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Quote from: JohnnyL on May 11, 2010, 11:21:11 AMQuote from: The drinks flow, people forget on May 11, 2010, 11:04:10 AMEazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics. I don't think Eazy ever intended to be a social reformer. I think sometimes his and N.W.A.s songs unintentionally achieved that end. But really, why does everything have to be productive or intelligent? Why not sometimes just entertaining?i think he was being sarcastic lol!
Quote from: The drinks flow, people forget on May 11, 2010, 11:04:10 AMEazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics. I don't think Eazy ever intended to be a social reformer. I think sometimes his and N.W.A.s songs unintentionally achieved that end. But really, why does everything have to be productive or intelligent? Why not sometimes just entertaining?
Eazy E did not have productive or intelligent lyrics.
No, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way?
Quote from: The drinks flow, people forget on May 11, 2010, 02:08:19 PMNo, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way? Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either. Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years. In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.
Quote from: JohnnyL on May 11, 2010, 02:21:18 PMQuote from: The drinks flow, people forget on May 11, 2010, 02:08:19 PMNo, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way? Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either. Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years. In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.dont try 2 play it off homie. u r right. Eazy E was tha 1st muthafucka to jump out there 2 tha masses like then (then followed up by Cube of course, but that was a year or alittle later). Eazy E did his thing. I think the notion about his lyrics has overshadowed the point. U can't praise praise Eazy 4 his lyrics like u could with Pac or whoever (Jay for another example) but what he did changed the game. It don't matter if he was a lyricist like a Ghostface Killah or not.
Quote from: JohnnyL on May 11, 2010, 02:21:18 PMQuote from: The drinks flow, people forget on May 11, 2010, 02:08:19 PMNo, I wasn't being sarcastic. Like you said, sometimes it can just be entertaining. Lets face it though, he was only entertaining to a certain extent. No outstanding lyrics, decent beats, mostly just talking about killing and gangsta shit. Sure, it might be fun for a while, but how much respect and recognition does one deserve for only fulfilling one lane and not even in a profound way? Well, on the lyric side I agree with you. It wasn't anything earth shattering. Although, I have to say the kind of stuff he was rapping about is taken for granted now because so many people make that kind of music. But back in the 1980s, there really weren't too many people rapping about the kind of stuff that Eazy-E and N.W.A. were rapping about. No, they weren't the first ones to do it, but I wouldn't say it was the norm at all, either. Beat wise, I'll admit that "Eazy-Duz-It" souds pretty dated now. But I think for the time, the beats were good. That was a young Dr. Dre. Rap, like all music is a constantly evolving art. I think Dre's sound has evolved with the times. In that respect, while I think Dre's new stuff sounds much better than his old stuff, I try to keep things in an historical context. Dre wasn't at the top of his game when "Eazy-Duz-It" was released, but also people's taste in music has changed a lot, over the years. In trying to keep things in perspective, let me try to explain my point a little better. When I say Eazy-E deserves his due credit, I'm not trying to say he was the sole contributor to rap or even gansta rap. Or that he was even the greatest contributor. What I mean is, his and N.W.A.'s music was an important step to where rap music is now. It wasn't the only step. There were many other important steps, and many contributors. But it was one of them.No one disagrees with that point. He gets plenty of credit as a pioneer. End thread?The OP asked why he didn't get as much love as 2Pac and Biggie, and I think we've established that its because of his lack of skill and content. MC Hammer was a pioneer as well, but no one seems to complain that he isn't considered one of the greats.
He he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold.
No one denies he's a pioneer. I still don't understand what respect he doesn't get.
Quote from: rapsodie sees the bitch in you on May 13, 2010, 03:44:12 PMNo one denies he's a pioneer. I still don't understand what respect he doesn't get. I can't speak for anyone else, but my reason for thinking he doesn't get enough respect is that he's hardly ever mentioned by people any more. It just seems like people have forgotten about him. I'm not expecting him to get his own postage stamp or have a holiday named after him, but once in a while someone other than Bone Thugs could give him a mention. As a fan, it would have been nice if Ruthless had put a little more effort into his posthumous releases as well. I realize he didn't have nearly the volume of unreleased work that 2pac or even Biggie had, but they could have done a little better than they did on that "Godfather of Gangsta Rap" e.p. I didn't think it was terrible, but it could have been a lot better.
Quote from: Sikotic on May 13, 2010, 10:56:37 AMHe he died doing some shit that he talked about in his songs, then he woulda got way more respect. Instead, he got AIDS and died of a cold."Gimmie That Nut""Automobile""Find 'Em Fuck 'Em and Flee""Lickin' Suckin' Fuckin'""Hit the Hooker"He did die from shit he talked about doing in his songs.