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Quote from: El the Self Image on January 28, 2009, 07:42:35 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 04:37:39 PMQuote from: virtuoso on January 28, 2009, 04:26:24 PMQuote from: ^ReLentLess^ on January 28, 2009, 02:27:08 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 02:16:21 PMLet's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning. word,thats one undeniable positive thing to come out of this election,regardless the outcome. not only the youthful movement but the resurgence as a whole of the voting process. we owe alot of it to Obama and W for being a colossal fuck-up. Put another way, how do you think this current surge of grass roots enthusiasm will feel if they feel that Obama is not a change for the better, demoralised maybe?If people are helping out the community already, they're not going to stop doing what they are doing because of what Obama has done. I'm not talking about the people that went to vote for the first time, I'm talking about that actually showed a deeper interest in stuff like medical care, students, senior citizens, and others. Point well taken my friend, but many people became interested in doing something about "medical care, students, senior citizens, and others" only because of Obama, and that is something that sets him apart from all other presidents (besides the fact that he has the biggest dick and his wife has the biggest ass ) indeed, he did bring "Change" but only as an inspiration....See, a lot of folks just don't get it.... Obama is like those crappy Diet pills you buy at Wal-Mart.... They don't do shit... but when you take them, YOU do more work, so YOU get the results that YOU wanted, even though the pills didn't do shit for you.... they are just a catalyst.... that's what Obama is, a catalyst...The biggest thing I got from seeing Obama in person speak was this point, that we as people in the community need to go out and make change ourselves. And this is way more powerful than anything I've seen out of the Ron Paul camp...
Quote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 04:37:39 PMQuote from: virtuoso on January 28, 2009, 04:26:24 PMQuote from: ^ReLentLess^ on January 28, 2009, 02:27:08 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 02:16:21 PMLet's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning. word,thats one undeniable positive thing to come out of this election,regardless the outcome. not only the youthful movement but the resurgence as a whole of the voting process. we owe alot of it to Obama and W for being a colossal fuck-up. Put another way, how do you think this current surge of grass roots enthusiasm will feel if they feel that Obama is not a change for the better, demoralised maybe?If people are helping out the community already, they're not going to stop doing what they are doing because of what Obama has done. I'm not talking about the people that went to vote for the first time, I'm talking about that actually showed a deeper interest in stuff like medical care, students, senior citizens, and others. Point well taken my friend, but many people became interested in doing something about "medical care, students, senior citizens, and others" only because of Obama, and that is something that sets him apart from all other presidents (besides the fact that he has the biggest dick and his wife has the biggest ass ) indeed, he did bring "Change" but only as an inspiration....See, a lot of folks just don't get it.... Obama is like those crappy Diet pills you buy at Wal-Mart.... They don't do shit... but when you take them, YOU do more work, so YOU get the results that YOU wanted, even though the pills didn't do shit for you.... they are just a catalyst.... that's what Obama is, a catalyst...
Quote from: virtuoso on January 28, 2009, 04:26:24 PMQuote from: ^ReLentLess^ on January 28, 2009, 02:27:08 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 02:16:21 PMLet's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning. word,thats one undeniable positive thing to come out of this election,regardless the outcome. not only the youthful movement but the resurgence as a whole of the voting process. we owe alot of it to Obama and W for being a colossal fuck-up. Put another way, how do you think this current surge of grass roots enthusiasm will feel if they feel that Obama is not a change for the better, demoralised maybe?If people are helping out the community already, they're not going to stop doing what they are doing because of what Obama has done. I'm not talking about the people that went to vote for the first time, I'm talking about that actually showed a deeper interest in stuff like medical care, students, senior citizens, and others.
Quote from: ^ReLentLess^ on January 28, 2009, 02:27:08 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 02:16:21 PMLet's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning. word,thats one undeniable positive thing to come out of this election,regardless the outcome. not only the youthful movement but the resurgence as a whole of the voting process. we owe alot of it to Obama and W for being a colossal fuck-up. Put another way, how do you think this current surge of grass roots enthusiasm will feel if they feel that Obama is not a change for the better, demoralised maybe?
Quote from: Mr. Javii on January 28, 2009, 02:16:21 PMLet's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning. word,thats one undeniable positive thing to come out of this election,regardless the outcome. not only the youthful movement but the resurgence as a whole of the voting process. we owe alot of it to Obama and W for being a colossal fuck-up.
Let's not forget that a lot of these "groupies" are starting to be more politically active in their community. Say what you want about where were these people before Obama, but the case remains that these types of people are here because of Obama winning.
Interesting,but most people greatly over estimate the power and the influence of families like the Rothchilds, Rockafellars, or "Goldman Sachs" which is a new one to me.....One good turn deserves another, right? http://www.theinfovault.net/vault/spirituality/theinsider.html
Quote from: El the Self Image on February 03, 2009, 12:02:14 PMInteresting,but most people greatly over estimate the power and the influence of families like the Rothchilds, Rockafellars, or "Goldman Sachs" which is a new one to me.....One good turn deserves another, right? http://www.theinfovault.net/vault/spirituality/theinsider.htmlClearly your statement is inaccurate, here is an excerpt I just took from the israeli times....Mayer Amschel Rothschild (February 23, 1744 - September 19, 1812) was the founder of the Rothschild family banking empire that would become one of the most successful business families in history. In 2005, he was ranked 7th on the Forbes magazine list of the The Twenty Most Influential Businessmen Of All Time. The business magazine referred to him as a “founding father of international finance.”He was born Mayer Amschel Bauer on February 23, 1744 in Frankfurt-am-Main, Germany to Moses Amschel Bauer. He changed his name to Rothschild (Red Shield in English) from Bauer, the previous family name, in reference to the red shield that was the official house sign and thus logotype of the family business, a bank founded by his father Moses.Much of the early Rothschild fortune and rise to prominence was built on business dealings with Wilhelm IX, Landgrave of Hesse-Cassel. William had inherited what was purported to be among the largest fortunes in Europe and eventually came to depend substantially on Mayer for managing this fortune, particularly during and after the invasion and conquest of the area by Napoleon.In fact, it was Nathon Rothschild who Within 11 years he had gained such a position of power in the City of London he was able to supply enough coin to the crown to stop a "market liquidity crisis", not dissimilar to the current credit crunch. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/10/23/rothschild-dynasty-a-true-tale-of-rags-to-riches-115875-20830890/Just on a general note to, how can anyone underestimate the power of the banking families? who finances the wars? who finances the think tanks? I have noticed a pattern, if you read the mainstream media they positively reveal in the power and influence of the banking families and their fortunes, until that is, people turn round and start viewing this in disgust and then of course you are a conspiracy theorist, you hate jews blah blah blah.
I love the title "changefest"...and some people are just not able to handle satire. stewart's point was to show how similar presidential rhethorics are when they come from different people with approaches that are actually different. this wasn't about showing obama is similar to bush, which, frankly and no matter how much you like obama or not, is a rather dumb thing to say
Bush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it.
Quote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PMBush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it. You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PMBush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it. You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.You must not live in cold weather. I digress, I think we learned months ago you and I will never be on the same page on topics like these.
Quote from: virtuoso on February 04, 2009, 04:40:09 PMQuote from: Mr. Javii on February 04, 2009, 04:30:41 PMBush or any Repbulican would never want a Federal program to weatherize your home. That's in the works with Obama as President, something that Bush-led Congress would never approve of. And there's plenty of little important things like that shows the difference between the two. Now this whole fantasy you guys have about eliminating the Federal Reserve, etc....it's just not going to happen anytime soon. The fact is that Obama didn't campaign on getting rid of it or anything like it. You mean to control the temperature in your home? and if so, you call that a good thing, a government having the power to decide your thermostat. Also the Federal Reserve was only one element, if that was all, well it could be grudgingly accepted but it sure isn't, that's only the tip of the iceberg.Home Weatherization isn't just controlling the temperature in your home. The government deciding the power of your thermostat? Are you kidding me?! You're overreacting, all we're talking about is a way of saving energy. Something that should have been done a long ass time ago. Why should we use energy excessively when there are ways we can reduce it, to help each and every one of us.
Quote from: Kill on February 04, 2009, 03:20:24 PMI love the title "changefest"...and some people are just not able to handle satire. stewart's point was to show how similar presidential rhethorics are when they come from different people with approaches that are actually different. this wasn't about showing obama is similar to bush, which, frankly and no matter how much you like obama or not, is a rather dumb thing to sayHow is it dumb? and again there is this refusal to see a distinction it's not about liking or disliking an individual it's about what they stand for. Me and others have pointed out hundreds of times why nothing is changing, at least not changing for the better anyway but here is a quick run down.
The military is staying put in Iraq, there are some 30 permanent bases in Iraq need I remind youThe troops are being withdrawn from Iraq but in turn are being used to bolster the troop numbers in Afghanistan
Supposing guantanamo bay is closed, Obama has just ordered the continuation of CIA extroadinary renditions aka the kidnapping of civilians who are to be placed in "secret prisons" aka other torture centres.
The Federal Reserve is still there and even if it loses some of it's power, it's already been discussed in Davos that a new world central bank needs to be created, further centralising power.
He is fully supportive of carbon tax, which gives them the opportunity to basically tax every facet of your life, more taxes, going into a depression hmmm
He supported the bank cash give aways in fact he even appeared before congress to give an impassioned speech urging the bail out bill to be passed.
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