The hip-hop community will be the next segment of US soceity to embrace Islam

[Shallow]

1.) It's the artform that pisses me off, it's hte fact that these days so many of the samples are batant copies with little done to chacge them other than the tempo, and then the guy who produced them gets so much credit as a genius composer. Listen to the original samples of G Thang or Jesus Walks and you'll hear that the main part is all there. Adding a few bells and whistles in the background doesn't make you a genius.

You think I don't know the samples?  LOL, I grew up in the 80s', and my folks were from the R&B/funk/soul generation, so I grew up listening to a lot of the artists that rappers would soon be sampling ad nauseum, folks like James Brown, George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic, Zapp, Issac Hayes, the Ohio Players, you name it.  Moms was bumping "I Wanna Do Something Freaky To You" all the time, so I recognized the sample the moment Dre used it in "Nuthin But A G Thang".  But that's part of what made it so special to me...these producers managed to re-arrange it in a new way that made it sound fresh again.  THAT is their "genius", the part of the art form that you could never appreciate.

Seriously, stop listening to hip-hop...muh'fuckas like you are not needed.

3) G Funk type beat? I'll do my best, and let you know when it's done.

And I'll be ready to laugh at you when your ass realizes just how wrong you were...IF you're really true to your word (which I doubt you'll be).

Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version. If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.


For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.


I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).

Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.

[Eihtball]

Re-arrange what? It's the same melody exactly. It just cuts out and loops in steda of go crazy like Heywood's version.

"Nuthin But A G Thang" is not one of Dre's more complex productions.  But take any others..."Fuck Wit Dre Day", for example, uses the bassline from Funkadelic's "Knot Just (Knee Deep)", plus elements from three different Parliament songs (including "Funkentelechy", "Aquaboogie", and "The Big Bang Theory"), not to mention live instruments here and there.

Even the simpler songs, however, still have their own layers of depth.  Dre came up with his own style, which he called G-Funk, that had a specific template which appealed to a lot of other rappers.  So yeah, coming up with your own style of sampling is indeed creative work.

If I went to some human rights meeting and recited the "I Have a Dream" speech, I wouldn't hope to be called a genius.

Apples and oranges, completely-fucking-irrelevent.  I've already said hip-hop is more comparable to bebop than anything else.

For the record, I stopped listening to hip hop along time ago. I'll put in the odd Pac record here and there and take a quick listen to something new of someone tells me it's good but that's it. I'm still on the forum because there are a lot of fans of other music on the Outbound forum, and I like TOT.

Yeah, well, then maybe you should move on.  You aren't needed here anymore.

I'll have no problem saying I was wrong, but it has to be more than you saying it sucks. When I post it, we'll have a pole and it 50%+ say it's shit compared to the stuff out today then I'll admit how hard it is. I just have to make the intsrumental right. I don't have to rap on it? (I could make Gin and Juice unlistenable with my rapping vocals).

Also don't expect it to sound proffesional in a technical sense. I'm not renting out a pro studio here. I'm just dicking wround on the PC. If I had 5 top level musicians and million dollar equipment it would obviously sound better.

You don't need million-dollar equipment to make good G-Funk beats...do you think most of the West Coast rappers who are indie now have that much stuff?  Granted, they ain't using Fruity Loops, either, but most of them are using vastly cheaper equipment than what a major label's studio could provide.  Even "Straight Outta Compton" was made on something like a $10 Grande budget, if I recall correctly.  I think you'll find that there is a great deal of talent required to come up with these sorts of beats, to choose the sample and re-arrange it as a beat, talent which you lack.

[Shallow]

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Why are you so angry?


You are using the best hip hop producer there is to justify talent when I said "very good" rap song. There is no denying Dre hasa great ear, an amazing ear, and is an excellent producer. He just isn't that great of a composer in the grand scheme of things. Put his composing skills up against artists like Lionel Richie, Elton John, or Phil Collins and you'll see Dre lags way behind. He's not a composer, plain and simple. he works with great musicians who can compose sometimes and he knows what sounds good and he uses that.


The point of the King speech was it's absurd when you use another man's words as your own, but not when it's another man's music. I don't care that they do it. I just get pissed off when they calim they made it. Most of the kids that buy his albums think he came up with the Jesus Walks melody himself, and he didn't, and he makes no effort to show where he got it.

There are plenty of threads on this forum that have nothing to do with Hip Hop and I can post wherever I want. This isn't a socialist Nazi forum.

I didn't mean music quality. I meant sound quality. Just don't expect it to soumd like it was recorded in a pro studio. Why would I even have to re-arrange anything. Did Kanye re-arrange the intro to Chicago by CSNY when he made Beanie's The Truth. Did Dre re-arrange Siffre's I Got The when he made My Name Is? Second, what do you know of my talent or lack of talent?

[M Dogg™]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

[Diabolical]

The Clash had more talent than Kurt Cobain.


As for this topic its just another attempt to keep people talking about Islam.

[Teddy Roosevelt]

As for this topic its just another attempt to keep people talking about Islam.

Just another ploy by Infinite to make it seem like Islam is the universal serious topic of the world. Otherwise why didn't he post this in the outbound section?

[Shallow]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

[Suga Foot]

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.

I think it was David McAllums "The Edge", and he praised Dre for his version.

Both Missin Linx and Tash have also both sampled that track.

[M Dogg™]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

[Suga Foot]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs.  I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.

[M Dogg™]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

A LOT of beats on 2001 used music from other songs.  I can think of 7 just off the top of my head.

7 outta how many. name them

[Shallow]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?

How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.

[M Dogg™]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?

How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.

telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.

[Shallow]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?

How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.

telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.

Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.

[M Dogg™]

On 2001, and since, Dre has made MOST his beats from live instruments, and he basically tells his artist what sound he wants, and from there he takes the "samples" from those intruments and makes them into a beat. He can also play drums, as his drum skillz, and DJ Yella's, are some of the best in the Hip-Hop world. Don't hate.

Whose drum skills are we comparing them to? I'm not saying Dre is talentless hack but you put him next to someone like Bonham and he'll look ridiculous on the drums.

All I remember about 2001 is the Next Episode. I got my copy early via pirating and I brought it to school. I played Next Episode first since I thought it would be the most like his old stuff. I played it for a friend in my grade 12 auto shop class and his jaw dropped, and he said "what the fuck". He goes into his bag and gets a CD. He was an amateur producer himself and he hung around with a lot of guys that made music. He put the CD in my player and said listen to this track. I hear a song with his buddies rapping on it and the beat from the intro to the main part was exactly the same and this was a track that was made a year before 2001 leaked. You could tell that the people playing the instruments were different and the sound was faded because it was from the original sample but it was the same note for note. My view on Dre and hip hop production changed after that. People I once held in such high regard as composers I saw in a different light. I've been looking for that friend of mine recently because I want to know what the original smaple was. I never did find out.


And Cop Killa; I agree with the Clash statement. I'm a big fan of the Clash.

I capped MOST because of that one example I knew you would use. Listen to the rest of that CD. Xplosive was sampled by Erika Badu within a year of release, and every other beat was original.

I was just talking about the idea of taking obscure song and having people think of it as original or done by the producer. Dre ius a producer and he is a great one. He just isn't a great composer. Even the stuff on 2001 that is original like Still Dre was done by the musicians. Storch wrote the piano for that right?

How did you know I'd use that example? Have I told my story before with out realizing it? I guess I tend to repeat myself.

telling artist how to do the music, and then put it all together, I think he writes some of that.

Some? Sure. All? No way. Most? I don't know.

his a hip hop producer. Your main beef with him is that. I am someone who listens to hip-hop and all music and takes it for what it is. I think Dre is a great producer, and he came up with most the sounds, and how he wanted them, yet you are someone who likes to credit the player for playing his guitar, so you credit Scott Storch over Dr. Dre, even if Dre came up with the melody.