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Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the countryLol. So its ok because white people are in "power". Can I walk around calling every black dude a nigger cause the presidents half black?And I think youre giving people who would say that too much credit, its like saying minorities are racist because they are subjugated and whites are racist because they wanna be. BS.
Quote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Quote from: 7even on April 14, 2011, 09:42:09 AMQuote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the countryOr maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.Lol. They did. First and Second wave immigration to the US. The irish built many of the highways and infastructure because it was such a dangerous job and got paid shit for it, and experienced often violent discrimination from "natives". Shows their position in society pretty well. Just one example. Theres many more.
Quote from: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on April 12, 2011, 12:30:12 PMQuote from: Russell Bell on April 11, 2011, 06:11:32 PMGo to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the countryOr maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 14, 2011, 03:17:03 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 02:34:03 PMThe education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care. How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 02:34:03 PMThe education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
Quote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 05:59:32 PMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 14, 2011, 03:17:03 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 02:34:03 PMThe education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care. How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?That's a pointless question since you didn't answer the question: how is medicare a right?
Quote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 14, 2011, 07:55:04 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 05:59:32 PMQuote from: Teddy Roosevelt on April 14, 2011, 03:17:03 PMQuote from: SPICE TWO on April 14, 2011, 02:34:03 PMThe education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care. How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?That's a pointless question since you didn't answer the question: how is medicare a right?Not medicare itself. BUt imo having available health care is a right everyone should have. Medicare is one of the current attempts at that goal.
Ok, first off, competition = better service and lower prices. Because we have a system run by the insurance industry and govt, we have higher costs 4 everything. U can't see a doctor for less than 50 bucks because everyone needs their cut. That's what he was saying by using a business analogy and applying it to health care.
Health care is not guaranteed. People who want universal health care want a wider net to be cast (more people covered), ok, who will pay for that? The taxpayers who already probably pay for healthcare will foot the bill and over time it will become harder and harder to sustain. Social security crisis, medicade crisis, ring a bell??
Next, would i rather be free than anything else? Yeah, I would. If you were born in another country beside the US (3rd world, etc), you would feel the same because you would know what it was like not to have freedom. In fact, "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is literally guaranteed to us, not health care, the govt paying our bills, cheap college tuition, or things like that. Would that be nice? Sure, but it is not practical.
Last, I never said having a black pres made everyone equal. That was simply an example since you said it was ok (or at least kinda justified) for other races to denegrate whites because they "rule the country", when clearly that is no longer the case. Just using the same standard u used.
And yeah, that does mean, from the political systems standpoint, that a black man or any other person of any color can reach the same heights as a white person.
The best you can hope for is a system that isn't unproportionally unfair to one group of people, and that is rapidly eroding as we speak.
I used the example of the Irish being discriminated on because it proves that the newer the race of people is to the country in mainstream society, the harder they have it. This is not an experience limited to "people of color" like people nowadays like to think. This is not a different perspective, actually its the opposite, because history repeats itself.