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back in the day cats would diss a muthaphukka just because they felt that muthaphukkaz style was wack, or the video was wack, or because that muthaphukka wasn't representing right. some of the most classic tracks in hip-hop were diss tracks written just because a muthaphukka felt that some cat that was on top with some fame that they didn't deserve. "your style is a gimmick, your shit is wack".what happened was you had wack muthaphukkaz like master p and sean puffy combs that couldn't diss, and knew they had no skills and they successfully flipped the game on it's side. they started this whole "playa hata" movement, where it became taboo to speak against anyone that was successful. these cats literally created a culture of dick-riding where it is impossible to question a muthaphukka over anything. garbage hip hop media outlets like mtv and bet were quick to embrace this attitude in the wake of the murder of tupac shakur (which was a street thing and only tangentially a hip hop thing) and now this is where we are at.these cats are claiming they street, in the streets if a muthaphukka rolls up and punches a cat in the mouth and snatches his chain, that's not playa hating. that's recognizing a busta when you see one.any of these g-unit groupies that are crying over yuk smashing on 50 cent or game needs to take a listen to "how to rob an industry nigga" and realize they themselves are the hypocrites. 50 cent knows how the game works, he did the same thing. take a listen to "buddens"; game is playing by the same rules, he smashed on budden for disses at 50.and as for yuk, most people think he jumped in the beef riding for cats like j-prince and some of his other people. there's nothing wrong with that. if your gonna diss yuk for that, pull out your old chronic cd's and diss snoop and tha dogg pound for speaking on eazy and ice cube. smash on game for dissing budden.these groupies are trying to redefine the rules to the game but 50, game, snoop, dpg and yuk and c-bo are all playing by the same rules. the same rules that have been in effect forever. it's not yuk that's in the wrong. it's not 50. it's not game. they are all playing by the same rules. it's these groupies that are getting their panties in a bunch because they've been taught that dick riding is better than clowning a cat wearing blonde hair and a tongue ring. the groupies are in the wrong."what's up nigga, real g's don't wear titty and tongue rings" - kamit's not like yuk is bending over backwards to clown game. cats were laughing at muthaphukkaz with tongue rings years before they ever heard of a cat named game. and you know what's ironic? it's been speculated that kam was inspired to write that line while watching an episode of "change of heart". that's unconfirmed though.
sgv, baby g and everybody else who's whining about so called dickryders are hypocritical clowns for being that themselves.. they will say 50 was wrong and an attention whore for how to rob but not say the same shit about bo and yuk.. your showing your own doublestandarts, not mine, I have no problem admitting the faults of artists i like
Quote from: L2DB on September 14, 2004, 05:46:25 AMsgv, baby g and everybody else who's whining about so called dickryders are hypocritical clowns for being that themselves.. they will say 50 was wrong and an attention whore for how to rob but not say the same shit about bo and yuk.. your showing your own doublestandarts, not mine, I have no problem admitting the faults of artists i likeHmmm....It's obvious that everyone disses for attention, otherwise they'd just take it to the streets. You're the idiot here. What cats like me and Baby G are pointing out is that if it's OK for 50 and them to make diss records without being attention whores, why ain't it the same for Yuk and others? That's a double standard. Everyone has a reason why it's OK for Em and X to diss JD. Everyone has a reason why it's Ok for 50 to diss Ja. But, when it's flipped? Oh, no! Everyone is throwing rocks at the throne. LMAO @ Xzibit's reason for dissing JD.
Quote from: 52_bars on September 13, 2004, 11:09:01 AMsomebody plzz tell me why everybody get all ANGRY & CATCH PMS when somebody diss G-String Unit......butttttttt when G-String Unit diss somebody its coo.....yall gotta get that man dick & his niggas dick outta yall mouth & assholetruelook at Game. he diss Memphis Bleek out the blue and no one trippin. but Domination diss Game and everybody screamin he lookin for attention.50 diss Shyne & Lil Kim for no reason - no problem. Yuk & C-Bo diss 50 - they instant haters.this G-Unit bandwagon is sickning. worst part is some of yall dont even realize how hard yall ridin 50's dick.
somebody plzz tell me why everybody get all ANGRY & CATCH PMS when somebody diss G-String Unit......butttttttt when G-String Unit diss somebody its coo.....yall gotta get that man dick & his niggas dick outta yall mouth & asshole
Quote from: Baby G on September 13, 2004, 11:29:00 AMQuote from: 52_bars on September 13, 2004, 11:09:01 AMsomebody plzz tell me why everybody get all ANGRY & CATCH PMS when somebody diss G-String Unit......butttttttt when G-String Unit diss somebody its coo.....yall gotta get that man dick & his niggas dick outta yall mouth & assholetruelook at Game. he diss Memphis Bleek out the blue and no one trippin. but Domination diss Game and everybody screamin he lookin for attention.50 diss Shyne & Lil Kim for no reason - no problem. Yuk & C-Bo diss 50 - they instant haters.this G-Unit bandwagon is sickning. worst part is some of yall dont even realize how hard yall ridin 50's dick.didnt game diss bleek coz he was using the same record name as jt label, get low.
bullshit, I am one of those one say yuk is wrong about that and I'm saying the same about 50, he was wrong too so there goes ya argument..
actually, you are strengthening my argument. what you are basically saying is "l2db is right; yuk, game, and 50 are wrong.the rules are wrong. everyone is wrong except l2db!"
any of these g-unit groupies that are crying over yuk smashing on 50 cent or game needs to take a listen to "how to rob an industry nigga" and realize they themselves are the hypocrites.
lol! you sound like those homeless cats on the street that are preaching about how everyone is going to hell, the world is doomed, and only they know the truth.
anytime you're in a situation where it appears that the rest of the world is wrong and you are right; that should be a clue to you to reevaluate your position. even in the rare cases where you are right and everyone else is wrong, you are still out of touch with everyone else.
you don't know the history there? snoop hit the scene, and the third song people heard from him was him dissing eazy. this was before eazy had ever spoken snoop's name or dissed dre directly. people knew dre had left eazy and ruthless, but there wasn't even public beef until snoop set it on e on the chronic intro and on dre day. and let's not forget the subtle shots snoop took at ren on the chronic intro, and the shots kurupt took at the lench mob on puffin' on blunts & drankin' tanqueray. snoop and dre also took shots at ice cube on dre day and let me ride, a fact which most choose to ignore. snoop, dre and the dpg literally set off their whole careers based around talking shit and dissing. dre conveniently abandoned dissing when he didn't want to deal with the tupac/death row onslaught.
i'm not calling him a puppet. you're the only one calling people puppets. snoop and the dpg took up for dre because dre put them on, dre was their boy and dre couldn't handle the beef on his own. dre is not a lyricist.just look at the lyrics:you tried to check my homie, you best check yourselfcuz when you diss dre, you diss yourself, muthaphukka - snoop on "dre day"
this is how it happens, this is how it's always been done. people take up for their friends. you are trying to change the rules acting like people can't take up for their friends.
check your facts. c-bo may not fuck with cats from the east but yuk always has. diesel don, one of the regime members is an east coast cat that's down with redman. yuk and the luniz did a track with redman. yuk has always been respectful of b. smalls and mentions how the luniz toured with bad boy and mary j blige in one of his verses.
lol!!! yuk has never dissed one person more than he's currently doing now against 50? you've never heard any yukmouth albums, have you? you don't know about the long standing beef with master p, the on again off again beef with too short, the shots yuk has taken at pastor troy, pac biters in general, the scarface beef...etc? don't speak on yuk like you know yuk when you clearly don't listen to yuk.
taking up for your friends is not a fault. it's called loyalty. this is how the game works. standing up for your friends (even when they are wrong) is much deeper than that. that is how life works. this is nothing new, this is nothing special.
these groupies are trying to redefine the rules to the game but 50, game, snoop, dpg and yuk and c-bo are all playing by the same rules. the same rules that have been in effect forever. it's not yuk that's in the wrong. it's not 50. it's not game. they are all playing by the same rules. it's these groupies that are getting their panties in a bunch because they've been taught that dick riding is better than clowning a cat wearing blonde hair and a tongue ring. the groupies are in the wrong.
here. let me highlight the portion of my original argument that applies to you:Quotethese groupies are trying to redefine the rules to the game but 50, game, snoop, dpg and yuk and c-bo are all playing by the same rules. the same rules that have been in effect forever. it's not yuk that's in the wrong. it's not 50. it's not game. they are all playing by the same rules. it's these groupies that are getting their panties in a bunch because they've been taught that dick riding is better than clowning a cat wearing blonde hair and a tongue ring. the groupies are in the wrong.
you are trying to redefine the rules of the game. whether you criticize one side as a groupie of the other, or both sides. either way, you're on the outside trying to redefine what's appropriate and acceptable. that is the part that directly speaks to you.I'm proving your argument wong, not strengthening it, see that now ?only in your own mind. do you deny that you are trying to redefine well established practices and customs within the hip hop community? do you deny being out of touch with the mindset that dictates that people must speak out against a cat when they feel it is necessary?
lmao @ you talkin irrelevant bullshit about homelss poeple..it's called a methaphor. act like your familiar with the different devices available to communicate an idea.
you seem to have a hard time understanding language. this isn't a matter of right and wrong. i specifically stated that "it doesn't matter if you are "right" or "wrong". i could easily make the argument that it's childish to speak in terms of those sorts of absolutes. what my post was about was the fact that you are out of touch with the people you are speaking against; not whether or not you were right or wrong.
look. let's look at two levels to this argument:we can look at this yuk/game conflict from the perspective of the hip hop observers in this thread; and your claim that you share the majority opinion. the reality is that this a thread with 40 posts, 600 views and really only about 6 or 7 people that are actually going back and forth over whether or not some combination of yuk and game is right or wrong. you're effectively trying to claim that a "vocal minority" actually represents the majority of posters and viewers in this thread. the basis for such a claim is dubious as there are no true statistics to back it up either way. your position is intellectually dishonest and borders on propoganda. if you truly want to take the temperature of the majority opinion of the people in this thread, start a poll. that will sort out how many of the posts and views are unique, and what the actual silent majority of the viewers are actually thinking. to sum it up succinctly, take another look at this thread. most people have come down either on one side or the other. your position that "both are wrong" is certainly not the majority of the posts in aggregate. and your implied statistical analysis is dishonest.
secondly, my position is that you and the groupies are out of touch with the "rules to the game". you are clearly out of touch with both yuk and game as you called both of them wrong. neither yuk nor game could possibly agree with you as you disagree with both. again it's clear that you are out of touch with the artists.
what I said is that I can't call snoop a puppet for dissing eazy cause Dre didn't make him change his opinion on eazy like J prince did yuk on 50.. Snoop didn't give eazy props before[/I] he started dissing himincorrect. snoop and dpg have both given eazy props after the fact and stated that they were taking up for dre. check daz's comments at the record release party for the ruthless "decade of game".
yuk gave 50 props for making hits or something. yuk was acknowledging 50's success. trying to make it clear that he wasn't jealous. you are misrepresenting yuk's comments.
i'm not implying anything. you claimed that yuk didn't work with east coast cats and that issn't true.
that statement is not true about yuk, and now you are trying to backpedal.
there's a difference between liking a song someone did and respecting them as a person. it's admirable that yuk would take the time to make the distinction.
even if I liked your ass, if I get an order I won't question, just do it fast" .. puppet pleaseyou're misrepresenting yuk again. this is the same guy that went after scarface while they were labelmates; and lil j clearly wasn't that happy about that. if yuk was a puppet he wouldn't have smashed back on face.
look, people diss for whatever reason they want, and there's a strong precedent for people dissing over shit that isn't really personal. you can look at old school shit like that roxanne roxanne shit or that that boogie down vs juice crew shit. ll vs ice t. it's always been like this. [..]if i'm pointing to the history, to past precedents it's not just my opinion. people have done documentaries on it. what i'm saying is what yuk and c-bo have done is what has always been done; and that is a fact.
spider is on 50's team now. his opinion may be biased.
just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's irrelevant. you made fallacious statements in an argument to make it appear as if your argument was the majority opinion. i called you on it. you said im the only one saying what I said and I said I'm not.. actually in this very thread i wasn't rightexactly. and i called you on it.
you're effectively trying to claim that a "vocal minority" actually represents the majority of posters and viewers in this thread.
look. snoop and the dpg have stated on numerous occasions that the were fans of cube and nwa. the first thing they did when they hit the scene was diss cube, eazy and snoop took a swipe at ren. they admitted that they were riding for dre. their own statements make it clear that they were beefin' with cats they had no personal beef with. at the time eazy called them on the fact that they were jumping into beef and he didn't know them.
listen to this ruthless radio shit with eazy and the dpg4:20 in...eazy: ya'll jumped into something that didn't concern you...kurupt (or daz): it don't matter...
so check your facts before you run your mouth. you have dpg admitting they jumped into shit that didn't concern them. and i'm not calling them a puppet for it. it's ok to take up for your friends.
so lil j is telling yuk what to diss 50 on now? is lil j writing the disses for yuk too? who is lil j, karl rove? wtf you're pulling shit out of your ass to make yuk look bad. and this shit isn't about what disses yuk is hurling at 50, but why.
people have always been doping stupid shit
bo and yuk are the ones doin it, of course they are biased.. your arguments are getting even sillier by the moment
lmao you didn't call me on shit, you yourself thought i was right about this very thread
try and stay honest that's the least thing you could do for yourelf to prevent clowning yourself again
oh daz / kurupt disagree with me.. I must be wrong !
They still might've had the impression of Eazy being shady for fucking his group fellows outta money. Of course they were riding for Dre but that doesn't mean they didn't share his views on eazy
I ain't got to make up shit, yuk put it all down for me in a perfect way to prove my point, he said if the boss wants something that's what happens, you are avoiding that quote cause you know you ain't got shit to say about it that would help yuk / your point.