ICE CUBE - MAN DOWN (Offical Discussion)

[WCThang]

Cool song, the hook could be a bit better but still banging - looking forward to the album. Man,  it’s sad though when your fav artists start aging. Cube didn’t look too bad on the Mount Westmore videos which was 2022 but he’s put a lot of weight on in this video especially in the reverend suit. I hope he’s not ill or anything.

Cube looks pretty good for his age. He's always been a little chubby lol.

[doggfather]

Cube looks pretty good for his age. He's always been a little chubby lol.

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[Safe+Sound]

No big expectations with Cube anymore. His golden years are way behind him. Sure, the production on this single is ok but it's overshadowed by something much bigger. He's literally not the same person anymore and has turned his values inside out, cozying up with the kind of people he used to rip to shreds on his old records like Tucker Carlson, who defended the cop who killed George Floyd - Steve Bannon, a raging bigot - and Donald Trump, who has compiled a public record of racism so long that it has its own Wikipedia entry. Cube's making it increasingly difficult for fans to separate the art from the artist. It all makes his first single - especially the music video - stunningly ironic but also exactly what you'd expect from someone who completely flipped on everything he used to stand for.

[Westdog]

Not everything is so clear. In youth, people tend to go to extremes more often. With age, understanding of many things comes deeper.

[dan9700]

No big expectations with Cube anymore. His golden years are way behind him. Sure, the production on this single is ok but it's overshadowed by something much bigger. He's literally not the same person anymore and has turned his values inside out, cozying up with the kind of people he used to rip to shreds on his old records like Tucker Carlson, who defended the cop who killed George Floyd - Steve Bannon, a raging bigot - and Donald Trump, who has compiled a public record of racism so long that it has its own Wikipedia entry. Cube's making it increasingly difficult for fans to separate the art from the artist. It all makes his first single - especially the music video - stunningly ironic but also exactly what you'd expect from someone who completely flipped on everything he used to stand for.

whats wrong with you, he has seen the light, whats wrong with trump.

[midwestryder]

It sucks to see far Ice Cube has fallen from his early days.  It is probably time to hang it up.  If he retired in the 90's he would probably be considered one of the best to ever touch the mic.

in no way or form has ice cube Fallen and he would never be considered the best on the mic but he is one of the best from the West.. you just seem to not be able to evolve with Ice Cube and he should never retired in the 90s and he still put out Classics in the 2000s and still putting out better music than all of the new school.

[Ebony BONeZ]

No big expectations with Cube anymore. His golden years are way behind him. Sure, the production on this single is ok but it's overshadowed by something much bigger. He's literally not the same person anymore and has turned his values inside out, cozying up with the kind of people he used to rip to shreds on his old records like Tucker Carlson, who defended the cop who killed George Floyd - Steve Bannon, a raging bigot - and Donald Trump, who has compiled a public record of racism so long that it has its own Wikipedia entry. Cube's making it increasingly difficult for fans to separate the art from the artist. It all makes his first single - especially the music video - stunningly ironic but also exactly what you'd expect from someone who completely flipped on everything he used to stand for.

Cube is an actor
We've been enjoying his comedy for 30 years
The album has some serious songs
Not as political as Arrest The President which was about Trump and he only met with Trump about a REPARATIONS promise
He said he went on Tucker Carlson because nobody gonna tell him what he can or can't do
Even in the 90's he had haters from the Nation of Islam but nobody doubted his allegiance to his community
He joined with the NFL to help start business for Black people
He created the Contract With Black America to address policing and poverty
His resume speaks VOLUMES
It's My Ego is just some fun but if you listen bar by bar he's still saying something

[Westdog]

Cube is an actor
We've been enjoying his comedy for 30 years
The album has some serious songs
Not as political as Arrest The President which was about Trump and he only met with Trump about a REPARATIONS promise
He said he went on Tucker Carlson because nobody gonna tell him what he can or can't do
Even in the 90's he had haters from the Nation of Islam but nobody doubted his allegiance to his community
He joined with the NFL to help start business for Black people
He created the Contract With Black America to address policing and poverty
His resume speaks VOLUMES
It's My Ego is just some fun but if you listen bar by bar he's still saying something

True

[Safe+Sound]

Cube is an actor
We've been enjoying his comedy for 30 years
The album has some serious songs
Not as political as Arrest The President which was about Trump and he only met with Trump about a REPARATIONS promise
He said he went on Tucker Carlson because nobody gonna tell him what he can or can't do
Even in the 90's he had haters from the Nation of Islam but nobody doubted his allegiance to his community
He joined with the NFL to help start business for Black people
He created the Contract With Black America to address policing and poverty
His resume speaks VOLUMES
It's My Ego is just some fun but if you listen bar by bar he's still saying something

I respect that Ice Cube has made important contributions to the Black community over the years—his work with the Contract with Black America and NFL initiatives are commendable. However, none of that changes the fact that his recent actions directly contradict the values he built his legacy on, especially regarding his stances on systemic racism and police brutality.

   1.   Meeting with Trump:
You mention that Cube met with Trump only about reparations, but the context matters. Meeting with Trump during an election cycle where Trump’s record on race was under scrutiny was not simply about pushing reparations—it was political. It gave Trump a platform to claim he’s working with influential Black leaders, while Trump simultaneously denied the existence of systemic racism. This isn’t just about independence; it’s about enabling a narrative that works against the very communities Cube claims to support.
   2.   Tucker Carlson Appearance:
You say Cube went on Tucker Carlson because “nobody tells him what he can or can’t do,” but the problem isn’t about Cube’s freedom of choice—it’s about what Tucker Carlson represents. Carlson has repeatedly defended figures involved in racial violence, like the police officer who killed George Floyd. By sitting down with someone like that, Cube aligns himself with a platform that actively undermines the struggles of Black Americans that Cube once stood up for. Independence doesn’t mean ignoring the impact of your associations.
   3.   The Bigger Picture:
Yes, Cube has done great things for the Black community, but none of that erases the fact that he’s now aligning with people and platforms that are harmful to that very same community. If anything, his past work only makes his recent decisions more disappointing. When you build a career on criticizing the powerful forces of racism, then turn around and cozy up to those very forces for political expediency, it sends a message that your values are for sale.
   4.   Separation of Art and Artist:
You suggest that Cube is “just having fun” on his new single, but that misses the point. Cube’s art has always been rooted in authenticity and resistance. Now, he’s trying to separate his public behavior from his music, as if they don’t influence each other. His “fun” approach doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s standing alongside people who’ve made careers out of undermining civil rights. Fans who once rallied behind his voice for justice are now expected to overlook the fact that he’s abandoned the very principles he once stood for.
   5.   Haters in the ’90s:
You mentioned Cube had haters from the Nation of Islam in the ‘90s, but that was due to his radicalism and speaking truth to power. The criticism he’s receiving now is entirely different. It’s not about radical ideas; it’s about the fact that Cube is backtracking on those ideas and associating with individuals who actively oppose the fight against systemic racism. This isn’t a matter of misunderstood intentions—it’s a complete reversal of his former values.

In short, while Ice Cube’s past work is undeniable, his recent decisions cannot be dismissed as mere independence or business strategy. They reflect a concerning shift in his principles, one that directly undermines his previous stance on social justice and makes it hard for fans to continue separating the art from the artist.

[Westdog]

I respect that Ice Cube has made important contributions to the Black community over the years—his work with the Contract with Black America and NFL initiatives are commendable. However, none of that changes the fact that his recent actions directly contradict the values he built his legacy on, especially regarding his stances on systemic racism and police brutality.

   1.   Meeting with Trump:
You mention that Cube met with Trump only about reparations, but the context matters. Meeting with Trump during an election cycle where Trump’s record on race was under scrutiny was not simply about pushing reparations—it was political. It gave Trump a platform to claim he’s working with influential Black leaders, while Trump simultaneously denied the existence of systemic racism. This isn’t just about independence; it’s about enabling a narrative that works against the very communities Cube claims to support.
   2.   Tucker Carlson Appearance:
You say Cube went on Tucker Carlson because “nobody tells him what he can or can’t do,” but the problem isn’t about Cube’s freedom of choice—it’s about what Tucker Carlson represents. Carlson has repeatedly defended figures involved in racial violence, like the police officer who killed George Floyd. By sitting down with someone like that, Cube aligns himself with a platform that actively undermines the struggles of Black Americans that Cube once stood up for. Independence doesn’t mean ignoring the impact of your associations.
   3.   The Bigger Picture:
Yes, Cube has done great things for the Black community, but none of that erases the fact that he’s now aligning with people and platforms that are harmful to that very same community. If anything, his past work only makes his recent decisions more disappointing. When you build a career on criticizing the powerful forces of racism, then turn around and cozy up to those very forces for political expediency, it sends a message that your values are for sale.
   4.   Separation of Art and Artist:
You suggest that Cube is “just having fun” on his new single, but that misses the point. Cube’s art has always been rooted in authenticity and resistance. Now, he’s trying to separate his public behavior from his music, as if they don’t influence each other. His “fun” approach doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s standing alongside people who’ve made careers out of undermining civil rights. Fans who once rallied behind his voice for justice are now expected to overlook the fact that he’s abandoned the very principles he once stood for.
   5.   Haters in the ’90s:
You mentioned Cube had haters from the Nation of Islam in the ‘90s, but that was due to his radicalism and speaking truth to power. The criticism he’s receiving now is entirely different. It’s not about radical ideas; it’s about the fact that Cube is backtracking on those ideas and associating with individuals who actively oppose the fight against systemic racism. This isn’t a matter of misunderstood intentions—it’s a complete reversal of his former values.

In short, while Ice Cube’s past work is undeniable, his recent decisions cannot be dismissed as mere independence or business strategy. They reflect a concerning shift in his principles, one that directly undermines his previous stance on social justice and makes it hard for fans to continue separating the art from the artist.

You need to interview Cube). This is adult life, not youth maximalism and revolution.

[Ebony BONeZ]

I respect that Ice Cube has made important contributions to the Black community over the years—his work with the Contract with Black America and NFL initiatives are commendable. However, none of that changes the fact that his recent actions directly contradict the values he built his legacy on, especially regarding his stances on systemic racism and police brutality.

   1.   Meeting with Trump:
You mention that Cube met with Trump only about reparations, but the context matters. Meeting with Trump during an election cycle where Trump’s record on race was under scrutiny was not simply about pushing reparations—it was political. It gave Trump a platform to claim he’s working with influential Black leaders, while Trump simultaneously denied the existence of systemic racism. This isn’t just about independence; it’s about enabling a narrative that works against the very communities Cube claims to support.
   2.   Tucker Carlson Appearance:
You say Cube went on Tucker Carlson because “nobody tells him what he can or can’t do,” but the problem isn’t about Cube’s freedom of choice—it’s about what Tucker Carlson represents. Carlson has repeatedly defended figures involved in racial violence, like the police officer who killed George Floyd. By sitting down with someone like that, Cube aligns himself with a platform that actively undermines the struggles of Black Americans that Cube once stood up for. Independence doesn’t mean ignoring the impact of your associations.
   3.   The Bigger Picture:
Yes, Cube has done great things for the Black community, but none of that erases the fact that he’s now aligning with people and platforms that are harmful to that very same community. If anything, his past work only makes his recent decisions more disappointing. When you build a career on criticizing the powerful forces of racism, then turn around and cozy up to those very forces for political expediency, it sends a message that your values are for sale.
   4.   Separation of Art and Artist:
You suggest that Cube is “just having fun” on his new single, but that misses the point. Cube’s art has always been rooted in authenticity and resistance. Now, he’s trying to separate his public behavior from his music, as if they don’t influence each other. His “fun” approach doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s standing alongside people who’ve made careers out of undermining civil rights. Fans who once rallied behind his voice for justice are now expected to overlook the fact that he’s abandoned the very principles he once stood for.
   5.   Haters in the ’90s:
You mentioned Cube had haters from the Nation of Islam in the ‘90s, but that was due to his radicalism and speaking truth to power. The criticism he’s receiving now is entirely different. It’s not about radical ideas; it’s about the fact that Cube is backtracking on those ideas and associating with individuals who actively oppose the fight against systemic racism. This isn’t a matter of misunderstood intentions—it’s a complete reversal of his former values.

In short, while Ice Cube’s past work is undeniable, his recent decisions cannot be dismissed as mere independence or business strategy. They reflect a concerning shift in his principles, one that directly undermines his previous stance on social justice and makes it hard for fans to continue separating the art from the artist.

Does Cube not have the opportunity to further his cause and effectively use these bigoted platforms to bring about awareness for his work in the community?
I thought, after reading comments from die hard Trump and Tucker Carlson fans, after Cube’s appearing and conversing with these cretins, that it was a great opportunity to steer their die hard audience towards sympathising with the Black community

I agree that these characters are abominable but regardless of the party in power it's still the same money in circulation and if Trump wins, isn’t it that same government we'll be appeasing for leniency?

Also,  doesn't Cube get the chance to just goof off occasionally, like in It's My Ego?

I really wanna hear She's Sanctified which I'm hoping is a step away from the "bitches" and "hoes" if we're being petty

Cube is criticized from both the wider community and his own community for lyrics that seem exploitative and he's cocooned himself in a tight knit circle of supporters

He's repeatedly told the Black community to only vote if they're going to benefit and he was hammered for that too

I don't think Cube really "plays politics" well because he's not the spokesman people assume he is

He's an artist
Flaws and all

[Sccit]

Cube is an actor
We've been enjoying his comedy for 30 years
The album has some serious songs
Not as political as Arrest The President which was about Trump and he only met with Trump about a REPARATIONS promise
He said he went on Tucker Carlson because nobody gonna tell him what he can or can't do
Even in the 90's he had haters from the Nation of Islam but nobody doubted his allegiance to his community
He joined with the NFL to help start business for Black people
He created the Contract With Black America to address policing and poverty
His resume speaks VOLUMES
It's My Ego is just some fun but if you listen bar by bar he's still saying something

facts

[Sccit]

I respect that Ice Cube has made important contributions to the Black community over the years—his work with the Contract with Black America and NFL initiatives are commendable. However, none of that changes the fact that his recent actions directly contradict the values he built his legacy on, especially regarding his stances on systemic racism and police brutality.

   1.   Meeting with Trump:
You mention that Cube met with Trump only about reparations, but the context matters. Meeting with Trump during an election cycle where Trump’s record on race was under scrutiny was not simply about pushing reparations—it was political. It gave Trump a platform to claim he’s working with influential Black leaders, while Trump simultaneously denied the existence of systemic racism. This isn’t just about independence; it’s about enabling a narrative that works against the very communities Cube claims to support.
   2.   Tucker Carlson Appearance:
You say Cube went on Tucker Carlson because “nobody tells him what he can or can’t do,” but the problem isn’t about Cube’s freedom of choice—it’s about what Tucker Carlson represents. Carlson has repeatedly defended figures involved in racial violence, like the police officer who killed George Floyd. By sitting down with someone like that, Cube aligns himself with a platform that actively undermines the struggles of Black Americans that Cube once stood up for. Independence doesn’t mean ignoring the impact of your associations.
   3.   The Bigger Picture:
Yes, Cube has done great things for the Black community, but none of that erases the fact that he’s now aligning with people and platforms that are harmful to that very same community. If anything, his past work only makes his recent decisions more disappointing. When you build a career on criticizing the powerful forces of racism, then turn around and cozy up to those very forces for political expediency, it sends a message that your values are for sale.
   4.   Separation of Art and Artist:
You suggest that Cube is “just having fun” on his new single, but that misses the point. Cube’s art has always been rooted in authenticity and resistance. Now, he’s trying to separate his public behavior from his music, as if they don’t influence each other. His “fun” approach doesn’t excuse the fact that he’s standing alongside people who’ve made careers out of undermining civil rights. Fans who once rallied behind his voice for justice are now expected to overlook the fact that he’s abandoned the very principles he once stood for.
   5.   Haters in the ’90s:
You mentioned Cube had haters from the Nation of Islam in the ‘90s, but that was due to his radicalism and speaking truth to power. The criticism he’s receiving now is entirely different. It’s not about radical ideas; it’s about the fact that Cube is backtracking on those ideas and associating with individuals who actively oppose the fight against systemic racism. This isn’t a matter of misunderstood intentions—it’s a complete reversal of his former values.

In short, while Ice Cube’s past work is undeniable, his recent decisions cannot be dismissed as mere independence or business strategy. They reflect a concerning shift in his principles, one that directly undermines his previous stance on social justice and makes it hard for fans to continue separating the art from the artist.

you doin too much bro

[Ebony BONeZ]

you doin too much bro

Don't dumb him down, Sccit
I feel what he's saying but I don't think Cube ever signed up to be the poster boy for political correctness
And if anything..... meeting with Trump and Tucker Carlson was, in today's climate, very rebellious

[Sccit]

Don't dumb him down, Sccit
I feel what he's saying but I don't think Cube ever signed up to be the poster boy for political correctness
And if anything..... meeting with Trump and Tucker Carlson was, in today's climate, very rebellious

not about dumbing anyone dumb

just pretty sure that poster is a radical liberal shill who would be giving cube high praise if he was out there proppin up kamala harris campaign

cats who act like black people are a monolith and are selling out if they don’t vote democrat always been funnystyle to me