I officially predict Ron Paul wont' win a fucking thing

[Shallow]

why u always on infinites nuts for?

It's all good.


I don't have any real problem with Infinite. He purposely says stupid things to get a rise out of people and I respond with stupid things to get a rise out of him. I don't mean any of it as an insult, and I don't think he takes it as such.

Your trying to make it sound like it's joking between friends.  That is definitely not the case.  Lyrical G called it correctly above.

Well I guess you do take it as such. Maybe you even seriously offended Taruma's faith and reasons for it and weren't just taking a harmless jab, but I do not personally insult people with ill intent. If you take it the wrong way I could care less. Stop saying stupid shit and I'll stop responding with it.

[jeromechickenbone]

Now, just for clarity: I have no problem with Ron Paul.  If he was the candidate, I would vote for him. 

What in the hell does that mean? Just because hes not the favorite? So in your logic, your gonna vote for whoever is most popular, and has a higher chance of winning?

So your a "follow the crowd" type person?

No, I'm a "You can't elect a guy if he doesn't get nominated" type of guy.  The Republican party will NEVER nominate this dude.  EVER.  The Democrat party would never nominate him either, because he talks about change that would have tons of consequences, but yet he doesn't talk about how to solve any of the consequences.  For instance.  You can't just get rid of the I.R.S. right now.  It would not work.  It'd put millions of people who live on food stamps and shit out on the street.  So his idea is a flat tax.  What happens if the money doesn't match what was collected before?  You've got hundreds of politicians in Washington that can override any idea he has, good or bad, with a 2/3rds vote and you better bet your ass that 2/3rd's of washington wants the status quo. 

I don't really even know where to start here.  One, you're grossly misinformed or simply ignorant to Paul's platform apparently.  He's not for a flat tax (thats Huckabee who is truly leftist masquerading as a Republican), he's for NO INCOME TAX.  Our country and government worked just fine before we amended the constitution for it.  It ties in perfectly with his foreign policy of non-intervention.  When we're not spending $1 TRILLION (yes, I said TRILLION) on a war that 70% of the country is against, you don't need nearly as much in tax dollars.  And Paul acknowledges that you can't just walk in and flip the switch to turn off the IRS.  He's 72 years old, he's been around the block.  He will propose phasing it out.  Paul introduces more legislation to congress than any other member.  Trust that he will continue to do so in regards to the income tax.  If America elects Ron Paul and Congress is vetoing everything he does, the American people will not sit by idly.  These people will be replaced by those who hold ideals similar to Paul when the elections for Senate and House come around again.

And I'll say it again, not supporting ideals and fundamentals of someone because you don't think they'll win is bitchmade.  It reeks of accepting failure and uselessness.

You're supporting Hillary Clinton?  Are you serious?  She's a corrupt, communist, career politician which makes her an extremely slimy bitch.  Do you have any clue about how much scandal her and ol Billy have been entrenched in over the last 40 years?  You'd really trust someone like that?  And if you think taxes are high now, just wait till she steps in.

And of course the Democrats would never elect a guy like Paul.  What would make you think a party based on high taxes and socialism would embrace Ron Paul?  He's for self-reliance and accountability.  Pretty much the polar opposite of a Democrat.

Stick to the nintendo games bro.

[jeromechickenbone]

Has Ron Paul won anything yet, btw?  I guess I'm still right. 

The primaries don't start for another 2 days, dumbass.

lol

[Primo]

We cannot afford socialism, period

[Trauma-san]

Now, just for clarity: I have no problem with Ron Paul.  If he was the candidate, I would vote for him. 

What in the hell does that mean? Just because hes not the favorite? So in your logic, your gonna vote for whoever is most popular, and has a higher chance of winning?

So your a "follow the crowd" type person?

No, I'm a "You can't elect a guy if he doesn't get nominated" type of guy.  The Republican party will NEVER nominate this dude.  EVER.  The Democrat party would never nominate him either, because he talks about change that would have tons of consequences, but yet he doesn't talk about how to solve any of the consequences.  For instance.  You can't just get rid of the I.R.S. right now.  It would not work.  It'd put millions of people who live on food stamps and shit out on the street.  So his idea is a flat tax.  What happens if the money doesn't match what was collected before?  You've got hundreds of politicians in Washington that can override any idea he has, good or bad, with a 2/3rds vote and you better bet your ass that 2/3rd's of washington wants the status quo. 

well actually he doesnt want to replace the IRS with anything, but believes that the few people who are dependent on goverment will still do so but wont be permanent. And even if the income tax was elimianted we will still have the same revenues from 10 years ago, not to mention alot more money flowing into the economy

and yes you are right, most people in washighton want the status quo. its all about money and power for them.

So basically his platform is to end the IRS, even though it's the sole source of income for the U.S. government, and not replace it with anything?  Yeah.... o.k.  Let me know ho does with that!

[Trauma-san]

I don't really even know where to start here.  One, you're grossly misinformed or simply ignorant to Paul's platform apparently.  He's not for a flat tax (thats Huckabee who is truly leftist masquerading as a Republican), he's for NO INCOME TAX.  Our country and government worked just fine before we amended the constitution for it.  It ties in perfectly with his foreign policy of non-intervention.  When we're not spending $1 TRILLION (yes, I said TRILLION) on a war that 70% of the country is against, you don't need nearly as much in tax dollars.  And Paul acknowledges that you can't just walk in and flip the switch to turn off the IRS.  He's 72 years old, he's been around the block.  He will propose phasing it out.  Paul introduces more legislation to congress than any other member.  Trust that he will continue to do so in regards to the income tax.  If America elects Ron Paul and Congress is vetoing everything he does, the American people will not sit by idly.  These people will be replaced by those who hold ideals similar to Paul when the elections for Senate and House come around again.

And I'll say it again, not supporting ideals and fundamentals of someone because you don't think they'll win is bitchmade.  It reeks of accepting failure and uselessness.

You're supporting Hillary Clinton?  Are you serious?  She's a corrupt, communist, career politician which makes her an extremely slimy bitch.  Do you have any clue about how much scandal her and ol Billy have been entrenched in over the last 40 years?  You'd really trust someone like that?  And if you think taxes are high now, just wait till she steps in.

And of course the Democrats would never elect a guy like Paul.  What would make you think a party based on high taxes and socialism would embrace Ron Paul?  He's for self-reliance and accountability.  Pretty much the polar opposite of a Democrat.

Stick to the nintendo games bro.

The sole source of the u.s. government's money is the income tax.  If you're saying Paul doesn't want to replace it with a fair tax than you just described him as more crazy than he existed in even my own mind.  It's impossible to simply phase out the I.R.S., it would never work.  You say that we spend a trillion in Iraq, following Ron's policy would leave the country with no money to defend itself if a war ever presented that was inevitable. 

As for his record, yeah, I know about his record.  For instance, he makes sure to get his own earmarks in congressional budgets to bring home tax money to his state, even though he says he's against that.  That's interesting.

He introduces more legislation than any other member (arguably) but how many pass?  That's a good example of what a Ron Paul presidency would be like.

Or even better, look at a Ron Paul campaign.  He can't win 1 state.  Anybody with any intelligence sees that he talks a good talk, but doesn't accomplish anything.

Now, Hillary! THERE'S Somebody ready to lead on day 1 in Washington.  Vote Hillary!!!!

[Shallow]

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Now, Hillary! THERE'S Somebody ready to lead on day 1 in Washington.  Vote Hillary!!!!

She can lead you alright, straight into hell.


You can oppose taxes and still take tax rebates. And still stand against something and vote with your constituency (it's called democracy). Paul won't oppose wars that the American people want, and if Income Tax was the only income how did the country survive those hundred years before it was there?

[Narrator]

We cannot afford socialism, period

Too bad.  My Pan-African Socialist Republic is inevitable.

[Machiavelli]

I don't really even know where to start here.  One, you're grossly misinformed or simply ignorant to Paul's platform apparently.  He's not for a flat tax (thats Huckabee who is truly leftist masquerading as a Republican), he's for NO INCOME TAX.  Our country and government worked just fine before we amended the constitution for it.  It ties in perfectly with his foreign policy of non-intervention.  When we're not spending $1 TRILLION (yes, I said TRILLION) on a war that 70% of the country is against, you don't need nearly as much in tax dollars.  And Paul acknowledges that you can't just walk in and flip the switch to turn off the IRS.  He's 72 years old, he's been around the block.  He will propose phasing it out.  Paul introduces more legislation to congress than any other member.  Trust that he will continue to do so in regards to the income tax.  If America elects Ron Paul and Congress is vetoing everything he does, the American people will not sit by idly.  These people will be replaced by those who hold ideals similar to Paul when the elections for Senate and House come around again.

And I'll say it again, not supporting ideals and fundamentals of someone because you don't think they'll win is bitchmade.  It reeks of accepting failure and uselessness.

You're supporting Hillary Clinton?  Are you serious?  She's a corrupt, communist, career politician which makes her an extremely slimy bitch.  Do you have any clue about how much scandal her and ol Billy have been entrenched in over the last 40 years?  You'd really trust someone like that?  And if you think taxes are high now, just wait till she steps in.

And of course the Democrats would never elect a guy like Paul.  What would make you think a party based on high taxes and socialism would embrace Ron Paul?  He's for self-reliance and accountability.  Pretty much the polar opposite of a Democrat.

Stick to the nintendo games bro.

The sole source of the u.s. government's money is the income tax.  If you're saying Paul doesn't want to replace it with a fair tax than you just described him as more crazy than he existed in even my own mind.  It's impossible to simply phase out the I.R.S., it would never work.  You say that we spend a trillion in Iraq, following Ron's policy would leave the country with no money to defend itself if a war ever presented that was inevitable. 

As for his record, yeah, I know about his record.  For instance, he makes sure to get his own earmarks in congressional budgets to bring home tax money to his state, even though he says he's against that.  That's interesting.

He introduces more legislation than any other member (arguably) but how many pass?  That's a good example of what a Ron Paul presidency would be like.

Or even better, look at a Ron Paul campaign.  He can't win 1 state.  Anybody with any intelligence sees that he talks a good talk, but doesn't accomplish anything.

Now, Hillary! THERE'S Somebody ready to lead on day 1 in Washington.  Vote Hillary!!!!

over 30% of goverments money is from the income tax. how do u think this county worked for 130 years without income tax? tarifs, user fees,...anything thing is better then the income tax though if u have to replace it with anything.


and he's a congressman, he represents the people of his district. if they want want tax money is he gunna say no? thats his whole point

[Teddy Roosevelt]

The sole source of the u.s. government's money is the income tax.  If you're saying Paul doesn't want to replace it with a fair tax than you just described him as more crazy than he existed in even my own mind.  It's impossible to simply phase out the I.R.S., it would never work.  You say that we spend a trillion in Iraq, following Ron's policy would leave the country with no money to defend itself if a war ever presented that was inevitable. 

Income tax only makes up about 33% of income for the government. Since 1996 the government has increased spending by about one third. I'm sure even you can do the math.

[jeromechickenbone]

Now, just for clarity: I have no problem with Ron Paul.  If he was the candidate, I would vote for him. 

What in the hell does that mean? Just because hes not the favorite? So in your logic, your gonna vote for whoever is most popular, and has a higher chance of winning?

So your a "follow the crowd" type person?

No, I'm a "You can't elect a guy if he doesn't get nominated" type of guy.  The Republican party will NEVER nominate this dude.  EVER.  The Democrat party would never nominate him either, because he talks about change that would have tons of consequences, but yet he doesn't talk about how to solve any of the consequences.  For instance.  You can't just get rid of the I.R.S. right now.  It would not work.  It'd put millions of people who live on food stamps and shit out on the street.  So his idea is a flat tax.  What happens if the money doesn't match what was collected before?  You've got hundreds of politicians in Washington that can override any idea he has, good or bad, with a 2/3rds vote and you better bet your ass that 2/3rd's of washington wants the status quo. 

well actually he doesnt want to replace the IRS with anything, but believes that the few people who are dependent on goverment will still do so but wont be permanent. And even if the income tax was elimianted we will still have the same revenues from 10 years ago, not to mention alot more money flowing into the economy

and yes you are right, most people in washighton want the status quo. its all about money and power for them.

So basically his platform is to end the IRS, even though it's the sole source of income for the U.S. government, and not replace it with anything?  Yeah.... o.k.  Let me know ho does with that!

It's not the sole source of income, The IRS makes up less than 1/2 of our tax revenue brah.

[LooN3y]

if rp doesnt win is he gonna want to run again in candidacy in the next elections?

[Machiavelli]

if rp doesnt win is he gonna want to run again in candidacy in the next elections?

doubt it, but more people will adapt his message and veiws

[Trauma-san]

Hillary *creamed* Ron Paul tonight.  Geesh.  He got like 11% of the 80 or 90 thousand republicans that turned out, and Hillary got 29% of the 200 thousand democrats that turned out.  It's time we get rid of these republicans (Ron Paul is a republican, by the way) in the white house!!!

VOTE HILLARY!!!! '08

[Primo]

Trauma weren't you a neo-con a few years back. Now you embrase socialism. hmmmm. Paul got 11% in a very religious Iowa. Not too bad.