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One More Reason That Ras Kass 'Soul On Ice' Is A Great Album
« on: April 20, 2007, 06:15:36 AM »
It came out in an era (the mid-90's) when West Coast gangsta rap was on top of the industry.  A lot of rappers were promoting criminal lifestyles, and that was the stuff that was hot and fans were used to hearing.

Well... Ras was really clever.  Because he was far too intelligent to just do what everyone else was doing, and at the same time, he wasn't a self-righteous conscious rapper like a Talib Kweli type (nothing wrong with Talib, it's just that in the mid-90's rap climate on the West Coast you couldn't get away with puttin out a record like Reflection Eternal, which was a great record too, btw, although different time and place)...

Anyway, so somehow, Rass had to come up with a way to be West Coast and hardcore, and still at the same time take it to another level and express his great artistic intelligence....

So what did he make the cornerstone of the subject matter for his album?...

White Collar Crime!

Pretty clever idea, in my opinion.  Not many rap records have done it.  So it still came off hardcore like the other West Coast records at the time, and fans were hearing about the criminal lifestyle... however, it was all about white collar crime. 

Even his single, "Miami Life" is all about government and police corruption involved in the Florida drug trade.  Also, tracks like "Anything Goes" he says, Big Bank take little Bank, Anything Goes... talking about corruption the corruption and exploitation commited by the powerful and wealthy.  "Order Out of Chaos" mentions the larger game plan that big bussiness and government have executed against black people to keep them confined and subjagated, with mentions of Freemasonry, the S&L scandels..

Then he offers personal examples of his own life where he has been the victim of such grand schemes mentioned above, on tracks like "Reelyshm" and "Evil That Men Do"... where he writes autobiographically after going to prison saying.. "I'm looking at myself and seeing every other nigga I knew/ It's the Evil That Men Do!"

Classic Album.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2007, 06:31:22 AM »
"Learn how to spell a nigga name" - The Game


It's Ras Kass fool.


Anyways, it's a classic to me, except for the racist comments on white people. But yeah it's classic to me as well. Great tracks, smooth, raw producing and cleverly put together lyrics.  8)
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2007, 06:33:42 AM »
Yeah it is a dope album. Ahead of its time lyrically.
 

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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2007, 11:51:29 AM »
I was expecting you to say "BECAUSE HE'S MUSLIM!"
 

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2007, 01:49:29 PM »
soul on ice blows me away. ras kass's lyrically can shit on the best of the east and he doesn't lose his realness and in fact his mind makes him realer. i like the simple raw production too personally although ive heard other people complain about it.
 

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Re: One More Reason That Ras Kass 'Soul On Ice' Is A Great Album
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 05:28:47 PM »
soul on ice blows me away. ras kass's lyrically can shit on the best of the east and he doesn't lose his realness and in fact his mind makes him realer. i like the simple raw production too personally although ive heard other people complain about it.

Word..  the critics were saying that the beats and hooks on his first album were weak.. but sometimes less is more, and I think the beats were perfect for his rhymes and subject matter.

Then, the second album he tried to upgrade and make the beats more elaborate, and his subject matter was more mainstream.. and I didn't connect with that album on a personal level; although it was still dope cause dude has skills regardless.
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 11:41:12 PM »
soul on ice blows me away. ras kass's lyrically can shit on the best of the east and he doesn't lose his realness and in fact his mind makes him realer. i like the simple raw production too personally although ive heard other people complain about it.

Word..  the critics were saying that the beats and hooks on his first album were weak.. but sometimes less is more, and I think the beats were perfect for his rhymes and subject matter.

Then, the second album he tried to upgrade and make the beats more elaborate, and his subject matter was more mainstream.. and I didn't connect with that album on a personal level; although it was still dope cause dude has skills regardless.


You can't tell me you could connect to the racist statements made on Soul On Ice, that is bullshit, since you are white to. If you listen to that and don't feel anything when listening it's either one out of 2 things (if not both):

1. You don't respect yourself.
2. You're stupid.


Once again, it's a real cool album but i am gettin' kinda tired of rapper's reverse racism. They want "black" people to get treated better yet every chance they get they go at "white" people. These rappers have a big influence on kids (as well as a part of the "grown-ups"), and many kids see them as their idols who they should follow, but yet these dudes can't seem to give a good message for once. It is not about black and white, it's all about money, and no matter how wrong that is, we all keep that together by basically live toget money, do anything to get your hands on that scrilla. So yeah, blaming other races/nationalities/religions etc. is just a stupid act which shows the rapper's opinion is mad biased and he takes the easy way of blaming someone else and forget about himself.

Now back to the topic, the raw beats and tight lyrics on Soul On Ice make it what it is. If he had used "better" producers the sound would have been different to it, and maybe we wouldn't be talking about that album right now. The whole raw, simple feel to Soul On Ice made it what it is, period.
 

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Re: One More Reason That Ras Kass 'Soul On Ice' Is A Great Album
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2007, 05:43:44 AM »

You can't tell me you could connect to the racist statements made on Soul On Ice, that is bullshit, since you are white to. If you listen to that and don't feel anything when listening it's either one out of 2 things (if not both):

1. You don't respect yourself.
2. You're stupid.


Once again, it's a real cool album but i am gettin' kinda tired of rapper's reverse racism. They want "black" people to get treated better yet every chance they get they go at "white" people. These rappers have a big influence on kids (as well as a part of the "grown-ups"), and many kids see them as their idols who they should follow, but yet these dudes can't seem to give a good message for once. It is not about black and white, it's all about money, and no matter how wrong that is, we all keep that together by basically live toget money, do anything to get your hands on that scrilla. So yeah, blaming other races/nationalities/religions etc. is just a stupid act which shows the rapper's opinion is mad biased and he takes the easy way of blaming someone else and forget about himself.

Now back to the topic, the raw beats and tight lyrics on Soul On Ice make it what it is. If he had used "better" producers the sound would have been different to it, and maybe we wouldn't be talking about that album right now. The whole raw, simple feel to Soul On Ice made it what it is, period.

The reason why it doesn't bother me is simple, I have no racial pride.  Also, whenever I have gone through hard times in my life white people have never helped me, it's always been somebody non-white who has given me knowledge to rise above my situation.  So I have no loyalty towards whites.

Ras Kass' commentary on race relations throughout the album is partly what makes the album great.  "Nature of the Threat" is one of the most spectacular hip-hop tracks ever recorded, and it is also a song that stirred my interest towards Islam back when I was still an atheist.

Ras spits venom against a system that had him locked up and in prison at age 18.  He tells the story Evil That Men Do saying "I look at myself and see every other nigger I knew".  The problems he was talking about are widespread in the black community.  He breaks it down in order and chaos when he says, "I don't eat swine and beat the shit out of skinheads/ but where's my piece of mind, huh/ leasin a lex on credit/ all the liquor and pussy a nigger can get/ put the puzzle together but the pieces won't fit!"

That shit is deep, and it is way real.  He's talking about how so many black people are pacified with liquor and pussy but they never have any peace of mind. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2007, 05:53:12 AM »

You can't tell me you could connect to the racist statements made on Soul On Ice, that is bullshit, since you are white to. If you listen to that and don't feel anything when listening it's either one out of 2 things (if not both):

1. You don't respect yourself.
2. You're stupid.


Once again, it's a real cool album but i am gettin' kinda tired of rapper's reverse racism. They want "black" people to get treated better yet every chance they get they go at "white" people. These rappers have a big influence on kids (as well as a part of the "grown-ups"), and many kids see them as their idols who they should follow, but yet these dudes can't seem to give a good message for once. It is not about black and white, it's all about money, and no matter how wrong that is, we all keep that together by basically live toget money, do anything to get your hands on that scrilla. So yeah, blaming other races/nationalities/religions etc. is just a stupid act which shows the rapper's opinion is mad biased and he takes the easy way of blaming someone else and forget about himself.

Now back to the topic, the raw beats and tight lyrics on Soul On Ice make it what it is. If he had used "better" producers the sound would have been different to it, and maybe we wouldn't be talking about that album right now. The whole raw, simple feel to Soul On Ice made it what it is, period.

The reason why it doesn't bother me is simple, I have no racial pride.  Also, whenever I have gone through hard times in my life white people have never helped me, it's always been somebody non-white who has given me knowledge to rise above my situation.  So I have no loyalty towards whites.

Ras Kass' commentary on race relations throughout the album is partly what makes the album great.  "Nature of the Threat" is one of the most spectacular hip-hop tracks ever recorded, and it is also a song that stirred my interest towards Islam back when I was still an atheist.

Ras spits venom against a system that had him locked up and in prison at age 18.  He tells the story Evil That Men Do saying "I look at myself and see every other nigger I knew".  The problems he was talking about are widespread in the black community.  He breaks it down in order and chaos when he says, "I don't eat swine and beat the shit out of skinheads/ but where's my piece of mind, huh/ leasin a lex on credit/ all the liquor and pussy a nigger can get/ put the puzzle together but the pieces won't fit!"

That shit is deep, and it is way real.  He's talking about how so many black people are pacified with liquor and pussy but they never have any peace of mind. 




Did you know Ras Kass killed someone in a car accident where he was guilty of cause he was drunk?
 

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2007, 06:03:32 AM »


Did you know Ras Kass killed someone in a car accident where he was guilty of cause he was drunk?


Yes.  He talks about it in "The Evil That Men Do".  Whiich, again, this is what makes the album so dope, is that Ras expresses so much of his personal life and emotions throughout the album.  It's one of the realest albums ever.  It's no image, because when you got lyrics like Ras Kass does, you don't need image to sell records, you can be yourself.
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2007, 11:15:22 PM »


Did you know Ras Kass killed someone in a car accident where he was guilty of cause he was drunk?


Yes.  He talks about it in "The Evil That Men Do".  Whiich, again, this is what makes the album so dope, is that Ras expresses so much of his personal life and emotions throughout the album.  It's one of the realest albums ever.  It's no image, because when you got lyrics like Ras Kass does, you don't need image to sell records, you can be yourself.


How can you see things like this if you knew?

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Ras spits venom against a system that had him locked up and in prison at age 18.

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That shit is deep, and it is way real.  He's talking about how so many black people are pacified with liquor and pussy but they never have any peace of mind.


He killed a innocent person just cause he couldn't leave the bottle alone, so how can you talk all that stuff, it's a good album, but you just on his nuts cause he is against white people. One again shows me your limited thinking capacity.
 

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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2007, 11:25:17 PM »

He killed a innocent person just cause he couldn't leave the bottle alone, so how can you talk all that stuff, it's a good album, but you just on his nuts cause he is against white people. One again shows me your limited thinking capacity.


So you think that if someone makes a mistake when they are 18, then immediately any thing they create after that is worthless.  If that's the case, then alot of the greatest men in history (like Malcolm X) would be worthless.

Also, my second point is that this dude is an artist.  So as an artist, his goal is to make great art, not stay out of trouble.  In fact, the mistakes he has made has only allowed him to produce an even better album, because it gave him material to write about.

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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2007, 11:31:48 PM »

He killed a innocent person just cause he couldn't leave the bottle alone, so how can you talk all that stuff, it's a good album, but you just on his nuts cause he is against white people. One again shows me your limited thinking capacity.


So you think that if someone makes a mistake when they are 18, then immediately any thing they create after that is worthless.  If that's the case, then alot of the greatest men in history (like Malcolm X) would be worthless.

Ras Kass just got out of prison a year and a half ago for multiple DUIs.
 

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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2007, 11:34:52 PM »

Ras Kass just got out of prison a year and a half ago for multiple DUIs.


Good.. now he'll have more material to write about again, and he might come up with another dope album.  Also, he may have been hanging with the Muslims in prison like before, and it may have elevated him spritually.
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2007, 11:37:19 PM »

Ras Kass just got out of prison a year and a half ago for multiple DUIs.


Good.. now he'll have more material to write about again, and he might come up with another dope album.  Also, he may have been hanging with the Muslims in prison like before, and it may have elevated him spritually.

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