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Quote from: NIKCC on August 06, 2013, 01:16:39 AMLMAO... No, nick young and jj redick were brought in for their scoring, not their shooting. Nick young has better handles, can finish at the rim, create his own shot. Just a better overall scorer, which is why he's averaged 17+ ppg with the wizards. jj redick is a better facilitator, I'll give him that, but nick young is the much better overall player. And the reason I say Wes>Dudley is not only cuz his ceiling is much higher, but also cuz they both played for the Suns last year, and while the familiar dudley got the playing time to start the season, Wes Johnson eventually beat him for the startin spot and ended the season a lot stronger than Dudley. Oneal=kaman is the only thing laughable. Oneal will be lucky to play 40 games this year with the health he's in. Kaman is a qualified starter, jermaine has been a 2nd/3rd string bench player for 5+ years ... Come on brobro.. Ur talkin about a jermaine Oneal who's around averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes for years now lol whoisthis The scoring provided by Redick is a secondary issue for the Clippers. They have BG and CP3 who are their primary scorers. Redick (and Dudley) were brought in strictly for spacing since they're knock down shooters. He's replacing Chauncey/Willie Green in the starting Line up. Young's scoring, again, is more secondary for the Lakers. They have Kobe, Pau and Nash. Young is there to hit the open shot. He's essentially replacing Ron Artest's poor decision making with better shooting ability, just absolutely no defense. Remember when he scored those 17PPG, it was on a terrible Wizards team and John Wall & Andray Blatche both scored in the mid-to-high teens as well. Point being, scoring well on a team with no identity who is horrible, is not the situation he'll be in here. For a better example of who the Lakers will be getting, look at what Nick Young did as a Clipper in that second half 11-12 season. About 10 points. 35% from 3. He will not have enough possessions to put up almost 15 shots a night and he's not a efficient enough shooter to score 17+ without them. Hence, Redick > Young.Dudley fell out of favor with Lindsey Hunter more than Wes Johnson beat him out. Hunter rode more of the younger players in the 2nd half of the season. As for their ceilings... Wes Johnson hasn't shown that he can get off the floor. Dudley has been a consistent player throughout his career. He was brought in for Defense, Shooting and Consistency. He fits those bills. That's why Dudley > Johnson.You do realize that Kaman is often injured himself, right? And, when you consider the roles each are needed to play, it's much more important for Kaman to stay healthy, which he has a hard time doing. As far as numbers go. JO had 2 rough seasons in Boston due to injuries, which is why he put up the numbers he did. But, last season, he put up 8 and 5 off the bench in under 20 minutes a night while playing in about as many games last season as he had the 2 previous seasons combined. That's comparable to the 10 and 5 Kaman put up as a starter in slightly over 20. Again, I'll give you that overall, Kaman is a better Offensive talent. Defensively, you'll get more out of O'Neal. There's no real winner between those 2.
LMAO... No, nick young and jj redick were brought in for their scoring, not their shooting. Nick young has better handles, can finish at the rim, create his own shot. Just a better overall scorer, which is why he's averaged 17+ ppg with the wizards. jj redick is a better facilitator, I'll give him that, but nick young is the much better overall player. And the reason I say Wes>Dudley is not only cuz his ceiling is much higher, but also cuz they both played for the Suns last year, and while the familiar dudley got the playing time to start the season, Wes Johnson eventually beat him for the startin spot and ended the season a lot stronger than Dudley. Oneal=kaman is the only thing laughable. Oneal will be lucky to play 40 games this year with the health he's in. Kaman is a qualified starter, jermaine has been a 2nd/3rd string bench player for 5+ years ... Come on brobro.. Ur talkin about a jermaine Oneal who's around averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes for years now lol whoisthis
I'm gonna have to call Turbo the way you keep on dancing, mayn. The Lakers were out of wack last year thanks to D'Antoni not having a clue how to put things together and lack of consistent shooting. Now the floor is more stretched like he would like. Young's shooting is what's needed, not so much his play making. So because it's shooting they need, Redick > Young. Overall, Redick is the better shooter and a much smarter player. These guys are role players. Consistency is much more important.I'm gonna have to call you Ray Charles if you keep talking about numbers like 9/3/2 on 39/35/69 or 6/3/1 on 39/31/70 or 8/2/1 on 40/32/77 is 1 Not Scrub numbers and 2 better than6/4/1 on 46/22/735/3/1 on 47/39/678/3/1 on 45/45/78Per 36, their numbers scoring was about the same, but Dudley was a MUCH better shooter from all around, save for his 1st season when he only put up 41 3's. Convo's over on these 2 based on those comments alone.I don't care if Kaman's All-Star appearance was 3 years ago. He's nowhere near that same player. The simple fact remains that O'Neal's D makes up for any lack of Offense. And Kaman's offense makes up for any lack on D. Equal.
Twisting eh? Again, I give you facts, you dismiss them. That's fine. It's your M.O. Dudley 2009-10 24 PHO NBA SF 82 1 24.3 2.7 6.0 .459 1.5 3.2 .458 1.3 1.7 .754 1.2 2.2 3.4 1.4 1.0 0.2 0.8 2.0 8.2It's obvious that you struggle with reading.Dudley's rooking season: 22nd pick. Started 14 games and played 19 minutes. Johnson's rooking season: 4th pick. Started 63 games and played 26 minutes.All things are not created equal. Tell the whole story. You can try to tilt this picture you've painted anyway you want, but the proof is in the pudding. One guy is a 22nd pick who has played better all around than the other guy who is a 4th pick. You can use 1 month in a season as your reasoning, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Kaman is not the same player. Per 36 numbers are estimations if they played that way for 36 minutes. It doesn't compensate for fatigue. Foul trouble. Offensive/Defensive situations. Etc. If that's how you want to compare a guy, that's fine. Nonetheless, Kaman is not the same player he once was, nor is O'Neal. But, again, O'Neal will not be on the floor for Offensive purposes. He'll be there for his Defense. Kaman will not be on the floor for his Defensive, only his Offense. Hence, why comparing them is a wash. I stormed this "mufucka" asking a question and you stormed back in to this "mufucka" acting like I asked you "How can you say Kobe > Adam Morrison."Have fun pulling up internet topics months later.
im not gonna speak on the clippers just yet...they look dangerous on paper but can doc get all these guys on the same page? i hope so...
Quote from: Sir Petey on September 08, 2013, 01:13:35 PMim not gonna speak on the clippers just yet...they look dangerous on paper but can doc get all these guys on the same page? i hope so...he's a great coach, i bet they struggle a bit early but are a beast come playoff time