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You can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote above
All he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and 2.your parentsYou are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering. And that is exactly what KRS did "My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
KRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.
First of this is not a about race"I don’t speak for the African American community exclusively, I speak for HIPHOP!"and KRS did NOT mean that all hiphop fans in existance had the same feeling as he did so as of yet I don't see how he's been proven wrongQuoteYou can simply not claim KRS did NOT cheer in ANY WAY either, as he literally said what i made red in the quote aboveYes KRS said he cheered and anybody who read my post knows that I never said he didn't cheer in any way but what he didn't is cheer at the attacks in general"My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. You can simply not claim KRS DID cheer, as he literally said he did not in the quote above i made red.The key to the understanding of what KRS said is to understand what the "cheering in a way" as you put it means and after reading your post I think it's safe to say, so far, you didn't.QuoteAll he did is express a seperated point of view on ONE aspect of the attacks (the business aspect). That doesn' take ANYTHING away from the fact that he is as said as everybody else that 911 happened cause people did die.If a bomb kills a whole lotta people including1.a tyran who controlled the whole country and 2.your parentsYou are sad and wish it wouldn't have happened, yet, thinking about the political aspect only you do cheer at the fact that the country's now free.Now if you were asked about your political opinion on what happened you could say "I cheered when the tyran's oppression was blown away" even if you actually cried when it happened cause your parents and other peeps died. It doesn't mean you literally cheered, it only means you would have cheered if that was the only effect of what happened and since you currently speak about the political aspect only, you also express your reaction to the political aspect only. Your reaction to the end of the tyran's oppression = cheering. And that is exactly what KRS did "My intent is never to demean or disrespect anyone’s loss or gain; and of course I did not literally “cheer when 911 happened”. I made an objective statement about the feelings of those who were oppressed by world trade policies. I was just as saddened as everyone else on 911. "You might call KRS a fool for saying it in a way that's easy to interpretate wrongly, especially whithout the context BUT you can not call him fucked up for having that opinion cause there is NOTHING wrong or even offensive about the opinion.
You're simply blinded by the fact that he generalizes his view on this certain aspect and claims for it to be the view of the whole hiphop community. If you're mad about that, aight, nothin wrong with that, but don't mix it up with the content of this view.
QuoteKRS-ONE = HipHop, uhu...F.U.C.K. T.H.A.T.False. KRS-One = HipHop, Y.E.S. I.N.D.E.E.D., KRS = the whole hiphop community, falseIf you were more into KRS you'd know that him being hiphop only means he's 100% HipHop, not HipHop is him. He's living for hiphop, not for the cash that's in it like many other rappers. In his opinion every emcee who did a bunch of albums should offer his new album on the internet for everyone to download and sell so the fan part of the hiphop community got something in return after spending all the money in the artists previous albums.While selling the albums they're again promoting the artist. This is just one example for how serious KRS takes the hiphop community, he also went to the United Nations and had them accept HipHop as a legal and official culture.That's why KRS says "I am HipHop" while Nelly for example is not even though he does rap music. He doesn't claim he's the only one with the right to say "I am HipHop", not at all.
i do understand that point of yours. that point is that you can see various aspects to something that is a tragedy and while you find it overall saddening, you can still see its positive effects and be glad about them. if that is not your point, i didn't understand it (fully), if so i understood that from the beginning. the whole thing is a moralic issue though. "Cheering" is an emotional outburst, it is NOT the same as "being glad about" or "seeing the positive side to" something. KRS said he didn't mean it literally, but my opinion is that it is stupid and not justified to use it metaphorically, either. By saying that he polemically implied something that is totally wrong and even though the positive sides to 9/11 may exist (i never denied that, i said he did have some points in my very first post) he is to blame for the hate he gets. He provoked it and his overall behavior in this situation pisses me off. From his first statement you can not draw the conclusion that he was actually very sad and just had enough pragmatism left in his state of grief to figure there were positive aspects. No, you canfuckinnot see that. Had he apologized for his choice of words, or explained it saying that they might have been open to interpretation and not been very clear, i wouldn't be bothered even though i still wouldn't fully agree and still consider it cynical to say shit 'happened to them' and 6,000 lives lost are justice for blacks that were racially profiled and harassed by WTC security. Instead, what KRS did was write an aggressive and offensive statement in which he didn't remotely show traces of even the capability of self-criticism and instead attacked everybody who misinterprated his poetic truth-preaching thought-provoking HipHop ass, which was only logical from the way he originally said stuff. Do you understand that point??
Had he apologized for his choice of words, or explained it saying that they might have been open to interpretation and not been very clear, i wouldn't be bothered
there is no excuse for the shit the Daily News quoted. And his fuckin response as to how he was 'taken out of context' doesn't provide any excuse either. It's not only cynical, but also straight up dumb to claim 9/11 was 'justice for black people' especially when your main point is racial prejudice towards blacks by WTC security. that's so fuckin blown outta proportion, think about it, 6,000 lives were lost and that includes several black lives from what i know.
If it seemed to you that i did not seperate it from the rest, sorry. It goes along with his cockiness and bigging up himself, but it is of course not the same thing as his views themselves or the way he reacted to the responses itself
no, i know that, but he thinks he's in the position to judge and define who can call themselves hiphop and what hiphop is and stands for. he overestimates himself as to his position and objectivity
ok, i'm not really trying to go on for ages, so i'll say just a few more things1. I see KRS is not happy abouth the attacks as a whole, which i didn't really assume, still i think if he brings up the point of racial profiling and says "when the planes hit the building we were like, umm, justice" there has to be a relation between these and it's a cynical statement to call it justice of any kind; it implies those hit were the 'enemy' so to speak and their killing might be deplorable but has on the other hand been just in some way; that message is simply inherent in this statement and if it is not the message he intended to deliver, then he lacked the eloquence to get his real point across. If that was the case he should have seen that, at least afterwards2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.3. i still think he's cocky and overestimates himself as for hiphop. he acts like his views are way more objective than they are and i say this in no concrete relation to this 9/11 stuff. that's something i never liked him for. and i'm not a KRS-ONE hater and i enjoy some of his music for the record. but i don't like him as a person, sorry
Quote from: Kill on October 24, 2004, 12:30:31 PM2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.a"Like everyone I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually “cheered when 911 happened” and that I have “declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda”. you wanna tell me claiming he declared his solidarity with Al Qaeda is not something you should never say aboutanybody unless he literally said that ? It doesn't leave any doubt at all about him being happy about the attacks as a whole..
2. ok, there was some sort of apology there, but he attacked the Daily News - while i don't read that newspaper and believe they might possibly not be open-minded and unbiased towards hiphop and its people, i think from KRS' original speech the way KRS quoted it himself, they couldn't see that things weren't intended to imply what the quotes they used implied. In other words, there is no solid evidence of any bad intention held by them. For KRS to attack them is therefore wrong, cause like i said, he is to blame for the way he said shit originally. And ok, he might not be a punk for his opinions (i still don't agree fully, period), but he's a foo for expressing them the way he did and afterwards getting mad at a newspaper that quoted him and gave people only the impression most of them would have been given by the original speech itself as well.