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Quote from: TDOT on February 04, 2011, 06:24:07 AMThis conversation has been had a thousand times before, but fuck it. Producing in hip-hop is NOT the same as producing in almost every other genre. People generally credit the beatmaker with the production credits, when in most other genres its the person who guided the artist/band through the album/song creation and assisted them in what to play and how to play it. Similar to a director in movies, but obviously not that major of a role. In hip hop, there can be producers, but a beatmaker is different. The beatmaker makes the beat, the producer does the above. Now on his past 2 albums, Dre did both, he made beats (with others) and acted as the producer on the album, which really is a big deal. NOW however, he acts as the producer, but NOT the beatmaker (not even additional production, just the mixer) on his past two DETOX singles. He still basically "made" the entire track and put it together without writing anything or making any beats. That's a producer.The Documentary - Dre as the executive producer = Dre overlooked and basically arranged Game's album, which is why it's a classic IMO. Same with GRODT, with Dre & Em. Sometimes, even in rap, the producer doesn't have to "executive produce" the whole album, but rather a single or multiple tracks. Example for that being "The Ocean" or "Soft Rhodes" on Game's last mixape.FYI when you can make the beat (and with the help of others, telling them what to play), mix the track, and arrange/produce the whole thing to your liking . . . that's a fuckin artist, and that's what Dre has been known for since the early 90's. The only thing missing on his half is the ability to write, although i'm sure he can write a decent verse, being around the rap game for near 30 years. And for that reason, my mind is blown away as to the decision to not have Dre production on the biggest rap album of all time - his own album.good post.as far as producing Kush & the other single is concerned: he had a hand in the making of these songs, but i think you can't say he played the role of the main producer.
This conversation has been had a thousand times before, but fuck it. Producing in hip-hop is NOT the same as producing in almost every other genre. People generally credit the beatmaker with the production credits, when in most other genres its the person who guided the artist/band through the album/song creation and assisted them in what to play and how to play it. Similar to a director in movies, but obviously not that major of a role. In hip hop, there can be producers, but a beatmaker is different. The beatmaker makes the beat, the producer does the above. Now on his past 2 albums, Dre did both, he made beats (with others) and acted as the producer on the album, which really is a big deal. NOW however, he acts as the producer, but NOT the beatmaker (not even additional production, just the mixer) on his past two DETOX singles. He still basically "made" the entire track and put it together without writing anything or making any beats. That's a producer.The Documentary - Dre as the executive producer = Dre overlooked and basically arranged Game's album, which is why it's a classic IMO. Same with GRODT, with Dre & Em. Sometimes, even in rap, the producer doesn't have to "executive produce" the whole album, but rather a single or multiple tracks. Example for that being "The Ocean" or "Soft Rhodes" on Game's last mixape.FYI when you can make the beat (and with the help of others, telling them what to play), mix the track, and arrange/produce the whole thing to your liking . . . that's a fuckin artist, and that's what Dre has been known for since the early 90's. The only thing missing on his half is the ability to write, although i'm sure he can write a decent verse, being around the rap game for near 30 years. And for that reason, my mind is blown away as to the decision to not have Dre production on the biggest rap album of all time - his own album.
its true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.
Quote from: So Much Style on February 04, 2011, 12:24:04 PMits true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.In other words, over-saturation. Honestly, if you ask me, Jimmy needs to fuck off for this one and let Dre do his thing. Now if it's Dre who's the problem here, and he ACTUALLY agrees with all the shit thats going on, then I don't see a bright future for the whole Aftermath/Interscope powerhouse (NOT in terms of sales! They will always run the soundscan/BDS).
not that amusing.
Quote from: Matty on February 04, 2011, 11:13:28 AMnot that amusing.Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on February 04, 2011, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Matty on February 04, 2011, 11:13:28 AMnot that amusing.Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please
Quote from: Matty on February 04, 2011, 12:59:13 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on February 04, 2011, 12:53:10 PMQuote from: Matty on February 04, 2011, 11:13:28 AMnot that amusing.Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
Quote from: QuietTruth on February 02, 2011, 08:01:30 PMHow bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.Ahhhhh, Westside Story did not sell that album, my friend. That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do". Great song. However, in 2011 I don't know how that would work out.But while we're on the subject of Game, he seems to be leaning towards that "My single will be a sellout single too" phase.
How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
chris rock said it best..."what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"these guys are waiting for a song that will take them back to the days when they first started getting laid and partying...like as soon as the dre record comes on your whole life style is gonna change up or something and glory days from highschool will be reinstated....sorry uncle rico, it dont work like that. i promise you these ppl hating on kush have never even seen the reaction it gets in the club and probably havent heard it on anything but computer speakers...it may not be "let me ride" but that fucking song bangs and it was very well put together...the beat the hook and all that shit. was i disappointed by it? a little...did it grow on me? alot./tha voice of reason has spoken.
if ppl had to pick,,25 Dre-tracks from the DeathRow-vault or a 10-track Detox album?
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