Which Death Row signing you think was the one that made Dre leave?

[MOON KNIGHT]

Its 2011 for fuck sake. And you muthafuckas are still talking about shit in the 90's thats completely irrelevant

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The Blastmaster Krs-One

[HighEyeCue]

I'd say it wasn't any one act Suge signed that caused it, but a combination of acts and Suge's antics, because the whole label was based on Dre scouting the talent and Suge managing the background stuff. When Suge started acting like an attention seeking dick and signing his own acts without consulting the head of the musical output (Dre), that was obviously going to piss Dre off...

and let's be honest, apart from 2Pac Suge didn't really find anyone on anywhere near the level of Dre's finding (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Rage, RBX, Nate, Jewell, Sam Sneed).

Suge ruined Death Row himself.

real talk

[sms130]

I'd say it wasn't any one act Suge signed that caused it, but a combination of acts and Suge's antics, because the whole label was based on Dre scouting the talent and Suge managing the background stuff. When Suge started acting like an attention seeking dick and signing his own acts without consulting the head of the musical output (Dre), that was obviously going to piss Dre off...

and let's be honest, apart from 2Pac Suge didn't really find anyone on anywhere near the level of Dre's finding (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Rage, RBX, Nate, Jewell, Sam Sneed).

Suge ruined Death Row himself.

I think that was part of what sparked the whole thing between Dre and Suge. I truly believe that Dre's departure from Death Row was due to several other issues along with the issue of Suge signing artist without consulting with Dre. At that time, Suge was simply taking over the company more and more. I think Dre got tired of that along with the fact that too much non-sense was going on like those beatdowns. I don't think 2Pac getting signed to the label was the issue. Dre was cool with 2Pac before he was even signed to Death Row. So, I don't think that was the problem. You also have to look at where Dre wanted to take Death Row as a company and where he wanted to go with Death Row on the music side also. Suge brought the Above The Rim project to the table. Dre contributed little to that project. That was Suge's project. Suge brought damn near brought the second half of that Murder Was The Case soundtrack. The first part was Dr. Dre's part of it, if you really wanna look at it. Dre contributed to all of those tracks on the first half of that soundtrack, up to "Who Got Some Gangsta Shit" and he was featured on Sam's track. Dre mixed Dogg Food and was originally part of the production on that album, to some degree his production was still on there despite it all. I think Dre's direction was different from Suge's as far as the company is concern.

[Smackdog]

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[V2DHeart]

2Pac was the issue...

Dre as much as he respected his work ability in the studio, didn't really like the idea of someone with as much issues and drama as 2Pac coming on board to a label that he was already trying to tolerate as it was.

remember 2Pac was just released from prison after serving a term for sexual assualt, already on the news for violence, had political figures speak up against him, had been shot, and had a huge hatred for Bad Boy, ready to be unleashed on whatever label would have him. Interscope wern't wanting him, or pretty much any record labe. He was a liability for anyone. You'd sign him, and end up having to bail him out, spent tens of thousands at a time on legal fee's, and have more waiting on the mountain of people ready to sue that hot head. It was all Suge desperate as he had been for years prior to 95 to get him on Death Row, no one else. At the time (95) 2Pac was the devil everywhere. Worse than Chris Brown ever was after the Rihanna situation, so when MTV and other places announced the news that 2Pac was now on Death Row, it just made Death Row look like a house for all the devils and bad guys.

Dre helped him out more than any other artist. 2-3 songs, 2 music videos, a lot of promo for the All Eyez on me album on MTV together, and other venues. He did a lot more than the previous year. But 2Pac was a ticking time bomb. He created the Hit 'Em Up track, and expected everyone on the label just to lay down and hate/diss whoever he didn't like, and took control of the studio, ordering people around, acting like head producer himself. & look what happened months later. He was shot dead due to beating on a crip gang member. I think Dre made the right choice

[2euce 7even]

Makaveli Shook That Bitch Ass Fruity As Alizé Punk´s Ass Of Death Row

[West$ide Boi]

I'd say it wasn't any one act Suge signed that caused it, but a combination of acts and Suge's antics, because the whole label was based on Dre scouting the talent and Suge managing the background stuff. When Suge started acting like an attention seeking dick and signing his own acts without consulting the head of the musical output (Dre), that was obviously going to piss Dre off...

and let's be honest, apart from 2Pac Suge didn't really find anyone on anywhere near the level of Dre's finding (Snoop, Daz, Kurupt, Rage, RBX, Nate, Jewell, Sam Sneed).

Suge ruined Death Row himself.

real talk

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[THEREALDONMACKHXA]

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[Quadruple OG]

It was 2pac that made Dre leave. Once he got signed it was a wrap. They brung Hammer on board to be able to sell out big venues....which I thought was a smart move..and Hammer and Suge had been cool for years

Wrong. They brought Hammer on for PR reasons. This was after Time Warner dropped Interscope and you had Delores Tucker and Bob Dole trying to censor gangsta rap. Hammer was not selling any major venue out in 1996.

The event that convinced Dre to leave the label was seeing an engineer get beat down for rewinding a track too far. That was a bigger reason than any of the newer cats Suge was signing that were blood affiliated (RedRum781, OFTB, Young Soldierz, etc.) begging Dre for tracks. Keep in mind by 95-96 Dre wasn't using their studio anymore since he had one at his place.

[Deuce-Deuce]

I think Daz musta had a small part aswell, prob not tryna to make Dre leave but sparking the whole credit stealing thing was one of the reasons.
Also 2pac said in an interview that "other niggas was producin shit and Dre was takin credit", and producer Laylaw said that he produced Cali Love remix and Dre took credit and when Laylaw told 2pac this 2pac said that he (2pac) was leaving Deathrow anyway.  

What im sayin is if 2pac was thinkin about leaving Deathrow whilst Dre was still there, why was he (2pac) so bothered if Dre was doin whatever. What if 2pac DID leave when Dre was still there. Dre might have not left after that. Makes you wonder

[Deuce-Deuce]

It was 2pac that made Dre leave. Once he got signed it was a wrap. They brung Hammer on board to be able to sell out big venues....which I thought was a smart move..and Hammer and Suge had been cool for years

Sell out big venues? Lol, and Dre, Snoop and Pac couldn't?

[Smackdog]

Hammer had mainstream appeal cause he wasnt into smoking weed and talking about bitches....so he could sell out a bigger venue than some hoodrats like snoop and dre.

[V2DHeart]

Back then, it wasn't like how it is now. Now you can get Game going all over Europe, Eminem selling out football arena's, but back then (even for the top players in Hip Hop), if it wern't award shows, MTV's summer party, or some other shared setting, then it was their own little halls with a few hundred- 1000 for the most part, and typically region spesific for West Coast artists on top of their game. I guess MC Hammer had more pop appeal, and a name that could go through out the US

[Quadruple OG]

Back then, it wasn't like how it is now. Now you can get Game going all over Europe, Eminem selling out football arena's, but back then (even for the top players in Hip Hop), if it wern't award shows, MTV's summer party, or some other shared setting, then it was their own little halls with a few hundred- 1000 for the most part, and typically region spesific for West Coast artists on top of their game. I guess MC Hammer had more pop appeal, and a name that could go through out the US

Hammer was nowhere close to selling out arenas at that time. He was looked at like a joke going back to '94 because he changed up his whole image from Pop Rapper to Gangsta rapper to try to sell records. Nobody was fooled and by this time, he was bankrupt. He was a tax write off for Suge because of his work with charities.

[V2DHeart]

I don't think that it was, but I don't/can't disagree with you. MC Hammer was clearly a novelty act for the label, and his bankruptcy situation would work for Suge, but at the same time, they had a huge pop rap act on their roster with his contacts, and good relationships in the business.. They were planning on getting Run DMC on board for the Death Row East thing they had. It was because of MC Hammer, and him inviting them down to Vegas to meet Suge, unfortunately 2Pac had been shot, so I guess that kinda blew that idea out.

Say what you want about Hammer's image, but I bet you he could have layed out a lot of people on Tha Row that stepped out of line