Chronic Re-Lit sales? any info on it?

[Suga Foot]

imo it was a horrible idea to start off with Death Row's flagship release.  They should have just left it alone, started off with something else.

[Blasphemy]

Why are people surprised? The album had no promotion, they didn't even put the videos back on the air to help it sell. None of the artist endorsed it, Everyone has The Chronic already and no one is going to rebuy a entire album just for 7 tracks which mind you already leaked and a DVD of videos ALREADY AVAILABLE ON THE NET. They fucked it up even worse with The Clean version. Inlcluding such a Bomb track "smoke on" on a shitty clean. God damn, would of been much better on the Uncensored.

That's also were they went wrong....even pressing a censored. No one buys 1, What moron would buy a clean version of a album called "The Chronic" Obviously it fucks up a lot tracks into a unbearable shit fest.


IMO not surprised, but I think The next release is going to sell way better cause None of the tracks on the snoop album have leaked. lol well except Doggystyle (LOL I swear, he picked the right time xD)

[Jimmy H.]

Do we have official sales numbers or are we just basing it off the fact that it didn't make a certain list? Would a re-issued album even go there anyway?

shit, little things like adding 187 after lil ghetto boy as it was originally sequenced.

  No. No need to change the track listing.

[ironmike]

the chronic has been re-released so many times and been on the market for 17 years.
everybody who wanted the album wouldve bought it by now, so i dont think there's much interest in people buying albums that we already have.

wideawake will make their money from putting out albums of only unreleased tracks from snoop, and releasing 2pac albums with only the unreleased original tracks.
unreleased music also from the dogg pound & lbc crew can have good sales for independant standards, by both selling over 100k.
for the lbc crew album, they should put "snoop doggy dogg presents" on it, to help it sell more.

[JohnnyL]

 Well...I'm sorry to hear it sold poorly, but here's a few reasons why, imo...

1. No unreleased Dr. Dre tracks - I know this one isn't Wideawake's fault, but I think it really killed a lot of interest in this release.

2. Not enough promotion -  I think this also wasn't completely Wideawake's fault.  Their internet campaign for it was pretty good.  But without really having Dre to help promote it, this was bound to happen.  Most of the people I told about this release weren't even aware of it's existence before I said something to them about it.

3. Odd Track Selections For Bonus Content - Don't get me wrong, some of the bonus tracks on here were fantastic, but some of them seemed out of place for being bonus content for The Chronic.  Also, the track "Smoke On" which was one of the best bonus tracks was only available on the Wal-Mart version.  I think this was a miscalculation on Wideawake's part.
 
4. Poor Remastering of the Bonus Content - I personally don't have an opinion on this, but a lot of people have said the remastering of the bonus material was not good, to say the least.

That being said, there were also a lot of good things about this set.  Wideawake/Death Row is for all intents and purposes, a new company and they're still trying to work all of the bugs out of the system.  I fully expect them to make some mistakes starting out.  I still believe though that they're trying to deliver what the fans want.  And while this release may not have sold well initially, it's still The Chronic so I fully expect to continue to sell as people who are looking to replace their old copies will most likely buy this version, now.

[Jimmy H.]

It still seems odd that they wouldn't crack 3K. They were featured in all the new release ads and end caps for the week and there was a little bit of promotion. We'll see what happens though.

[3331]

people on here are acting like the general public looked into the release and saw that it wasn't satisfactory but if it were done better people would care. only a niche of g-funk nerds are going to give two shits about a reremastered album and some completely random bonus tracks. this was a release destined to fail. i really don't think anything they're going to release is going to do that well. the general public like snoop but they want his new single not some ancient ass album.

[Blasphemy]

people on here are acting like the general public looked into the release and saw that it wasn't satisfactory but if it were done better people would care. only a niche of g-funk nerds are going to give two shits about a reremastered album and some completely random bonus tracks. this was a release destined to fail. i really don't think anything they're going to release is going to do that well. the general public like snoop but they want his new single not some ancient ass album.

This also, Unless you're a Hardcore fan, You won't be rebuying a album you have. I own The Chronic Remastered, but I don't have any plans to rebuy it. I mean I already got the music videos, Idc what Quincy Jones has 2 say about dre (besides it was already posted).I refuse 2 pay for all that content when all I really give a shit about is the tracks. well I got em (Itunes ftw), plus I got the Bonus off The clean. Honestly I doubt the album its self will be sellin well on a hardcopy. I think most of hte sells will be via Itunes, and I only think the 7 tracks will be purchased and the clean track Smoke On, will probably be illegally DLed by Everyone cause no one is going to buy a clean version for 1 track.

[love33]

I like Wideawake and what they're doing coming to the table and trying to get us hardcore fans the music. However, I said when Tha Realest album "Witness Tha Realest," was a good album and only moved 130 copies for a West Coast artist that's sad, but even moreso, I would be worried about my investment if I was WideAwake.  This is why this is significant for WideAwake.

1 - Dead Man Walkin sold 230,000 copies and the Snoop Vault album is a similar effort. DMW was released in 2001, before downloading was huge, and the economy wasn't in a deep recession and downloading was not at an alltime high.  Also the record took some sales off the hype of Snoop's "The Last Meal" which generated some sales.

2 - Nobody hardly even knows about this release. They need to get some commercials on VH1 and promos out.

3 - Snoop was a bigger force in Hip Hop in 2001 than he was now, and new fans aren't looking for him at all these days.  He's now more of just a regional west coast artist.

4 - The market is oversaturated with music, specifically "Snoop Dogg" music. When fans aren't spending their time listening to the thousands of Hip Hop records out today, if they do choose to spend some energy on Snoop there's already enough material there to give someone their fix.

5 - If Tha Realest sells 130 copies, then who is going to buy old OFTB, Crooked I, Tha Realest, Mac Shawn, CPO, Hammer,  Daz, Lady of Rage, etc. albums? I know all of us want them on the net here but the people in general have little interest or education as to why the tracks are so timely and precious (many people don't realize how long hardcore fans waited for these and they don't care)

My prediction: 20,000 copies
If this release busts, why would this company continue to release albums and take a loss?  They aren't even making enough money to pay back the printing machines on Chronic Re-Lit.  They should just put the whole catalog online for digital 99 cent downloads if this release flops.

[JohnnyL]

people on here are acting like the general public looked into the release and saw that it wasn't satisfactory but if it were done better people would care. only a niche of g-funk nerds are going to give two shits about a reremastered album and some completely random bonus tracks. this was a release destined to fail. i really don't think anything they're going to release is going to do that well. the general public like snoop but they want his new single not some ancient ass album.

Quality of the product will always affect sales to some degree.  But I agree with your general statement that none of these releases will probably do big numbers.  I don't think the general public didn't buy it because they found it unsatisfactory.  I think that overall, the general public didn't even know this release existed (and probably still doesn't).

[ttpac]

people on here are acting like the general public looked into the release and saw that it wasn't satisfactory but if it were done better people would care. only a niche of g-funk nerds are going to give two shits about a reremastered album and some completely random bonus tracks. this was a release destined to fail. i really don't think anything they're going to release is going to do that well. the general public like snoop but they want his new single not some ancient ass album.

Quality of the product will always affect sales to some degree.  But I agree with your general statement that none of these releases will probably do big numbers.  I don't think the general public didn't buy it because they found it unsatisfactory.  I think that overall, the general public didn't even know this release existed (and probably still doesn't).

You're right as lack of promotion is a recipe for poor sales!

[Jimmy H.]

My prediction: 20,000 copies
If this release busts, why would this company continue to release albums and take a loss?  They aren't even making enough money to pay back the printing machines on Chronic Re-Lit.  They should just put the whole catalog online for digital 99 cent downloads if this release flops.

But how is 20,000 copies a bust? I doubt they're spending millions of dollars to master and press these things. This isn't like an active record label where they have to recoup artist expenses, music videos, concerts, and promotional appearances. As I said previously, they'd probably be losing more money by not captalizing on their inventory. They're gonna be perfectly alright regardless. They own the entire Death Row catalog! That means that any time that music from The Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez On Me, etc. is played on the radio, used in a movie, sampled by an artist, they will get paid. Even if the entire CD-buying community dissapears, the music itself will still be valuable. Look at it like this. The offices of Ruthless Records are still open and when was the last time they put out anything but Eazy or Bone Thugs vault material or repackaged catalog music?

[BIGWORM]

if it was a dual disc i would have copped it but fuck they didn't offer enough to get my hard earned money.

[love33]

My prediction: 20,000 copies
If this release busts, why would this company continue to release albums and take a loss?  They aren't even making enough money to pay back the printing machines on Chronic Re-Lit.  They should just put the whole catalog online for digital 99 cent downloads if this release flops.

But how is 20,000 copies a bust? I doubt they're spending millions of dollars to master and press these things. This isn't like an active record label where they have to recoup artist expenses, music videos, concerts, and promotional appearances. As I said previously, they'd probably be losing more money by not captalizing on their inventory. They're gonna be perfectly alright regardless. They own the entire Death Row catalog! That means that any time that music from The Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez On Me, etc. is played on the radio, used in a movie, sampled by an artist, they will get paid. Even if the entire CD-buying community dissapears, the music itself will still be valuable. Look at it like this. The offices of Ruthless Records are still open and when was the last time they put out anything but Eazy or Bone Thugs vault material or repackaged catalog music?

First off, they don't get paid by the radio stations to play old Death Row singles, when the radio plays the single, it benefits the record label so they send them singles and hope the radio will play it.  Next, they paid $18 million for this catalog.  So if they sell 20,000 of one of the top releases, the upcoming Snoop Vault album, that would mean 20k x 5 is $100,000.  Okay, now she said she is gonna pay artists.  Okay, so lets say Snoop gets $1 out of the $5 they make.  So she is left with 80k.  Now, is she going to pay guest artists too?  How about producers credited for the tracks?  If she decides she wants to play good politics and pay all them, then take more out of that 80k.  Lets just give her the benefit of the doubt and say she gets $80k profit off this release.  She is in debt $18 million for buying the catalog.  That 80k doesn’t even put a dent into what she paid to buy this catalog.

Now, Chronic Re-Lit and Snoop Vault if they both flop, you are left with a lot of material, but nothing that is going to grab people and sell.  Do you think a K9 album, Ray J, OFTB, old Crooked I, old Tha Realest albums, old Dogg Pound, Chocolate Bandit, Danny Boy, Mac Shawn, Top Dogg, Hammer, The Relativez, etc. is really going to do any better than Chronic or Snoop releases?  By the sales numbers, new fans do not care about “The Chronic” (I hate to say it) and old Death Row material.  At that profit pace, it’s going to take 225 releases to break even on the $18 million, and that’s ONLY if they all do 20,000 sales (Chronic Re-Lit did only 3000 units).  Now we see why she’s gotta reach out to these artist like Crooked I to promote their albums so it gives it more selling power in a market that has no demand for west coast rap.

I'm happy she's trying to package and release this stuff the right way, but this is a HUGE risk on her part and she could end up losing millions the way this thing is looking in the early stages -- especially if she is blocked by Dre releasing his material, Amaru takes half the profit on the Tupac material or they have creative differences and nothing gets released, and she wants to play nice and pay all these artists and producers money when she legally doesnt have to since she owns it outright.  This  is going to be a tough uphill climb in this digital era with all these music options for consumers and with this recession trying to push old death row tapes from the 90's.

[ruthless95rip]

Dr Dre need's to die so he can top MJ