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Aladin

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2013, 01:34:59 PM »

And who do you think the chessplayer is? To me, what you say only makes sens if that chessplayer is able to put himself in such a position if these 2 groups (western europe+usa and Russia+China) eliminitae each other. I don't think any country or any corporation seems to be in taht supposed chessplayer position. Maybe it only is, like you said earlier, multiple nations trying to defend their interest the best they can.

That's why I said we can only speculate

Explain 2 me rationally then, why an country the size of a midget.
Is so powerful. that no politician, can become a president, without APAIC's approval.
The only US president in recent history 2 be impeached (well he resigned.) Was Nixon.
The latest watergate tapes released show him angry at these zionist (not jewish) lobby:
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/22/news-opinion/politics/new-nixon-tapes-show-more-anti-semitism

Explain 2 me why the watergate scandal was so bad, "because he spied on other politicians"
And Now obama spies on All americans, he gets 2 stay?

Is there logic involed, or is it used as a stick 2 hit Obama if he does not intervene in Syria?

Explain 2 me why this midget state has underground shelters under almost any home and building an Huge underground Hospital.
Explain 2 me why this midget state threatens you and me with the Samson option:

"Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."



 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2013, 01:53:26 PM »

And who do you think the chessplayer is? To me, what you say only makes sens if that chessplayer is able to put himself in such a position if these 2 groups (western europe+usa and Russia+China) eliminitae each other. I don't think any country or any corporation seems to be in taht supposed chessplayer position. Maybe it only is, like you said earlier, multiple nations trying to defend their interest the best they can.

That's why I said we can only speculate

Explain 2 me rationally then, why an country the size of a midget.
Is so powerful. that no politician, can become a president, without APAIC's approval.
The only US president in recent history 2 be impeached (well he resigned.) Was Nixon.
The latest watergate tapes released show him angry at these zionist (not jewish) lobby:
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/22/news-opinion/politics/new-nixon-tapes-show-more-anti-semitism

Explain 2 me why the watergate scandal was so bad, "because he spied on other politicians"
And Now obama spies on All americans, he gets 2 stay?

Is there logic involed, or is it used as a stick 2 hit Obama if he does not intervene in Syria?

Explain 2 me why this midget state has underground shelters under almost any home and building an Huge underground Hospital.
Explain 2 me why this midget state threatens you and me with the Samson option:

"Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:

    We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."


I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.

My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.

That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2013, 02:31:18 PM »

I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.

My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.

That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.

I agree with you. If we would use only rational. We could never, let me repeat that, Never understand the world.
Indeed there must be a balance, if there is not, it will consume you  and destroy you.
But God Almighty had mercy on us and send us guidance through Prophets and guidance through our hearts.
And last not least, the search for truth is a search that anyone should take on his own.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 05:09:36 PM »

I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.

My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.

That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.

I agree with you. If we would use only rational. We could never, let me repeat that, Never understand the world.
Indeed there must be a balance, if there is not, it will consume you  and destroy you.
But God Almighty had mercy on us and send us guidance through Prophets and guidance through our hearts.
And last not least, the search for truth is a search that anyone should take on his own.



Which is simply showing us that we need chaos as much as good. I like your rationale.
I'm reading a book about Fidel Castro ''Fidel l'infdèle'' right now. He is full of contradictions, this is quite interesting. But in the end, his influence on his own people were pretty negative as a whole. However, he escaped soooooo many situations where his life was in danger, it's almost impossible. It really is. And each time, it was the weirdest coincidence you couldn't imagine. Almost every important character of his life were related somehow someway. And the way he manipulated his image and his mind in the eyes of the people he knew, it is incredibly intelligent.

In the end, it is hard to read all of that and to beleive all of that, because the way it all happened just seems impossible. How a guy like him could stay alive for so long. So you start having doubts about everything that is written in the book because, maybe there's a chance the story wasn't true. If so, who is saying the truth? You don't know, so you have to start the circle again and again and again....
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2013, 05:28:00 PM »


Which is simply showing us that we need chaos as much as good.


Now you go philosophical one me  :)

But it is True.
If you dont have darkness, how do you define light.
If you don't have sadness, how do you define happiness.
we could go on and on....
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2013, 10:29:45 AM »
I watched this debate about Syria with George Galloway. I wanted 2 share it with Y'all.
Although I might not always agree with him.
In my opinion he wins hands down.

 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2013, 01:31:02 AM »
George Galloway is for the most part decent in terms of how a politician goes, which is why he was smeared and character-assassinated and now when people think of George Galloway they think "traitor", and "hates the UK".

I've listened to his show and he can be quite rude, not allowing callers to have their say. The holocaust was one topic in particular, when a caller was giving god scientific reasoning and all Galloway could do was call him a disgusting human being.

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2013, 02:42:30 AM »
George Galloway is for the most part decent in terms of how a politician goes, which is why he was smeared and character-assassinated and now when people think of George Galloway they think "traitor", and "hates the UK".

I've listened to his show and he can be quite rude, not allowing callers to have their say. The holocaust was one topic in particular, when a caller was giving god scientific reasoning and all Galloway could do was call him a disgusting human being.

I know what you mean, he plays sometimes on the player instead of the ball.
But this time the interviewer deserved it. iF she acts like Saudi's involvement is questionable,
then I can not take her serious.

About the Holocoast, if there were a milion victims or 6 million is irrelavant 2 me.
The jewish people suffered terribly from the nazi's.
And in Europe they looked the other way.

No matter what I think of zionism.

Wrong is wrong and opression is opression.

Now let me give another opinion.
I believe and I am allowed 2 give my opinion. So don't attack me 4 it.

Without the Holocaust zionism would not be a popular idea with the poor european jews.
They are as much a victim of Nazi's as zionism. Although they may not agree with me.

But the statement of the first israeli head of state speak for itself:
"When I could save 1 milion children by transporting them 2 Britain or
I could save half a million by transporting them 2 Israel, I would choose the second."

The quote is out the top of my head, so the words could differ.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2013, 04:45:24 AM »
He's either going to say something you like and 100% agree with, or something that makes you say "come on George, open your mind a little". When it comes to the middle east conflict though, he's on the ball unlike most MP's, but I would assume that he has spent a lot of his time visiting the region, researching it, knowing it's history, establishing contacts, and is therefore in a more valid position to comment on than say someone in a direct prime minister role who is securely escorted to meet a military official as a part of some PR stunt.

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2013, 01:20:41 AM »

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2013, 01:38:31 AM »

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


May G_d reward them the seventh heaven.
It is terrible that some people even deny their suffering.

But his opinion, although we may not agree with him, is still his opinion. And he has the right 2 express it.
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2013, 01:52:41 AM »
Thank you Aladin.

He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.




 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2013, 01:59:47 AM »
Thank you Aladin.

He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.


I would be dissapointed if you did :)
 

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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2013, 05:46:38 AM »

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.

The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.

So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.

You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;)   So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
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Re: Vladmir Putin letter in NY Times
« Reply #29 on: September 18, 2013, 08:42:58 AM »

I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally

What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.

May G_d have mercy upon you.


Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.

The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.

So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.

You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;)   So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing

You beleive in something wrong, my friend. You say we can't prove the holocaust happened. Following your logic, we can't prove it didn't happen. Following your logic, we should simply beleive that since we can't prove that this event happened, we shouldn't beleive in the story at all.

When you start making an explanation based on suppositions, you are blind yourself. In a different way, but you are blind. What I hate about conspirationism is that you beleive nothing is real in this world and then create the most improbable story as being ''true'' just because you can't prove it exists. You become what you think everyone else is: a follower of illusions. You think you are enlightened but you are manipulated by your own thoughts in the worst possible way. You are not manipulated by events, but by your own mind.