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To be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.
Quote from: Sikunta Kinte on November 05, 2012, 05:47:14 PMTo be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.false.
Quote from: OG Classic Material on November 06, 2012, 02:57:00 PMQuote from: Sikunta Kinte on November 05, 2012, 05:47:14 PMTo be fair, it seems like producers have exhausted everything you can do. There's really nothing new or innovative for the last 5-10 years.false.Opinions can't be true or false.
not agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)
i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.
There are some, no doubt. But compared to 10 years ago, there's not as many people that can put it down in the lab in my opinion.
Quote from: shoo on November 08, 2012, 07:58:23 AM i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.Do u really know what a chord is ? most rap songs dont use 3 chords in its structure , one or 2 is the most frequent .. most rap songs are based on a catchy and repetitive melody so just 1 chord ... and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...
Quote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 08:46:20 AMQuote from: shoo on November 08, 2012, 07:58:23 AM i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.Do u really know what a chord is ? most rap songs dont use 3 chords in its structure , one or 2 is the most frequent .. most rap songs are based on a catchy and repetitive melody so just 1 chord ... and what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...yep.. chord is a consonance of at least three notes but when you play these three notes together at the same time they won't make a melody (you'll need another chord to make a melody). ... anyway, i know you're trying to bring me down with terminology - typical move for people who don't get the point. i will try with simple words, without using 'chords' 'octaves' or 'notes' so you can get the point this time:simple melodies often make better songs... got it, smartass?Quote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 08:46:20 AMand what you said about moody or beautiful beats is completly subjective, you dont even mention harmony ...the whole topic is about subjective thing
Quote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 AMnot agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...
Quote from: shoo on November 08, 2012, 07:58:23 AMQuote from: b.laden on November 08, 2012, 03:14:29 AMnot agree ...i think nowaydays 95% rappers suck , not the producers ..back in the day , just a george clinton sample could make a dope production tupac, nas .. or anther great rapper could make a good song with a simple beat or no beats at allmany hip hop classics have very simple beats (illmatic, 36 chambers, NWA and pac albums ..)less is more - have you ever heard that sentence?Most of the music classics (not only rap but popular music in general) are simple as fuck but got the vibe, the tension... simply something that make you move your head/legs/body. Nowadays producers take complexity over substance... i mean three chords put well together can make a great song but they forgot about it... they try to prove they're better than others so hard..i guess that's what pushing them to make such beats - complex but without soul at all.PS. Vinnie Paz - Cheesesteaks is the beat of the year imo. Simple but powerful. Great mood, great vibe... there are good beats in 2012... but not to many...PS2. Nas, Wu Tang etc. would never achieve what they did without the beats they were rapping to. These simple, grimey beats made perfect mood to their lyrics... You can't get 100% power of the lyrics without the moody beat. It's like watching the movie with no soundtrack on it...I completely disagree. Pete Rock produced T.R.O.Y. which is arguably one of the best hip hop instrumental ever. This beat is complex as fuck. It's really hard to blend together different samples to make it glue like that together and create a vibe, a sound.