*VIDEO* Michael Jordan answers the Kobe vs. Jordan question

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dont get me wrong i see what your saying but my argument is that in this kobe v jordan case it would only be good if kobe was averaging more points than jordan. id rather a player shoot 10/20 FG with no 3's then a player shooting 8/20 with 2 3's. do you see what im saying? if kobe was averaging the same points as jordan but on a higher 3pt percentage than jordan then i could see how the 3pt shot would be beneficial as it would be harder to guard a player who avaraged 35pts but had a 3pt shot rather than avaraging 35pts without a 3pt shot. i think thats what your saying tho right? that kobe is better offensivley because its harder to match up defensivley with a player with an inside and outside game?

but in my argument i think an argument could be made between shaq and iverson if a players offensive contributuion is based on 3pt percentage. during shaqs higher scoring years he was avaraging basically the same as iverson (29-30ppg). Shaq only needed half the shots iverson did even tho iverson had the 3pt shot. thats what made shaq (LA years) and jordan so good and so dominant offensivley because they have such a high effeciency on there shots to points ratio.

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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.

yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.



On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.

Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.

oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.

Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.

First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player.  Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.

[eS El Duque]

Honestly

Jordan>>>>>KObe...forever TILL PROVEN OTHERWISE.


Understand that? There is no void or Null...Truth is Jordan  is better till Kobe can prove he is.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

kobe is better offensivley because its harder to match up defensivley with a player with an inside and outside game?

Exactly...and also, Kobe would average 35+ ppg every year if that's what the team needed.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.


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Kobe Bryant Career Totals


Michael Jordan Career Totals

Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.

yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.



On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.

Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.

oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.

Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.

First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player.  Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.

Wrong and wrong...in 2002, the coaching staff decided it was Kobe's turn to be the focal point of the team, but Shaq threatned to "not play defense or rebound". Shaq would NOT have still been a Laker, because the trade demande was over CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Stop acting like you know what's up when you don't. LOL@Kobe having a stronger work ethic being weird by you definition. pathetic. all you do is speak off of ignorance. Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.

[topdogg187]

Jordan = Greatest Bball Player that has ever graced the court and that will never change i dont see kobe winning another 3 championships and i dont even have him winning the first 3 without shaq daddy, while jordan led them to 6 championships and has never lost in the finals whereas kobe has already lost twice and second time in a game where they were gettin demolished jordan would never lose that badly. Kobe nuthuggers can cry all they want and compare but it's never gonan change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.

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Kobe Bryant Career Totals


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Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.

yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.



On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.

Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.

oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.

Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.

First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player.  Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.

Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.

that says it all....lol

He for damn sure isnt "on pace" to be better then Jordan. So with that said, what is he on pace for? Second best 2 guard.  At some point NIK you gotta understand what everybody else in their right mind already does. Kobe is nowhere near MJ's level, and more then likely wont be. He's in the prime of his career...and still not mentally on the level Jordan ever was. There is no reason to believe he'll make some drastic turnaround lol. You obviously are a fan of his, or more so....obsessed with him. So youre vision is completely clouded. You dont know how to look at this argument with an unbiased opinion. Dont you notice how it seems to be Laker (Kobe) fans vs the rest of the world when it comes to the Kobe vs MJ argument?? lol Whether its MJ fans.....Knick fans....Piston fans....Celtics fans.....doesnt matter. If they arent specifically cheering for Kobe, then they agree. MJ > Kobe....easily.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Kobe Bryant Career Season Avg.


Michael Jordan Career Season Avg.


Kobe Bryant Career Totals


Michael Jordan Career Totals

Gee, lets compare their career totals when Kobe came into the league out of high school, playing minimal minutes behind Eddie Jones in his first couple seasons...fair, right? Kobe has years of prime basketball ahead of him...stop with the unbalanced stat comparisons.

yeah, but when you take OUT Kobe's first two seasons....Jordan still has better stats (averagewise). If anything, that would put Kobe at an advantage for his years AFTER the first two....he got a taste of the league earlier then Jordan. Not to mention, that would still include Jordans time with the Wizards where his stats dipped alot.



On a side note, its silly to argue this lol. Jordan was obviously better then Kobe. Kobe fans like to argue this because even an argument as to whos better gives Kobe more credit then he deserves. He's the second best 2 guard ever....but still not near Jordan.

Jordan's numbers would not be the same had he played most of his career with Shaq.

oooooh....bad move bringing that up. I almost forgot. So youre right. Not only are Jordans stats better....but if you take Shaq out of the equation, Jordan would have 6 more rings then Kobe.

Pippen was a better compliment to Jordan than Shaq woulda been...Jordan was too egotistical to co-exist with someone like Shaq. Both players need to have it their way. Kobe was able to adapt, he was able to defer to Shaq's ego in order to win, including when the coaching staff wanted different and including the seasons where his MVP candidacy was higher than Shaq's. Kobe is also known to have a stronger work-ethic than Jordan, who also had an amazing work-ethic, but even those who have seen MJ train say Kobe's easily the hardest worker this league has ever seen. If you think Kobe's not on pace to being GOAT, then you're simply not being fair with your arguments.

First off, Kobe did not have a choice but to defer to Shaq. Shaq was the focal point of that team. Its not like Kobe sat back and said, hey...im gonna let this be Shaq'a team so we can win lol. If that were the case...Shaq would still be in LA. As far as Kobe's work ethic. Its in the teams, and even the league's best interest really to argue on behalf of the CURRENT players. Its what keeps the league thriving, rather then fans always looking back to how good things USED to be. Even if by some wierd chance Kobe did have a better work ethic then Jordan....then that just goes to show how Jordans talents, and mental ability on the court were far higher then Kobe's....seeing as how Jordan is obviously the better player.  Kobe is no on pace to being the GOAT. He's on pace to being the second best 2 guard of all time. Not that "on pace" ever means shit.

Kobe isn't "on pace" to being the 2nd greatest 2gurard, because he doesn't even have any competition for that. He's the greatest talent this game has seen and is on pace to proving it career-wise. Point blank.

that says it all....lol

He for damn sure isnt "on pace" to be better then Jordan. So with that said, what is he on pace for? Second best 2 guard.  At some point NIK you gotta understand what everybody else in their right mind already does. Kobe is nowhere near MJ's level, and more then likely wont be. He's in the prime of his career...and still not mentally on the level Jordan ever was. There is no reason to believe he'll make some drastic turnaround lol. You obviously are a fan of his, or more so....obsessed with him. So youre vision is completely clouded. You dont know how to look at this argument with an unbiased opinion. Dont you notice how it seems to be Laker (Kobe) fans vs the rest of the world when it comes to the Kobe vs MJ argument?? lol Whether its MJ fans.....Knick fans....Piston fans....Celtics fans.....doesnt matter. If they arent specifically cheering for Kobe, then they agree. MJ > Kobe....easily.

your claims are irrational...many people out there have already acknowledge that if Kobe isn't better than Jordan, he's at least on his level...LOL@mentally. Do you even understand the impact of a guy like Kobe? Even when he's playing with the best players in the world for the USA Team, he's still leading the way and everyone is feeding off of HIM. To say he's not mentally near Jordan is unfounded and baseless. Saying their's not a chance he can end his career as the GOAT is being unfair.

[Now_Im_Not_Banned]

Jordan = Greatest Bball Player that has ever graced the court and that will never change i dont see kobe winning another 3 championships and i dont even have him winning the first 3 without shaq daddy, while jordan led them to 6 championships and has never lost in the finals whereas kobe has already lost twice and second time in a game where they were gettin demolished jordan would never lose that badly. Kobe nuthuggers can cry all they want and compare but it's never gonan change the fact that MJ is the GOAT.

Kobe will definitely win a few more NBA titles, no doubt in my mind. Jordan doesn't win without Pippen, so your point is null and void. Jordan had years where he didn't even make the playoffs, so saying "he would never lose that badly" is absurd. Jordan never won shit with the second best player on his team down, only Magic was able to do that...PeACe

["THE" MoSav]

in in 94-95 MJ came back and it was just him and Pippen and they got handled in the playoffs by Orlando. Spice, ur talking crazy! Pierce compared to Kobe..Cmon Spice..Ray Allen was JUST as big in the series as Pierce

["THE" MoSav]

how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...

["THE" MoSav]

And this is such a stupid argument, becuz people feel way too split about this..I think MJ is the greatest of all time, but i cant hate on someone that thinks its Kobe..

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how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...

First of all, I never said Kobe doesn't have his share of ego, but unlike Jordan, he's able to put his ego in check when needed...Kobe never refused to shoot in that Phoenix game, he was following Phil's command by trying to get everyone involved. If you really think Kobe is willing to lose a Game 7 just to prove a point, then you don't know the first thing about the guy...If you read books about both players, you'd understand where I'm coming from.

["THE" MoSav]

how you gonna say Jordan is Egotistical but Kobe isnt? cmon Nik. This is the same guy that wouldnt shoot in a playoff game against the Suns to prove a point, he did the same shit against the Kings in 05 when people said he was shooting too much, Tanked the game till it was too late to come back..thats as egotistical as it gets. U make very good points with what you say, but cmon...

First of all, I never said Kobe doesn't have his share of ego, but unlike Jordan, he's able to put his ego in check when needed...Kobe never refused to shoot in that Phoenix game, he was following Phil's command by trying to get everyone involved. If you really think Kobe is willing to lose a Game 7 just to prove a point, then you don't know the first thing about the guy...If you read books about both players, you'd understand where I'm coming from.

thats real. See i dont know what Phil tells him, i just see the guy not shooting, thats all i have to judge off, and i have read books about Jordan, but Kobe, no i havent..But whether or not Jordan had ego he was able to put it aside for 6 rings, and you cant deny that

[GangstaBoogy]

This Jordan vs Kobe comparison is just proof that Kobe is the fuckin best. The haters always start out trying to hype someone us up to be better than Kobe (ie: Iverson, Vince Carter, Lebron, Wade), then when Kobe puts on some God-like performance they go back to their usual "yeah he's pretty good but he's no Jordan" bullshit. Niggas is scared cuz they see Kobe de-throning the king.