Lets be real about 2pac for a minute

[Enopak Laer]

Kill it. Your a moderate and you C the shit bein said in this thread and you busy laughin instead of shuttin it down? We all need to get the fuck outta here along with this thread

[Invincible]

Kill it. Your a moderate and you C the shit bein said in this thread and you busy laughin instead of shuttin it down? We all need to get the fuck outta here along with this thread

There is nothing I can do about this thread. I don't moderate this section. Seriously, what is being said in this thread that is so offensive? I've just read the whole thread in hysterics and found nothing to warrant this thread being locked. Like someone said in the thread earlier, just because he was a great artist (I think he is seriously overrated) that does not cover up the fact that at times he was an absolute fucking idiot.

[SGT x Tok3R]

i ain't even read this thread but i know its all the super nerds in here hating like chamillitary its funny you speak on pac real nigga like pac in such a deragatory manner but you're a nerdy honky who probably get scared of a black mans shadow lol go back to joe budden tv or bieber.com you fucking nerd

[Enopak Laer]

You don't gotta worry bout my ethnicity as it has nothin to do with this topic but I assure you, I'm as black as my ancestors who were brought to America against there will to be raped, killed and exploited. You call me a Pac nerd but if you actually read what I posted instead of takin offense to the last sentence I typed you would know I'm not. I ain't mad that you Caint do nothin in this situation but report this tread to someone who can. And if you Caint C what's wrong with this thread "brotha", the fact that  my ethnicity and social status are being questioned because my opinion differs speaks for itself in volumes. Nuff said, if you don't have an intelligent response or your someone who CAN shut down this thread, please don't speak to me as you will be ignored

[Sir Petey]

[OG Hack Wilson]

Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about.  Why can't you argue the point at hand.  Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy.  You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child.  You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker.  It just shows your level of maturity.

And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ?  The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.

So you are an armchair father now too?   So you are an armchair rapper and an armchair father?   You could live out your whole life vicariously from the seat of your cum-stained couch.

LOL. You claim to have some sort of secret knowledge on 2Pac that no one can understand. You are the ulimate armchair rapper.

lol


2pac didn't make his own culture lmao   it takes more than 1 person to create a culture

[Invincible]

You don't worry bout my ethnicity as it has nothin to do with this topic but I assure you, I'm as black as my ancestors who were brought to America against there will to be raped, killed and exploited. You call me a Pac nerd but if you actually read what I posted instead of takin offense to the last sentence I typed you would know I'm not. I ain't mad that you Caint do nothin in this situation but report this tread to someone who can. And if you Caint C what's wrong with this thread "brotha", the fact that you questioned my ethnicity and social status because my opinion differs speaks volumes. Nuff said, if you don't have an intelligent response or your someone who CAN shut down this thread, please don't speak to me as you will be ignored

Where did I call you a Pac nerd? Now that you say it. Also where did I question your ethnicity? What does your ethnicity have to do with anything in this thread?

[Enopak Laer]

No mayne, I ain't sayin you, the guys after you are a prime example of why the thread should B shut down. The same questions your askin me is what I ask myself while readin their posts

[Sir Petey]

thats your opinion just like the thread starter had an opinion to offer...the great thing is that opinions are like assholes everybody has one and the best part of it is it costs you nothing to pay no mind to the opinions you disagree with.

its one thing to openly disagree with the OP  and debate his point but to try and make a power play about getting the thread shut down is a pussy move.

[Your favorite posters favorite poster]

@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....

I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation? I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place. Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and  with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil. If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular. With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!

I also said Pac was one of my favorites.  And when did Nas and Big destroy a genre of music or orphan children ?  And next time, spare me your essay and just get to the damn point

[Enopak Laer]

thats your opinion just like the thread starter had an opinion to offer...the great thing is that opinions are like assholes everybody has one and the best part of it is it costs you nothing to pay no mind to the opinions you disagree with.

its one thing to openly disagree with the OP  and debate his point but to try and make a power play about getting the thread shut down is a pussy move.

I agree with part of what you said, everyone has opinions and everyones opinions are open to debate but I disagree with being called a wigger, honky, pussy, ETC. I also disagree with callin someone else slanderous shit like that because their opinion differs, that is my issue. Everything in this thread has became personal which we can all agree is wrong. Call it a power play if you must, call me what wvr names you will but you CANNOT disagree with the fact that this has became somethin that has nothin to do with Pac. Additionaly, if you followed your own advice, you wouldn't B Tryna get in my face or post semi pornographical cartoon pictures or Donald Duck in attempts to degrade me

[Enopak Laer]

@Prodigal Son

My friend, I did read your post and I DID notice you said Pac is ONE of your favorites but regardless if he's one or your "favorites" that gives you no right to judge. Pac did not shoot or kill Biggie so how did he orphan kids? And what about Nas and BIG sellin drugs to mothers and helpin create a whole generation of crack babies? My argument isn't that Pac is perfect, it's that no one is. Finally, I can say the same to you, Cus if I remember your first post was an essay as well. Balls back in your court G

[Enopak Laer]

This is supposed to be a fair debate, a battle of opinions but y'all have successfully alienated anyone and everyone who's opinions are different than your own, and not with reason, logic or evidence but rather through name calling and slander. Some of you joined this thread arguing for Pac and then let all the illogical bullshit silence your true opinion and you jumped on the bandwagon. This is no debate, this is no thread, this is a witch hunt

[Sir Petey]

i know whos alias you are...game over honkey.

[OG Jaydc]

Lol and who is it?