dj Khalil,J.Wells
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Quik's Trauma album is slept on, as far as I'm concerned. There were beats on that CD that are among the most advanced I've heard in years.
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Look at the East Coast, they're not on some Boom Bap shit, so why is the West still hung up on this Gangsta shit? Get over it already. The South-East (Atlanta, Miami) ain't putting out Bass/Booty music no more, they stepped it up with Crunk. Look at Texas, they're not putting out the laid back funk shit they were doing back in the day, they've changed their whole sound. The West, and it's fans, are the only ones that are not willing to let go.
Thats because they all ACT gangsta, but they aren't! They dress like they are tryin to be fashionable, and not just dressin to look good. ACTIN gangsta, but not rappin gangsta! Just like the WESTSIDE CONNECTION song "Rappers in Love". There are too many rappers with gay ass shit!
Now lets keep it "GANGSTA" like Eazy and N.W.A!
As for new style West producers, I think BIGSTUFF is really good. I know none of you guys have heard of him, BUT he's worked with Ice-T, Mac Mall, Luniz, B-Legit, Kurupt, VicVodka, PDS, Brown-N-Proud, and some others I can't remember.
He may not be THE ONE to change the style of the West, but he's definitley DOPE!
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droop-e definetely has that "new west" sound....
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But people! We allready have the Black Eyed Peas doing something different and being a huge succes ;)
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Quik's Trauma album is slept on, as far as I'm concerned. There were beats on that CD that are among the most advanced I've heard in years.
word man...Quik doenst have a sound that sounds anything like g-funk type westcoat sound and has been like that since Rythm-al-ism...People always forget that!
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Check these producers for the "New West" sound:
Dem Jointz
Klassic (compton)
Diverse
Ricc Rude
Dj Khalil
j Wells
Jellyroll
Co-T
G Casso
Chords
XL Middleton
J Steez
THX
JClassic
Terrance Martin
Josef
there are a few more but i cant think of them now... if you havent heard of some of the guys on the list... go to the streets and ask asbout'em!!
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^ word J-Classic has a fresh sound as does Goldeneye
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Xl Middleton fa sho 8)
Jynxx !!! 8) his traccs for city Boy And hizz on The hood Affiliates Dope :banana_rock: 909 Labs Dope production
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I'm feeling Dem Jointz' sound as well. Also Dae One has some tight beats...
DJ Slip had something nice going on with IV Life, but I guess that's history now.
hopefully the new west coast sound as far as beats goes will be along the lines of Soo Whoop Gangsta. that beat has a lil touch of the old west but it still sounds new and fresh.
Yeah...Rush produced that one. That's indeed a banging beat...so are the others songs on on the last Relativez album.
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Dae one is tight :)
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Rick Rock
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id say Da Riffs..they be bringin some new fresh sounds out tha westcoast n mostly evry track from em i heard was bangin those cats is definatly the future ;)
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NJ DEVIL
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NJ DEVIL
Excuse my ignorance, I'm not that good at Geography. Where on the West Coast is New Jersey located?
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NJ DEVIL
Excuse my ignorance, I'm not that good at Geography. Where on the West Coast is New Jersey located?
LMAO
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id say Da Riffs..they be bringin some new fresh sounds out tha westcoast n mostly evry track from em i heard was bangin those cats is definatly the future ;)
Agreed, Crooked I - Coast Control & Ras Kass - Deformed Pretty Boys, were tight.
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Dae One
Dem Jointz
J. Wells
Da Riffs
Dem Jointz
Klassic
Diverse
XL Middleton
Terrance Martin