2012 Superbowl Thread.

[OG Jaydc]

Who's to say manning is even the same player when he comes back? And let's be real, manning takes every single snap in practice and warm ups,he demands it. That's documented. It's not a coincidence that the colts have never been able to produce a viable back up.If I was developing a young qb I wouldn't want manning(or Brett Favre) anywhere near my team.A team like Seattle manning would fit because they aren't developing anybody, same with the redskins.

[TheRemedy360Ressurection]

I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.

True.

1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.

Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.

[BabyBird]

good call on manning being re-leased

[Shallow]

I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.

True.

1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.

Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.

If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.

To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.

[Lunatic]

Titans wouldn't grab Manning, they won't want him near Locker

Redskins or Seahawks make sense for sure

[Shallow]

Titans wouldn't grab Manning, they won't want him near Locker

Redskins or Seahawks make sense for sure

Like I said, if you don't want him for 20 mil a year, or even more than 10, that's one thing, but if Peyton Manning came to your day and said I'll play for whatever you can pay me and will compete in your system for a job there's no way in hell they say no. There's a Jake Locker at the end of every 2nd round draft that can be grabbed. Because Peyton Manning on the Argonauts have a better shot at winning the AFC South than the Titans would with Locker.

Now this scenario will never happen because there will be at least 3 teams offering the bank to Peyton, if he's healthy.

[Chamillitary Click]

I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.

True.

1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.

Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.

If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.

To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.

That's different. You can only have one starting QB. In the NBA, you can just throw Larry on the court.

Matt Ryan is an established, Pro Bowl NFL QB. They wouldn't do him dirty like that.

[Shallow]

I just know my team and I'm sure they're happy with Hasselbeck & Locker, 2 buddies as well lol. Honestly, Hasselbeck is probably a better mentor for Locker.

True.

1. I feel mentally, you'd learn more from a friend who knew he was talking about rather than somebody who was brought in to tell you how to do it because he's that good.
2. Not everyone is Peyton Manning. Whose to say Locker could run the Titans the way Manning ran the Colts? Shallow always says how he's gifted like no human being to ever be spawned into the sporting industry. You can't teach ability.
3. This is insane, he isn't going to the Titans.

Yeah, I wouldn't want Manning on the Hawks if we were developing a young QB (Locker), but all we have is undrafted Josh Portis and Tavaris Jackson who by all accounts has already hit his ceiling. If he can still play I'd love to have him here.

If Manning is healthy and can play I don't care who is being developed, depending on the cap space. Even teams with established starters like Matt Ryan, or Cutler, or teams that just signed #1 picks like Bradford or Stafford. Jake Locker may be the future of the Titans but Peyton Manning can take a 2-14 team to the playoffs ten times. You have a legit shot at 3 rings in 3 years. Good luck trying to get a legit shot at 3 rings in 20 years with Locker.

To me this is like Larry Bird being cut by the Celtics after his 88/89 injury, and somehow there is a team in the league that doesn't want him. You think the Pistons beat the Bulls in 7 the next year if you added Larry to the mix? Larry only played 3 years after that injury, but if he was signed by the Lakers that very first Bulls 3-peat may not have happened.

That's different. You can only have one starting QB. In the NBA, you can just throw Larry on the court.

Matt Ryan is an established, Pro Bowl NFL QB. They wouldn't do him dirty like that.

Doing him dirty like that would be scrapping your whole offense and cutting Ryan, but bringing Peyton in to compete with Ryan is a whole different thing. If Peyton really is as good as I say he is he'll just walk in there and during the offseason practice with the 2nd team and earn his starting spot. There's nothing wasteful or foolish about that. If Peyton can play better in the same system then you play him, if he can't then you don't. If they both play the same then you keep the guy that will last longer.

Peyton can go to any team in the NFL he wants if he is going to do it that way. Now this isn't going to happen. But he could go to NE or GB if he wants to risk sitting on the bench. It'll really show good Brady or Brees at handling pressure if there's a guy ready to takeover on the bench. McCarthy cutting Favre was different because McCarthy saw Favre as a distraction with his mouth. Had Favre never teased retirement he could have stayed in GB until the injuries got him, and in the end McCarthy thought they could do as well or better with Rodgers but having Bret on the bench would be too emotional for GB fans and a real controversy would start with every bad throw.

No one in Boston is going to call for Brady's head after a couple of bad throws and for Manning to take that job from Brady he'd have to be that much better in that system. But if Peyton really wanted to, he could sit down with Bill and say I'd like to come in as your back up and compete for the starting job, Bill would take, if there was no cap space to worry about.

Bias aside, from a business stand point you could trade Brady after this season to a team like Washington for all 6 draft picks this year a and a couple next year, and Locker may not be the best guy to learn under Peyton, but Mallot would be. And you'd have a better shot at a ring next year.

[Chamillitary Click]

^Yeah, but why would New England, Green Bay or Atlanta pay him 20+ million to sit on the bench or start him over their 20+ million dollar QB?

[Shallow]

^Yeah, but why would New England, Green Bay or Atlanta pay him 20+ million to sit on the bench or start him over their 20+ million dollar QB?

Not for 20 mil. I mean if he came in for the same salary that they would pay any other back up, just to prove a point that he could win any starting job in the NFL. Only 3 or 4 teams are going to offer him the kind of cash he was getting in Indy. 20 mil a year and scrapping your current QB isn't worth the possibility of an SB in the next 3 years and then spend 3 or 4 rebuilding completely after that.

Except maybe Buffalo; the 20 mil would be paid back by the added ticket sales, especially later in te yerar where most of their home games get blacked out for not selling out the stadium. Or Jacksonville I guess.

[Chamillitary Click]

^Oh, just that he could start anywhere? Well, yeah. Obviously. But the Panthers aren't going to bench 22 year old Cam Newton for 30-something year old, 15 years in the league, Peyton Manning just because for two season he would be a better QB than Cam. Then in two seasons be like "Cam, we want you to start again..".

[OG Jaydc]

^Oh, just that he could start anywhere? Well, yeah. Obviously. But the Panthers aren't going to bench 22 year old Cam Newton for 30-something year old, 15 years in the league, Peyton Manning just because for two season he would be a better QB than Cam. Then in two seasons be like "Cam, we want you to start again..".

Exactly, despite what shallow thinks not every team in the league wants Peyton manning and many, I'd wager at least half the league would flat out refuse him. He's 36 years old, coming off a year of missed football and three surgeries. No sane person benches franchise qbs for a rental player at the end of his career.

[Lunatic]

He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle

[OG Jaydc]

He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle

Yep, and even so nothing is garaunteed in football. Look at the packers this season or the pats in 2007 or countless other examples. No matter how many times shallow you write  Peyton with (insert team here) would have rings! It doesn't make it true, any team can lose any game. Like I've said all your arguments are conjecture with no basis in reality. It's like reading a nerd playing dungeons and dragons.

[Shallow]

He has to go to a team with no young franchise QB like Washington or Seattle

Yep, and even so nothing is garaunteed in football. Look at the packers this season or the pats in 2007 or countless other examples. No matter how many times shallow you write  Peyton with (insert team here) would have rings! It doesn't make it true, any team can lose any game. Like I've said all your arguments are conjecture with no basis in reality. It's like reading a nerd playing dungeons and dragons.

You're right, there is no garaunteed rings in the NFL, or any sport. Mike Tyson beats James Buster Douglas 99 out of 100 times, but the world got to see that 1 out of 100, and no one thought was going to happen.

There are plenty of examples of one thing going the other way in a game and entire histories change. If in 01 Brady's fumble remains a fumble, or if he stayed injured after the AFC Title game and the Pats won anyway. Would it have been Brady instead of Bledsoe being traded to Buffalo?

If Eli escaping the pass rush gets called an "in the clutches" sack and they don't convert on 4th and 15 then NE gets to be called 19-0. But if Rex didn't call the time out in week 13 or 14 then they would have lost against Baltimore, but may very have won the SB because of that loss. Who knows?

If Nick Harper takes Jerome Betti's fumble to the outside and score and the Colts go on to beat the Broncos and Seahawks, do they win the next year too? Maybe not.

If Dwight Clark misses that catch and the next year the 9ers do the same 3-6 or worse in the shortened season do they draft a QB (Elway, Marino, or Kelly) to replace Montana? Very probable.


If Peyton Manning goes to the Jets next year does that guarantee a ring? No, but my theory is that he'd have 3 or 4 right now if he was on a team that was great with out him, and I'd like to see how my theory stands up. He has to win at least 1 ring in the next three years for my theory to still stand, 2 or 3 would prove outright. I mean if hypothetically he goes to the Ravens and they 3-peat then there is no question in my they would have won at least 2 or 3 in the last 10 years with Manning.