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Elano

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"Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« on: June 15, 2009, 01:10:17 AM »
AMEN TO THAT.
and big props to this awesome spanish player  8)
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ORLANDO -- For the first time this June, Pau Gasol seemed slightly overwhelmed.

His shirt was soaked with the beverage of champions and his hair was a mess. (Ah, who are we kidding? Gasol's hair is always a mess.) He had just taken photos holding the Larry O'Brien trophy and was headed for the press room, but was swarmed by Spanish media as if he had just caught a pass in the post. He answered questions for dos minutos -- not nearly enough time for his countrymen -- before being led away again, this time to take pictures with Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom.

"This is crazy," he said to no one in particular as he was led back to spend some time in front of NBAE photographer Andrew Bernstein's lens.

He wasn't used to this, all the attention afforded to a newly crowned NBA champion. Snap, snap. Grip and grin. Grin bigger, please? Yes. Snap. OK, Pau, you're done. As he tried to make his way back to the press room for the postgame interviews, someone else tried to make his way in.

"Come on in," Gasol said, stepping aside.

"Still a gentleman," said a guard near the door.

And now, a champion. And that small gesture to a stranger near the door provided a perfect snapshot as to why the 7-foot Spaniard was perfect for the Lakers' triangle offense: Gasol knew when to step aside and defer to others. He knew when to pass, he knew when to shoot and he knew that on occasion he'd need to clean up his teammate's messes on the offensive glass.

If Kobe Bryant was L.A.'s alpha dog during the Lakers' run to a 15th NBA title, Gasol is the beta version -- a new-age post player eager and able to do things in the triangle offense.

"He's a willing passer," Lakers assistant Jim Cleamons said. "You're either a hub or a hole. He's a hub. The offense can function because he's an unselfish player and he has the skills to make the offense work."

Few, if any, big men have done it better than Gasol. Few, if any, have had his unique skill set. Cleamons rattled off some names of big men he's helped Phil Jackson coach in the triangle -- Bill Cartwright, Luc Longley, and of course, Shaquille O'Neal. But Gasol could do things Cartwright and Longley couldn't, such as put the ball on the floor and didn't need to do what O'Neal liked to do, such as score.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak, who swung the deal last February to bring Gasol to the L.A. from Memphis, was succinct about Pau's impact on this title.

"We wouldn't have won it without him," Kupchak said. "Simple as that."

But last year, it wasn't so simple. Kupchak said he knew Gasol had the skills, but he didn't know how he would fit until he got to Los Angeles. While Gasol made an immediate impact on the offensive end of the floor, the Lakers bowed to a superior Boston Celtics team in The Finals.

One of the reasons often cited for the Lakers' inability to top their hated rivals was the Lakers weren't tough enough. Bryant was tough, sure. But Gasol? Soon the old European stereotypes started to fly. Gasol was soft, he couldn't bang, and not only that, he shied away from contact. When he did get hit, he flopped. And on and on and on.

Gasol started changing that perception this summer in Beijing. In the first meeting between Team USA and Spain in the Olympics, Bryant ran through Gasol on a screen.

"Kobe doesn't have any friends on the floor when he's playing against somebody else," Gasol said. "That's just the way it is. He's such a great competitor, he wants to win no matter what, no matter who he's playing."

You want to win a title with me, Kobe seemed to say. Suck it up and get gritty. The message had been sent and had been received. Gasol's defense this season and in these Finals have been a revelation.

He didn't lock down Orlando's Dwight Howard as much as he slowed and frustrated the Magic All-Star center. Howard may have averaged 16.5 points and 16.5 rebounds for the series, but Gasol made him work for every point and every board. Gasol put up stellar numbers himself, including 14 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks in the clincher on Sunday.

"I think the thing that helped us get to this level was the improvements that he made defensively," Bryant said. "He did a terrific job defensively for us all year, and particularly in this series."

Also, Gasol knows where he stands in the Lakers' hierarchy.

"I think as teammates we understand what kind of player he is, what he brings to the table, and we try to complement each other," Gasol said of Bryant. "I think what we've been doing well this year is understanding what our roles were, what our abilities are out there as individuals and make it work as a team."

In the end, that was the clarity every Lakers player needed in order to move forward from the loss last year to the Celtics. For Gasol, it was a little passing, a little shooting, a little dirty work and a lot of attention to the details.

"He's a wonderful basketball player," Cleamons said, "and a wonderful human being."

As we saw after he won the title tonight, that's something he won't check at the door.

 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 01:49:05 AM »
Props to him.
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 02:00:51 AM »
Props to him.

do you agree with what's written on the thread's title ?
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 02:59:22 AM »
Props to him.

do you agree with what's written on the thread's title ?

of course, why would you ask?

Pau Gasol was one of the best players in the NBA this year, from October to June

but if you're trying to be start controversy, you could say X didn't win without Y with any championship team

everyone knows Kevin Garnett would have never played in a Finals game if it wasn't for Paul Pierce
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 06:31:10 AM »
Props to him.

do you agree with what's written on the thread's title ?

You know, that's a dangerous question. Like el creepo said, if your question is if Kobe should thank Pau for his crucial effort, i say yes. He should thank everyone from Morrison to him. I have no problems saying that. Plus i'm the one who always say Kobe AND Shaq couldn't have won the 3peat without Fox, Horry, Fisher, Shaw, Phil, etc.. so i'm all about sharing the props with all the teammates. But i do understand your question. Of course with... let's say.. Samaki Walker or Kwame Brown instead of Pau he couldn't have had the team to win it. But it's an obvious thing: Jordan couldn't have won 6 rings without Pippen, Kukoc, Harper, Phil Jackson, etc.. too. Shaq couldn't have won it without Kobe and Wade, etc.. you know. What's the problem? It's a team sport. It's not tennis.
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 07:27:46 AM »
I hate Kobe as much as the next guy and until this year I'd say he'd never do it. No player can win alone, with out other great players. My argument for the past few years was that Kobe would never be able to do it unless he played second fidde to another great player. Kobe was clearly not second fiddle on the Lakers this year. He was the captain and the leader. He was the best on the team and the most important. So as much as I hate him, and hate the Magic for playing like bone heads Kobe won a championship as a leader and not even I can deny that.
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2009, 09:42:08 AM »
I hate Kobe as much as the next guy and until this year I'd say he'd never do it. No player can win alone, with out other great players.

Yeah. LeBron is God, but he can't win it until he has his own Pau Gasol.
Wade is God, but he can't win it untile he has a new Shaq.
KG is God, but he couldn't win it in Minny with just role players..
CP3 is God, but the Hornets got destroyed badly..
Melo is the Man, but without Billups he had no chance to pass the 1st round..
Artest is the Man, but without Yao the Rockets had no chances (props to them tho')..
You know what i mean?
You need a 2nd DOMINANT player AT LEAST to win a title.
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2009, 10:01:25 AM »
Lol at this thread.
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2009, 11:59:57 AM »

The Best of 3 Worlds
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2009, 12:07:17 PM »
Lol at this thread.
lol @ the morons like you
 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2009, 12:21:47 PM »
Lol at this thread.


exactly what the fuck do you expect kobe to do? win a championship playin 5v1 throughout the whole playoffs? you gonna play hockey or soccer without a goalie?.


elano damn your a fucking moron.
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Elano

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2009, 12:37:47 PM »
Lol at this thread.


exactly what the fuck do you expect kobe to do? win a championship playin 5v1 throughout the whole playoffs? you gonna play hockey or soccer without a goalie?.


elano damn your a fucking moron.
STFU :sshh:
you are a fuckin dumb korean!
just like your retarded sister

 

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2009, 12:38:40 PM »
Lol at this thread.


exactly what the fuck do you expect kobe to do? win a championship playin 5v1 throughout the whole playoffs? you gonna play hockey or soccer without a goalie?.


elano damn your a fucking moron.
STFU :sshh:
you are a fuckin dumb korean!
just like your retarded sister




yea right, you dont got shit to say u dumbfuck.
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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2009, 12:38:47 PM »
Lol at this thread.


exactly what the fuck do you expect kobe to do? win a championship playin 5v1 throughout the whole playoffs? you gonna play hockey or soccer without a goalie?.


elano damn your a fucking moron.
STFU :sshh:
you are a fuckin dumb korean!
just like your retarded sister



LOL
but still pointless thread  :tosser:

The Best of 3 Worlds
 

Elano

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Re: "Kobe did it without Shaq, because he had Pau"
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2009, 12:39:53 PM »
Lol at this thread.


exactly what the fuck do you expect kobe to do? win a championship playin 5v1 throughout the whole playoffs? you gonna play hockey or soccer without a goalie?.


elano damn your a fucking moron.
STFU :sshh:
you are a fuckin dumb korean!
just like your retarded sister




yea right, you dont got shit to say u dumbfuck.

chunga uanga kill yourself you fuckin waste of cum