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Name me rappers with three classic Hip Hop albums.
Quote from: ابرهم عبدالصمد on June 21, 2014, 08:47:58 PMQuote from: Native American on June 20, 2014, 09:18:03 AMjayz is the most overrated, dudes hiphop career is equal to a female artists. track record and all. his wife and wifes sister got more street cred then him, and they grew up with Jesus.hes the meryil streep of hiphop.i never believed anything he said, maybe it was the way he rapped.... but he wrote the book for artist like Aubrey DRAKE to come into the game.you dont have to pay dues, you dont have to have street smarts, just lie and higher security detail. Puffy tried to do this with BIGGIE but BIG wasnt feelling it, by then it was to late..... money is a muffuccah...Drakes latest 0 to 100 track, he said we can do it on your turf, REALLY..... i doubt drake ever even met up with the bullies at the flag pole of his Canadian school, eh ?most overrrated rapper Performers jayz, and drake. PREACH!!!!Jay-Z is the most over-rated. And there is no "BUT" to that statement.. there is no, "BUT I liked his first album but he sucks now" or "but I have a lot of his cd's and like some of his songs".... No if, ands, or buts, about it.And don't think I'm being a hater because I am 32 damn years old. I was around and a huge hip-hop head in 96 when this dude first came out and he wasn't even popular enough to have haters. His joint with Foxy Brown was the first joint I heard and right away I took him as some sort of back-up groupie for Foxy Brown. Like a sort of Spliff Starr for Foxy Brown. No joke. I just thought he was like her back-up dude or some shit like that...Then when he came out with what I consider his best song, "Can't Knock the Hustle" with Mary J. Blige, I was taping songs off the radio and I had left the RECORD button on too long and accidentally taped that track after Do or Die "Po Pimp". So it got left on the tape and I would always hear that song after I would listen to "Po Pimp" before I could get to the tape player and fast forward or rewind.NOW THAT WAS HIS BEST SONG. And I even used to fast forward over his shit. And this was way before dude had HATERS. Dude just sounded like a regular NY rapper, with very little charisma or originality to stand out from all the other golden age rappers of the mid-90's....so I always thought this dude was average at best. I even bought his second album because I liked the joint "Sunshine" with Foxy Brown and I had a thing for Foxy Brown. So I tried to listen to the album and I wasn't feeling it at all. I was shocked when "Hard Knock Life" came out and dude was talking about retirement, and people were saying he was one of the greatest, and making a big deal about that shit like he was a legend or something... I couldn't believe it, and being so young I was stupid enough to buy into the hype a bit and pick up the album. It sounded good one time through and then the second time through it was wack and I never bumped the album again after that. I agree. Growing up during those days as well, I didn't know ONE cat who owned a Jay-Z cd. Not one! Most of his fame and hype he has now, came from outside the music industry. He's overrated for sure.
Quote from: Native American on June 20, 2014, 09:18:03 AMjayz is the most overrated, dudes hiphop career is equal to a female artists. track record and all. his wife and wifes sister got more street cred then him, and they grew up with Jesus.hes the meryil streep of hiphop.i never believed anything he said, maybe it was the way he rapped.... but he wrote the book for artist like Aubrey DRAKE to come into the game.you dont have to pay dues, you dont have to have street smarts, just lie and higher security detail. Puffy tried to do this with BIGGIE but BIG wasnt feelling it, by then it was to late..... money is a muffuccah...Drakes latest 0 to 100 track, he said we can do it on your turf, REALLY..... i doubt drake ever even met up with the bullies at the flag pole of his Canadian school, eh ?most overrrated rapper Performers jayz, and drake. PREACH!!!!Jay-Z is the most over-rated. And there is no "BUT" to that statement.. there is no, "BUT I liked his first album but he sucks now" or "but I have a lot of his cd's and like some of his songs".... No if, ands, or buts, about it.And don't think I'm being a hater because I am 32 damn years old. I was around and a huge hip-hop head in 96 when this dude first came out and he wasn't even popular enough to have haters. His joint with Foxy Brown was the first joint I heard and right away I took him as some sort of back-up groupie for Foxy Brown. Like a sort of Spliff Starr for Foxy Brown. No joke. I just thought he was like her back-up dude or some shit like that...Then when he came out with what I consider his best song, "Can't Knock the Hustle" with Mary J. Blige, I was taping songs off the radio and I had left the RECORD button on too long and accidentally taped that track after Do or Die "Po Pimp". So it got left on the tape and I would always hear that song after I would listen to "Po Pimp" before I could get to the tape player and fast forward or rewind.NOW THAT WAS HIS BEST SONG. And I even used to fast forward over his shit. And this was way before dude had HATERS. Dude just sounded like a regular NY rapper, with very little charisma or originality to stand out from all the other golden age rappers of the mid-90's....so I always thought this dude was average at best. I even bought his second album because I liked the joint "Sunshine" with Foxy Brown and I had a thing for Foxy Brown. So I tried to listen to the album and I wasn't feeling it at all. I was shocked when "Hard Knock Life" came out and dude was talking about retirement, and people were saying he was one of the greatest, and making a big deal about that shit like he was a legend or something... I couldn't believe it, and being so young I was stupid enough to buy into the hype a bit and pick up the album. It sounded good one time through and then the second time through it was wack and I never bumped the album again after that.
jayz is the most overrated, dudes hiphop career is equal to a female artists. track record and all. his wife and wifes sister got more street cred then him, and they grew up with Jesus.hes the meryil streep of hiphop.i never believed anything he said, maybe it was the way he rapped.... but he wrote the book for artist like Aubrey DRAKE to come into the game.you dont have to pay dues, you dont have to have street smarts, just lie and higher security detail. Puffy tried to do this with BIGGIE but BIG wasnt feelling it, by then it was to late..... money is a muffuccah...Drakes latest 0 to 100 track, he said we can do it on your turf, REALLY..... i doubt drake ever even met up with the bullies at the flag pole of his Canadian school, eh ?most overrrated rapper Performers jayz, and drake.
Quote from: BiggSadot on June 23, 2014, 03:37:07 PMScarface most underrated. Not one bad official album in his career.only releases that were just alright were Balls & My Word and My Homies 2 but he didn't sign off on those
Scarface most underrated. Not one bad official album in his career.
I agree. Growing up during those days as well, I didn't know ONE cat who owned a Jay-Z cd. Not one! Most of his fame and hype he has now, came from outside the music industry. He's overrated for sure.
Quote from: Chamillitary Click on June 23, 2014, 12:28:44 PMName me rappers with three classic Hip Hop albums.The term classic gets thrown around a lot. A classic can't be replicated, it's why it's a classic. True hip-hop classics like Illmatic, The Chronic, Paid in Full, that's very hard to do. But for the sake of just listing 4 mic quality albums and calling them classics, I'll bit. But honestly, I only call 5 mic albums classics, and very few of these albums listed I'd truly call classic, but as I said, I'd bit.Run DMC - Run DMC, King of Rock, Raising HellEric B and Rakim - Paid in Full, Follow the Leader, Don't Sweat the TechniqueBoogie Down Production - Criminal Minded, By All Means Necessary, The Blueprint of Hip-HopIce Cube - Amerikkka'z Most Wanted, Lethal Injection, the Predator2Pac - Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, MakaveliNas - Illmatic, It Was Written, StillmaticThe Roots - Illadelph Halflife, Things Fall Apart, How I Got OverKanye West - College Dropout, Late Registration, My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyAnd if you want to add Jay-Z, like Snoop I count only 2 classics, but that's 2 more classics than many other rappers. A few rappers I think have 2 classicsLL Cool J - Radio, Mama Said Knock You OutBig Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane, It’s a Big Daddy ThingPublic Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black PlanetKool G Rap - Road to Riches, Live and Let DieTribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm, The Low End TheoryDr. Dre - The Chronic, 2001Redman - Whut? Thee Album, Muddy Waters Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle, The Last MealWu Tang Clan - 36 Chambers, Wu Tang ForeverThe Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die, Life After DeathCommon - Resurrection, BeJay-Z - Reasonable Doubt, The BlueprintOutkast - Aquemini, Speakerboxxx/The Love BelowDMX - It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot, …And Then There Was XEminem - The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem ShowWAY too many to list with one classic.See, here is the thing. I wouldn't even argue with you that Jay-Z is a great ARTIST. It's what I think 2Pac did better than anyone else. Create hooks, find the right beat, make a great track with above average lyrics about fly shit and you got Jay-Z. And there is nothing wrong with it. Jay-Z is like the Tim Duncan of rap, you know night in and night out exactly what you are getting from Tim Duncan, 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist and 2 block shots a game. And his stats season to season don't vary too much from that. Every Jay-Z album you know exactly what you are getting, some very hot beats, catchy courses you'll be humming all day, some pretty good word play about fly shit you want to buy and he's flow is smooth enough that you can listen to a whole album front to back as background music and really vibe out to that shit. Jay has his niche. But to put him top 10 greatest rappers ever, that's overrating him. Though I am glad the Jay-Z as GOAT movement is over as well. With the great outpouring of music from Nas in his late career, I think he has more than proven he is the GOAT, as no one can touch the level of music he put out for as long as he did.
Quote from: LAC/EASTSIDE on June 23, 2014, 08:49:28 PMI agree. Growing up during those days as well, I didn't know ONE cat who owned a Jay-Z cd. Not one! Most of his fame and hype he has now, came from outside the music industry. He's overrated for sure. Word... Fucc what Cham got to say. He's a baby, he grew up believing the hype that Jay-Z was one of the all time greats.MDogg... you old enough to remember 96 when Jay first came out. What were your first impressions? Didn't he seem like he was doing backup for Foxy and riding her coat-tails? I know you wasn't feeling that shit in 96' or even the next year with his second album around late 97. Then without proving a damn thing dudes just started hyping him like he was the greatest in 98' and it snowballed from there. But nobody I knew was giving props to Jay-Z in 96' and 97'. In my opinion he never proved himself. He got famous and got props without ever actually earning it. That's called hype and good advertising.
Lol, the albums I'm referring to as Jay's classics are all over a decade old. Jay is top ten no matter how you slice it.
Quote from: M Dogg™ on June 23, 2014, 01:39:15 PMQuote from: Chamillitary Click on June 23, 2014, 12:28:44 PMName me rappers with three classic Hip Hop albums.The term classic gets thrown around a lot. A classic can't be replicated, it's why it's a classic. True hip-hop classics like Illmatic, The Chronic, Paid in Full, that's very hard to do. But for the sake of just listing 4 mic quality albums and calling them classics, I'll bit. But honestly, I only call 5 mic albums classics, and very few of these albums listed I'd truly call classic, but as I said, I'd bit.Run DMC - Run DMC, King of Rock, Raising HellEric B and Rakim - Paid in Full, Follow the Leader, Don't Sweat the TechniqueBoogie Down Production - Criminal Minded, By All Means Necessary, The Blueprint of Hip-HopIce Cube - Amerikkka'z Most Wanted, Lethal Injection, the Predator2Pac - Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, MakaveliNas - Illmatic, It Was Written, StillmaticThe Roots - Illadelph Halflife, Things Fall Apart, How I Got OverKanye West - College Dropout, Late Registration, My Beautiful Dark Twisted FantasyAnd if you want to add Jay-Z, like Snoop I count only 2 classics, but that's 2 more classics than many other rappers. A few rappers I think have 2 classicsLL Cool J - Radio, Mama Said Knock You OutBig Daddy Kane - Long Live the Kane, It’s a Big Daddy ThingPublic Enemy - It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Fear of a Black PlanetKool G Rap - Road to Riches, Live and Let DieTribe Called Quest - People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm, The Low End TheoryDr. Dre - The Chronic, 2001Redman - Whut? Thee Album, Muddy Waters Snoop Dogg - Doggystyle, The Last MealWu Tang Clan - 36 Chambers, Wu Tang ForeverThe Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die, Life After DeathCommon - Resurrection, BeJay-Z - Reasonable Doubt, The BlueprintOutkast - Aquemini, Speakerboxxx/The Love BelowDMX - It’s Dark and Hell Is Hot, …And Then There Was XEminem - The Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem ShowWAY too many to list with one classic.See, here is the thing. I wouldn't even argue with you that Jay-Z is a great ARTIST. It's what I think 2Pac did better than anyone else. Create hooks, find the right beat, make a great track with above average lyrics about fly shit and you got Jay-Z. And there is nothing wrong with it. Jay-Z is like the Tim Duncan of rap, you know night in and night out exactly what you are getting from Tim Duncan, 20 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assist and 2 block shots a game. And his stats season to season don't vary too much from that. Every Jay-Z album you know exactly what you are getting, some very hot beats, catchy courses you'll be humming all day, some pretty good word play about fly shit you want to buy and he's flow is smooth enough that you can listen to a whole album front to back as background music and really vibe out to that shit. Jay has his niche. But to put him top 10 greatest rappers ever, that's overrating him. Though I am glad the Jay-Z as GOAT movement is over as well. With the great outpouring of music from Nas in his late career, I think he has more than proven he is the GOAT, as no one can touch the level of music he put out for as long as he did.Quik got 3 classics too..If you consider Kanye's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" a classic, you should consider Jay-Z "American Gangster" too..this shit is vintage classic.
Quote from: LAC/EASTSIDE on June 23, 2014, 08:49:28 PMQuote from: ابرهم عبدالصمد on June 21, 2014, 08:47:58 PMQuote from: Native American on June 20, 2014, 09:18:03 AMjayz is the most overrated, dudes hiphop career is equal to a female artists. track record and all. his wife and wifes sister got more street cred then him, and they grew up with Jesus.hes the meryil streep of hiphop.i never believed anything he said, maybe it was the way he rapped.... but he wrote the book for artist like Aubrey DRAKE to come into the game.you dont have to pay dues, you dont have to have street smarts, just lie and higher security detail. Puffy tried to do this with BIGGIE but BIG wasnt feelling it, by then it was to late..... money is a muffuccah...Drakes latest 0 to 100 track, he said we can do it on your turf, REALLY..... i doubt drake ever even met up with the bullies at the flag pole of his Canadian school, eh ?most overrrated rapper Performers jayz, and drake. PREACH!!!!Jay-Z is the most over-rated. And there is no "BUT" to that statement.. there is no, "BUT I liked his first album but he sucks now" or "but I have a lot of his cd's and like some of his songs".... No if, ands, or buts, about it.And don't think I'm being a hater because I am 32 damn years old. I was around and a huge hip-hop head in 96 when this dude first came out and he wasn't even popular enough to have haters. His joint with Foxy Brown was the first joint I heard and right away I took him as some sort of back-up groupie for Foxy Brown. Like a sort of Spliff Starr for Foxy Brown. No joke. I just thought he was like her back-up dude or some shit like that...Then when he came out with what I consider his best song, "Can't Knock the Hustle" with Mary J. Blige, I was taping songs off the radio and I had left the RECORD button on too long and accidentally taped that track after Do or Die "Po Pimp". So it got left on the tape and I would always hear that song after I would listen to "Po Pimp" before I could get to the tape player and fast forward or rewind.NOW THAT WAS HIS BEST SONG. And I even used to fast forward over his shit. And this was way before dude had HATERS. Dude just sounded like a regular NY rapper, with very little charisma or originality to stand out from all the other golden age rappers of the mid-90's....so I always thought this dude was average at best. I even bought his second album because I liked the joint "Sunshine" with Foxy Brown and I had a thing for Foxy Brown. So I tried to listen to the album and I wasn't feeling it at all. I was shocked when "Hard Knock Life" came out and dude was talking about retirement, and people were saying he was one of the greatest, and making a big deal about that shit like he was a legend or something... I couldn't believe it, and being so young I was stupid enough to buy into the hype a bit and pick up the album. It sounded good one time through and then the second time through it was wack and I never bumped the album again after that. I agree. Growing up during those days as well, I didn't know ONE cat who owned a Jay-Z cd. Not one! Most of his fame and hype he has now, came from outside the music industry. He's overrated for sure. I will be honest, I bought the Black Album. I didn't even buy Blueprint, I copied it from my friends, and my wife and I got together she had it, so I used her CD. LOL. But as I've said, consistent, had a formula that works, but he is not the all time great everyone makes him out to be. He is not top 10. Quote from: Blood$ on June 23, 2014, 04:51:12 PMQuote from: BiggSadot on June 23, 2014, 03:37:07 PMScarface most underrated. Not one bad official album in his career.only releases that were just alright were Balls & My Word and My Homies 2 but he didn't sign off on those You ever heard any of Scarface? Mr. Scarface is Back, The World is Mine, The Diary, The Untouchable, My Homies, The Last of a Dying Breed, The Fix? Those all are damn great albums, and The Diary and the Fix to me are personal classics. Mr. Scarface is Back and the World is Mine are two great albums that I can listen to over and over when I'm in an old school mood and I'm tired of NWA. The Untouchable and My Homies are good, they fit that time period and they have some great songs on those albums too. Scarface is constant and way too underrated.
I know you wasn't feeling that shit in 96' or even the next year with his second album around late 97. Then without proving a damn thing dudes just started hyping him like he was the greatest in 98' and it snowballed from there. But nobody I knew was giving props to Jay-Z in 96' and 97'. In my opinion he never proved himself. He got famous and got props without ever actually earning it. That's called hype and good advertising.
I remember 1996, didn't even know who 'Pac was dissing in Bomb First. I was like, who the fuck is Jay-Z? I heard of Nas, I heard of Mobb Deep, but Jay-Z? When I heard Reasonable Doubt to listen to Brooklyn's Finest (I heard rumor that they dissed 'Pac on that track so I had to listen), I was like, that's alright. It grew on me over the years, but no one I knew just heard it and said Jay-Z was the best rapper or even close. It was a solid album that is now known as Jay-Z's debut. Then Jay had his first trilogy, which all of them were meh. Vol. 2 was the best on, and off that people were trying to crown him best rapper alive.
The Black Album, Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt are undisputed classics