Lets be real about 2pac for a minute

[Sikotic™]

LOL @ Tom being a "newcomer"

If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.

so this is why they call you infant, you get emotional and can´t discuss the topic at hand but start stomping your e-feet and crying  . and stop talking about mommas couch since you´re the one who´s a spoiled little brat worshipping west coast rappers and keeping them as your role models .


this thread is good in exposing these wiggers who worship their lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur and still refuse to believe he was a normal human being doing a lot of dumb shit.

LMAO. Spot on. It's sad shit if you put any rapper on a pedestal and make him a role model. It's acceptable at a certain age I guess (teenage years), but as you get older you gotta change that up.

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad.  But dispute my main point.  Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years.  Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND

The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....

-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying.  He could of been telling the truth about everything.

-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged!  Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry. 

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns.  And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete.  But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness.  I feel sorry for you.  That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.

[Sccit]

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash

lmao

[Sir Petey]

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash

lmao

[TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96']

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash

lmao

Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you.  While others have some limits.  This is the only thing you have going for you.  You do know that, right?

[Your favorite posters favorite poster]

Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad.  But dispute my main point.  Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years.  Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND

The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....

-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying.  He could of been telling the truth about everything.

-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged!  Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry. 

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns.  And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete.  But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness.  I feel sorry for you.  That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.

Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money.  Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business.  Go look it up.

Second, how is Big fake ?  Because pac told you he was, the same Pac that when he lined up with Suge became a fucking puppet ?  That pac ?  And spare me the whole west coast on top where he belongs bull shit.  No coast deserves to be on top.  Whoever puts out the best music deserves to be on top and last time I check, during that era everyone and their mother was putting out amazing music regardless of coast.  And pac was running shit alone in 96.  A lot of rappers were from Pac to Big to Wu.  And let's not forget the sales increase of AEOM after he passed away.  I won't deny Pac was at the top of the mountain in 96 but he wasn't alone.

And your last point maybe I'll address everything in deatil when I get home from work, its a bitch to reply by phone but its so incredibly pathetic that defending a man you have never met solicits this type of response from you.  That fact that you can't even look at the potentials consquences of your hero's actions is sad as fuck you truly need help if you truly view 2pac in this light.  The fact you got so defensive and personal because I attacked 2pac isn't normal behavior for a 30 year old man with a child

[LAC/EASTSIDE]

Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.

Apparently as dumb as you:

You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment.  It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.

Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.

Shut your ass up you stank ho! Fucking drama queen. You never make sense.

[Sir Petey]

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash

lmao

Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you.  While others have some limits.  This is the only thing you have going for you.  You do know that, right?

[3rd Coast]

Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad.  But dispute my main point.  Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years.  Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND

The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....

-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying.  He could of been telling the truth about everything.

-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged!  Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry. 

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns.  And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete.  But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness.  I feel sorry for you.  That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.

Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money.  Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business.  Go look it up.

Second, how is Big fake ?  Because pac told you he was, the same Pac that when he lined up with Suge became a fucking puppet ?  That pac ?  And spare me the whole west coast on top where he belongs bull shit.  No coast deserves to be on top.  Whoever puts out the best music deserves to be on top and last time I check, during that era everyone and their mother was putting out amazing music regardless of coast.  And pac was running shit alone in 96.  A lot of rappers were from Pac to Big to Wu.  And let's not forget the sales increase of AEOM after he passed away.  I won't deny Pac was at the top of the mountain in 96 but he wasn't alone.

And your last point maybe I'll address everything in deatil when I get home from work, its a bitch to reply by phone but its so incredibly pathetic that defending a man you have never met solicits this type of response from you.  That fact that you can't even look at the potentials consquences of your hero's actions is sad as fuck you truly need help if you truly view 2pac in this light.  The fact you got so defensive and personal because I attacked 2pac isn't normal behavior for a 30 year old man with a child

yep...biggie was far from fake...

biggie is the same dude that tried to tell pac...not fuck with jimmy,tut, and jack...because they were shiesty... even mike tyson told him..

 both times pac got shot..he was outta pocket with street niggas...he had no business fuckin with...that he was warned of..

but pac was broke at the time..his greed got the best of em...

niggas he barely knew got em in that rape case

niggas that he barely knew got em shot 94 n 96..

he was already in a studio when lil shawn's potna called for him to come ...pac shoulda told em to come where he was...but 7000 look good to a nigga who aint got shit...n since andre puffy n nem was in the studio...dude who called used andre's name as bait to assure he was gone get paid...dude prolly didnt even have 7000 to give pac..

pac got shot in 94 kuz he was hungry....

96 he wanted to prove himself as a ryder..

had he lived in 96...

he woulda blamed frank, the outlaws and fatal...since he was the only outlaw not present..hell prolly blamed bmw

pac never blamed the people that got in his ear ...but he blamed the faces that he figured would have his back...when those faces tried tellin em..

[Sikotic™]

-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically.  You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash

lmao

Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you.  While others have some limits.  This is the only thing you have going for you.  You do know that, right?

LOL

[Sikotic™]

Pac was a hero

It's sad shit if you put any rapper on a pedestal and make him a role model. It's acceptable at a certain age I guess (teenage years), but as you get older you gotta change that up.

[JMan]

this thread should have come with a free



for all the feelings getting caught, 

[Triple OG Rapsodie]

Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.

Apparently as dumb as you:

You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment.  It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.

Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.

Shut your ass up you stank ho! Fucking drama queen. You never make sense.

Stop crying. If you can write paragraphs talking about how Pac was your hero and a good guy then we can point out his many faults and fuckups. You're mad and I've exposed you.

[Sir Petey]

no doubt...dude is mad as fuck.

[Jimmy H.]

Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years.  Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND

I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.

Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"?

Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money.  Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business.  Go look it up.

That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.