Game made a big mistake.. list of past people who sucked without Dre's giudance

[acgrundy]

Doggfather is snoops 2nd best album, nothing else of his comes close to this one, of course doggystyle is the best.  Doggfather is a great album.

Almost anything he did after "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told" (which was fuckin awful) is better than "Tha Doggfather", including both of his other two No Limit albums and even his last two records.

oh hell no, they can't even compare

[WestCoasta]

haha

ya, "Game Is To Be Sold" is better than "Doggfather"   

[R-Tistic]

I talked with a few people from Black Wall Street/Brazil St about the whole thing with Game and Dre, and from hearin the whole situation, there are things that I do and don't blame Game for.

But since this is the "bash Game for leavin Dre" thread, I'll just speak on the things I wouldn't blame him for. Just as many of y'all already know...Dre does take forever when it comes to working with artists and projects, and this can be good and bad. Good when albums actually come out...bad when artists and projects end up being shelved or pushed back forever. With Game, he wasn't tryin to drop in January 05, then not be heard from again til January 08-09...and I know he wasn't tryin to just make mixtape after mixtape. So for this second album, he wanted Dre to guide him and all with it, but it's a great chance that Dre wasn't even gonna look at workin on a Game album until AFTER Detox, Bishop Lamont, and maybe more than that...so Game decided to take this album into his own hands. However...from what I hear, Game put this album together, and Dre wasn't pleased with the overall product of it, and that was a reason that he didn't want to take part in it...which could be a major reason that they haven't even talked in the last 3-4 months (maybe more than that). I don't know if Game ever recorded on the Dre beats, and I don't know if Dre had already been planning to drop him from Aftermath, which is something people affiliated with BWS/Aftermath were saying for a very long time. But overall...I still don't really think that Game's "being dropped" was completely because both sides were like "fuck you" to the other side....which is probably why he's still under the Interscope umbrella. Also, I don't see it being very likely that Game could remain on Aftermath, but continue to run Black Wall Street while it was getting distributed through a different label. With 50 and Eminem, they could do it because it was Shady/Aftermath and G-Unit/Aftermath.....but since Game wasn't going to get distribution through Aftermath, it would be a challenge for him to do the same.

Now for my personal opinion............as far as him and 50's beef being a major reason for him being dropped....I think it was more less how the situation was handled than anything else. Dre knew that they were beefin in damn September of 2004, months before the album came out, yet him and Iovine still wanted to put him out...and on the real, I am VERY sure that they knew the situation would boil over and that word would get out about them beefin, and I'm sure they expected them to diss each other. If I knew that shit, they definitely had to. And what does that mean? Being businessmen, they realized that would mean ever more profit for them! So when they saw that 50 was dissin Game and all right before his album dropped, I doubt they were like "hey 50....kill that, he's our artist" because they knew it would make BOTH of them sell! And think about it......we are dealing with Iovine, the same person who had Aftermath AND Death Row both under Interscope at the same time, making money off of both! So it doesn't surprise me at all if they were silently rooting for the beef. However.....being that 50 has still been more successful than Game overall, and that the G-Unit name itself was still a bigger cash cow than Game and Black Wall Street...they probably didn't want Game to "win" the battle at all, and they probably realized that Game was actually going to do more damage to 50 and the crew than they had really thought. So when G-Unit started to seem as if they were losing their shine, I wouldn't be surprised if Iovine and Dre were like "damn.....we wanted them to beef...but we didn't want Game to kill G-Unit's sales at all", regardless of if you think Game was the reason G-Unit's last few albums weren't as successful. And if you really look at it...50 did a LOT more to disrespect Dre than Game ever did....ever after leavin, Game still "kisses Dre's ass" on every song. So Dre n Iovine may have even said fuck it....we can't really be mad at Game for goin at them on his own, and for havin the heart to go at a strong camp....but that's OUR camp, and that's OUR money...so we gotta let Game go, even though he has been more loyal and more positive to us than 50 has. Yeah, Game did keep goin at G-Unit for too long after the first mixtape, but so did Snoop and Dre when they were goin at Eazy and Ruthless back in the day. So the only difference now is that Dre oversees "Snoop, Dre, Dogg Pound, Eazy, and Ruthless"....which is a major reason to why Dre probably never wanted Game to get in G-Unit the way that he did.


So with that being said...........I don't think we can really be mad at Game like that. Even without Dre, his buzz is fuck'n ridiculous right now...and even with the negative topics about him we may see on different boards, his visibility is still higher than anybody else in the Game right now, even the "greatest rapper alive" Jay-Z, who's coming out around the same time as him. One Blood is the #2 most requested song at my school in Tallahassee, Florida, and they usually don't like anything from the West that's not Snoop or Dre...and he's doin this without Dre.

[d-nice]

Dre should just have a production company where artists can come to get their album mixed or he can give them guidance. The amount of artists we have all mentioned against the time and effort Dre puts into albums and starting them don't add up. He will never have time to put even his own artists out. And that is why so many leave from him. If you get put out there is no problem because you were one of the lucky ones to capitalize off of the success of working with him (Em, 50, Snoop, Game, etc) But just think of how many never got that chance.

[d-nice]

R-Tistic, your are spitting some real talk as usual. That shit makes alot of sense. But we have never had another producer have a impact like Dre. I would love to see Quik have the control to do what Dre does. I just think that people feel like Dre is their only option at times.

[Reventón Bogotá Rolla]

I think the reason people wanted Game to work with Dre on DA was because we haven't heard alot of real quality material from Dre in a while (not including Busta's lp because I think Dre got lazy on that one...). Alot of people (myself including) want to hear another "How We Do" caliber track from Dre to ensure us that Dre is still on top of his game(no pun intended). All in all I think Game not working with Dre on this album was a good yet risky move on his part because this is now a make or break situation for him and I hope he proves us all wrong and drops a banger, not necessarily a classic, but an album worthy enough of saying "Game can sell records on his own". Unfortunately after hearing 1blood and strip club, I'm that not impressed...

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Dre should just have a production company where artists can come to get their album mixed or he can give them guidance. The amount of artists we have all mentioned against the time and effort Dre puts into albums and starting them don't add up. He will never have time to put even his own artists out. And that is why so many leave from him. If you get put out there is no problem because you were one of the lucky ones to capitalize off of the success of working with him (Em, 50, Snoop, Game, etc) But just think of how many never got that chance.

But Dre wants full input when you work with him. What he needs to do is hire some inhouse producers to make hot beats, then if he likes the beat he can mix it and whatever. Dre needs to start delegating some responibility towards others. It would save a lot of time, more albums would drop, and still make Aftermath successful.

[Lunatic]

^^ Agreed. In-house producers (he trusts obvisouly) would be a great idea. I really don't think the quality of music would get worse, because he'd give it a listen, and if he thinks something's wrong, he could change it. The beat would still come out good, and would save him more time. Also, like someone mentioned, we'd get more music from aftermath/shady/gunit artists, also with Dre's hand involved. Also, I disagree I liked Dre's work on Busta's LP. The track he produced with Busta & Nas, was my fav. song on the cd. The beat on that 1 was CRAZY. Also, I think Game's music is good (personally, the man isn't bright). I'm giving DA a chance. I highly doubt it'll be as good as The Doc. because that cd was near perfect. Nor Game, nor guest appearances, nor production carried that album. A beautiful combo of all 3 did. Production was good, but Game also came correct on most tracks. 50's involvement on it was nice (hard to argue those 3 tracks weren't among the best). Marsha from Floetry did a nice job on her track 2. I do think Game can do it without Dre, as long as the production to replace Dre is there. Dre isn't the only good producer out. On The Doc., Timbo & Just Blaze's tracks were amazing.

[d-nice]

Dre should just have a production company where artists can come to get their album mixed or he can give them guidance. The amount of artists we have all mentioned against the time and effort Dre puts into albums and starting them don't add up. He will never have time to put even his own artists out. And that is why so many leave from him. If you get put out there is no problem because you were one of the lucky ones to capitalize off of the success of working with him (Em, 50, Snoop, Game, etc) But just think of how many never got that chance.

But Dre wants full input when you work with him. What he needs to do is hire some inhouse producers to make hot beats, then if he likes the beat he can mix it and whatever. Dre needs to start delegating some responibility towards others. It would save a lot of time, more albums would drop, and still make Aftermath successful.

I like that idea also, but there have been albums that Dre has had input on that are not "exclusively" from him. I mean the delay that comes with being under the Aftermath label. For example, Snoop did Tha Last Meal with heavy Dre influence, but in the end Master P was the deciding factor in when that album came out. Sure if I am a CEO of a record label I would want to have Dre producing and giving insight to my artists albums, but not at the cost of losing a buzz for my artist. Not at the cost of months upon years the album being delayed. Snoop is getting assistance from Dre for TBCT, but only on a few tracks. If he wants more input from him he can get it but could you imagine not only how long we would have to wait if Snoop was on Aftermath for TBCT but all the other artists that would have to wait in the wings until the album is finished?

[Teddy Roosevelt]

Dre should just have a production company where artists can come to get their album mixed or he can give them guidance. The amount of artists we have all mentioned against the time and effort Dre puts into albums and starting them don't add up. He will never have time to put even his own artists out. And that is why so many leave from him. If you get put out there is no problem because you were one of the lucky ones to capitalize off of the success of working with him (Em, 50, Snoop, Game, etc) But just think of how many never got that chance.

But Dre wants full input when you work with him. What he needs to do is hire some inhouse producers to make hot beats, then if he likes the beat he can mix it and whatever. Dre needs to start delegating some responibility towards others. It would save a lot of time, more albums would drop, and still make Aftermath successful.

I like that idea also, but there have been albums that Dre has had input on that are not "exclusively" from him. I mean the delay that comes with being under the Aftermath label. For example, Snoop did Tha Last Meal with heavy Dre influence, but in the end Master P was the deciding factor in when that album came out. Sure if I am a CEO of a record label I would want to have Dre producing and giving insight to my artists albums, but not at the cost of losing a buzz for my artist. Not at the cost of months upon years the album being delayed. Snoop is getting assistance from Dre for TBCT, but only on a few tracks. If he wants more input from him he can get it but could you imagine not only how long we would have to wait if Snoop was on Aftermath for TBCT but all the other artists that would have to wait in the wings until the album is finished?

I'm talking about artists signed to Aftermath. Working with outside artists is a completly different story. Dr. Dre controls everything that goes on in his label, and that is what's causing deleays and hurting his label in a way. In the end he can decide the quality and what needs to be changed, but he needs to start hiring certain people to control the smaller/simpler aspects of making a label, so shit can be done quicker without hurting the overall quality. Extra producers would help too becasue Dre would still have his input and can mix these beats to make them sound even better. In the end Dre will still dictate the quality of an album.

[d-nice]

Yeah it is a gift and a curse. If you are one of the lucky ones to be put out on Aftermath, you have a chance to make some bomb music, but if not, you are just on a waiting list. It's almost better to be signed to G-Unit or Shady and then have Dre come in and finish up your album. That way at least you have a chance to drop. Em & 50 actually do put out their artists. Em a little bit slower than 50 but much faster than Dre.

[C-BLUE]

Mel-Man- after assisting Dre in classic records, now his face is on the back of milk cartons

Dogg Pound- Dogg Food was a classic, now they are dogg shit.

Snoop-  Doggystyle was a classic, Doggfather was dogshit, Dre had to come back and ressurect his carear by helping on Top Dogg

Death Row Records-  After Dre left, everything fell apart.  Dre was the visionary who saw the collapse before it happened and saved himself before it was to late.

Suge Knight-  he's still talking about Dre 10 years later

MC Ren-  no major success without Dre

Xzibit-  Dre made him a star, now he's a nobody again

goddamn right

[Narrator]

oh hell no, they can't even compare

They don't?  An album based around the then-played-out Death Row/G-Funk sound with mostly lackluster lyricism is better than a couple albums with production by Dre, Scott Storch, Timbaland, etc. and Snoop sounding hungry again?

haha

ya, "Game Is To Be Sold" is better than "Doggfather"   

Read it again, fag.  I said the albums AFTER "Da Game Is To Be Sold Not Told".  Nice job ethering yourself, tho.

["THE" MoSav]

Game will sell with or without Dre

[The "Untouchable" DJR]

Game will sell with or without Dre