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It is classified as a terrorist organisation by the US and because of this it has less credibility as a defensive force as opposed to say, the Lebanese government's army would.
you meant "terrorist" in its official state propaganda sense implying that whoever digresses from the pro-American interest in the middle east is a "terrorist".
Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 27, 2007, 10:35:37 PMIf Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics.
If Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.
my throat hurts, its hard to swallow, and my body feels like i got a serious ass beating.
Quote from: The Overfiend on June 28, 2007, 04:58:26 AMQuote from: J @ M @ L on June 27, 2007, 10:35:37 PMIf Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics. I have one thing to say to refute that bullshit: 1982... Hezbollah wasn't there, and Israel invaded...
"Terrorism is the war of the poor; war is the terrorism of the rich."
Quote from: The Overfiend on June 28, 2007, 06:22:19 AMIt is classified as a terrorist organisation by the US and because of this it has less credibility as a defensive force as opposed to say, the Lebanese government's army would. lol...Just wanted to make sure that:Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on June 28, 2007, 05:47:59 AMyou meant "terrorist" in its official state propaganda sense implying that whoever digresses from the pro-American interest in the middle east is a "terrorist".
Quote from: J @ M @ L on June 28, 2007, 03:51:36 PMQuote from: The Overfiend on June 28, 2007, 04:58:26 AMQuote from: J @ M @ L on June 27, 2007, 10:35:37 PMIf Hezbollah isn't there, Israel will just take that shit... the only thing in their way is Hezbollah... and that's why they're so persistent in their bullshit.I think instead of Hezbollah guarding the boarder, Lebanon needs proper government forces there, because they won't be popping off rounds into Israel. I think it should be for the Lebanese government to decide it's own relations with Israel, not a terrorist organisation that's existence is justified by fighting with Israel. Often Hezbollah's actions are the excuse Israel needs, if Israel had a peaceful boarder with Lebanon, with Lebanese army troops manning the boarder instead of a terrorist militia like Hezbollah, it would be a war between nations if Israel invaded south Lebanon, instead of a war between a terrorist group and a nation. I just think dealing with Israel can't be done through violence, because then it will always be justified in whatever it does. The best way to deal with it is nation to nation and any disputes whether over access to water or whatever should be able to be pursued through diplomatic channels inside of just throwing it all in with the militias and their tactics. I have one thing to say to refute that bullshit: 1982... Hezbollah wasn't there, and Israel invaded... You fail to grasp my point everytime, so have it your way then, lets just keep applauding Hezbollah everytime it sends a few rockets into Israel, thats a fantastic way to deal with problems and promote peace.
If Israel's terror is greater and if it's been directed for years against Lebanon, before Hezbollah even existed, and was the reason for the creation of Hezbollah, how can you present Hezbollah as an obstacle to a genuine settlement when in fact it was the only substantial force to counter Israel's destruction of Lebanon.So far you've expressed your contention that peace can exist only on u.s-israel terms because they possess greater power. Admitting u.s and Israel to be terrorist states, as you did, is simply acknowledging a fact and does not automatically grant you "Dove" status.As we have seen, this fact did not impede your support for u.s-israeli policies regarding Lebanon since you purport the main problem to be Hezbollah. Great power is hard to counter, it involves a risk, and you can rationally argue that such a risk is too great to undertake, but it is frivolous to absolve the primary culprits from their overwhelming share of guilt and with even more reason it is ridiculous to blame those who chose to defend their country from imminent destruction for the prolongation of the conflict.
was looking out for alot of factors about Lebanon such as the economic safety of the country and the infastructure, factors that would have been put in danger by Hezbollah escalating something with Israel
Ok, I'm gonna be brief:There are no "skirmishes" between Israel and Lebanon aside from those Israel initiates. Disregard of this hitorical fact absolves the primary culprits(Namely U.S and Israel) from guilt and turns Hezbollah's role into the main obstacle.It is convenient to disregard history when you wanna portray a disfavorable picture of an official enemy, especially when you don't want to seem biased (I'm pretty much an expert at this kind of argument if you go back and read my older posts).
Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians,
Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on June 28, 2007, 05:47:59 AM Hezbollah killed approximately 40 Israeli civilians, I wanna shake the hand of the leader of a group who got rid of 40 pieces of shit scumbags from this earth