Mainstream/Underground argument (Lets set this str8)

[Trauma-san]

Fix your goddamn avatar you inconsiderate motherfucker.

LOL

[Twentytwofifty]

A lot of MCs that use "big words" frequently do it just for the sake of using them to sound more intelligent.  Canibus is the perfect example of it.  

I put a curse on your name, bombard your brain
With gamma x-rays till you burst into flames
With the scientifically quantifiable megalomaniacal
Viable style, it's like trying to ride a bull

Or even worse...

It's legibly unimaginable, mathematically incalculable
Inextricably infalible
Let's not forget utterly impossible or
Morally unsermountable to assume that I could lose if I battled you


Give me a break.  


Rakim and Gza are MCs with extensive vocabularies but don't seem to force them.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

it's completely pointless to judge rappers by how known they are or how much they sell and I guess most people know that..

I LIKE JA RULE

i hate 50 cent and his "im so gangsta" image...its too played out.

both 50 and Ja claim gangsta, the only difference is Ja's never been one

and u say the other reason u hate 50 for is he ain't got no lyrical skill.. is that what u bump Ja for..? lyrical skill?

u don't make any sense



as for tha 'Ja hatin' in general.. if a fool like Ja who clowned himself big time in videos, interviews, disstracks, stricktly RnB singles etc and has been bitin Pac more than anybody else ever.. manages to have a few aight tracks on his album.. u can't expect people to say let's forget about all his bullshit, enjoy these tracks and give the bitch props for them..

even if he had a good track on his album the lyrics and everything wouldn't mean shit to me considering what a fuckin joke Ja is..

plus it ain't even like that.. i had pain is love for example and the whole album is wack

[SGV]

both 50 and Ja claim gangsta, the only difference is Ja's never been one

I take it you were raised with Ja? You know him personally, right? LMAO. Get over it 50 Fan. Just because your favorite artist says he's a busta, you don't need to hop on the boat. Some of you people need to get a mind of your own. 50 and Ja are equally as "fake." If they both were so gangsta, they'd have killed each other already. At least Ja has had 50 shanked and Proof jumped, what has 50 done?

Anyway, sometimes the Vocab Rappers get boring. It's not that we don't understand, it's just that it makes no sense. Why throw a bunch of words together to sound intelligent? It's pointless. For the exception of E-40's album, all the albums in my sig are perfect examples of great underground lyricism.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

I take it you were raised with Ja? You know him personally, right? LMAO. Get over it 50 Fan. Just because your favorite artist says he's a busta, you don't need to hop on the boat. Some of you people need to get a mind of your own. 50 and Ja are equally as "fake." If they both were so gangsta, they'd have killed each other already.

first of props on that funny name u gave me.. "sgv tha undadogg"..

as for 50.. please get over that "do u know him personally" bs.. did u know Pac personally? how come u called him a busta several times..

u even called the Lox bustas and they do have credibility..

and I doubt u are stupid enough to seriously expect 50 to shoot Ja if he was a real G..

didn't Lynch (just one of 1000 examples) have beef with people who are still alive.. is he (are they all) a busta in your eyes?

I called Ja a fake before I knew he had beef with 50 it ain't about being a 50 fan or not

At least Ja has had 50 shanked and Proof jumped, what has 50 done?

that's the point.. if u got money/homies.. u can have people jumped.. it still doesn't make u shit

plus they didn't even manage to hurt Proof

as for 50.. he robbed and beat Ja twice.. and he did it himself

[I TO DA GEEZY]

scientific lyricism, as someone refered to it, is in fact a very slipery road, some rappers can express their thoughts in a cristal clear way, when the listener can understand exactly what the rapper is trying to tell, other rappers with lack of expresion abillities or ones who are for some reason lyriclly lazy, simply compile a collection of high language frazes and expresions using their undenieable vocab, but in fact, make no thematic sence, we all have heared the so called "deep" tracks after listening to which u have a wierd feeling nothing was told, either u convince youself shit was too damn deep for u to understand. So basicly both the listener both the rapper should always "watch" the lyrics and see wheather something actually stands behind them.

[Primo]

ja would fall into the wack catagory for me

[I`m Wayne Brady bitch!]

Of course they try to sound smart when they words like that , and I agree with Trauma , its fucking sickening .
The thing is : good music is good music , music that makes you feel something...and truth be told , most hip hop ( and I mean all hip hop , underground and mainstream ) brings SHIT nowadays .. and It`s not a lie , only a few albums this year has been dope , and thats fucking sad ... Your favorite rappers are ruining hip hop ( thinks about shady fam , murder inc , nelly , p-didd +++++ )

[SGV]

as for 50.. please get over that "do u know him personally" bs.. did u know Pac personally? how come u called him a busta several times..

u even called the Lox bustas and they do have credibility..

and I doubt u are stupid enough to seriously expect 50 to shoot Ja if he was a real G..

didn't Lynch (just one of 1000 examples) have beef with people who are still alive.. is he (are they all) a busta in your eyes?

I called Ja a fake before I knew he had beef with 50 it ain't about being a 50 fan or not

that's the point.. if u got money/homies.. u can have people jumped.. it still doesn't make u shit

plus they didn't even manage to hurt Proof

as for 50.. he robbed and beat Ja twice.. and he did it himself

I've called Pac a busta for being Suge's puppet. As for the Lox, Styles is a grimey muthafucka. I'm not sure about Donatello and the other moron though.

But, when you claim to be hardcore(Pac, 50 etc) and you don't handle what you say, to me you're a busta. Someone like Lynch never claims to be some Super Thug. Hell, he even talks about his set telling him to stop banging and just stay busting. Bad example.

Ja may not have done the dirt, but he had it handled, that's all that matters.

Lets save this for another thread, and not ruin this one.

Underground heads need to respect mainstream heads, and mainstream heads need to respect underground heads. It's simple as that. If you like Clubbin' music, more power to you, can't nobody knock that. If you like to vibe to some backpack shit, handle it. Do your do. I bump it all. From Underground to Jiggy.

[D.R.E.-Dogg]

I've called Pac a busta for being Suge's puppet. As for the Lox, Styles is a grimey muthafucka. I'm not sure about Donatello and the other moron though.

But, when you claim to be hardcore(Pac, 50 etc) and you don't handle what you say, to me you're a busta. Someone like Lynch never claims to be some Super Thug. Hell, he even talks about his set telling him to stop banging and just stay busting. Bad example.

Ja may not have done the dirt, but he had it handled, that's all that matters.

Lets save this for another thread, and not ruin this one.

Underground heads need to respect mainstream heads, and mainstream heads need to respect underground heads. It's simple as that. If you like Clubbin' music, more power to you, can't nobody knock that. If you like to vibe to some backpack shit, handle it. Do your do. I bump it all. From Underground to Jiggy.

seems like u recently changed ur oppinion on Styles alot.. as for Lynch, he's not a bad example, i ain't talking about bangin Lynch doesn't want to be a banger but I'm talking about him sayin he'll smoke anyone who'd try and front but m sane for example is still alive cuz Lynch ain't taking him/the beef serious like he said on Lynch By Inch.. same about 50 plus in the position he's in right now he can't just kill Ja anyway even if he was afraid of what Ja might do cuz he might aswell go straight to jail for good after that

in beef everybody's making threads and mostly it doesn't happen the way they claim it would on wax.. if somebody who would never do it anyway made these threads it would make him a busta but 50 has reasons not to do stupid shit like killing people being who he is right now.. he did shit like that in the past though plus he done whooped Ja's ass and yes it does matter if u do it yourself or not.. if u say ima fuck beat the shit outta u and send ur people to do it u didn't do shit and u lied.. if u say ima beat the shit outta u and go and do it then u kept ur promise.. so how can u say it doesn't matter

now we can save the rest for another thread..

[Lincoln]

The problem with a lot of underground rappers is that they lack personality. It's just straight similes/multies with songs that are pointless. Take Copywrite for example. I heard a song of his & thought it had great lyrics. Then I downloaded a few more of his songs hey all sounded the same.

[abstruse]

DAAMN trauma, you going at me like i'm a kurupt fan, I ain't. Forgot who said it, but yes, anyone can use 'superwords' but those who use it in a correct manner, shouldn't receive criticism for it. Those who do should, for instance, canabis(not a fan), uses 3 continuous 'superwords' back-to-back, which hurts his flow extremely(thats why he doesn't have one).  Even canabis, recognizes now that in the day he was on another planet with his vocabulary, and that's why he doesn't use them anymore. Also anyone can write a multie, but not everyone can string together 3 or 4 multies back to back, while not forcing them. Give credit where credit's due.

[Trauma-san]

^^ I never said long words were bad, I just said that most rappers I've heard use them were forcing them, trying to sound condescending or intelligent.  I think you can say a hell of a lot more with simple words, though, because a lot has to do with flow.  Case in point?

"One, two, Three & to the Four
Snoop Doggy Dogg & Dr. Dre is at the Door"

Simplest fucking POSSIBLE rhyme, and one of the tightest things ever said on wax.  Why? Emotion... Beat... Flow... Charisma... everything that makes a great rapper a great rapper.  SHIT lyrics.  Vanilla Ice was tighter than that lyrically... but when that shit dropped, it blew everybody away because Snoop was the shit.  


Or, look at Rock... rock since the 50's has been using simple simple lyrics, and getting incredible emotion & love from fans over it.  Paul McCartney had a song called "Maybe I'm Amazed"... 3 simple words, but it's genius, because his answer to why he was acting the way he was, was that "Maybe I'm amazed", just thinking about the meaning and possibilities of that 1 phrase made an entire song, and a #1 hit.