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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #165 on: May 10, 2009, 05:29:41 PM »
I'm just missing track 14 from mine now, can somebody upload that for me? lol  8)

It's "Gangsta Rap" ft. DPG. GangstaBoogy purposely left it off the file when he uploaded it because he figured we already had it.

It's the alternate verse though that isn't on Dogg Pound "2002".

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #166 on: May 10, 2009, 06:04:23 PM »
Interesting stuff. So its a 100% this is just a bootleg cd with whichever tracks were available & not the real SHTTBG


check out this link that was forwarded to me.

http://www.streethop.com/street-corner/174434-fake-crooked-i-cd-say-hi-bad-guy-has-been-exposed-proof-inside.html

This link doesn't work for me.  Can you please explain what it said?

The link works.

Okay.  Maybe it does.  But it says I have to register.  And I don't know that it's worth it to read a single post.  Especially if I don't know what the post says.


 FAKE Crooked i Cd (Say Hi To The Bad Guy) has been EXPOSED (Proof inside)
FAKE Crooked i Cd (Say Hi To The Bad Guy) has been EXPOSED (Proof inside)

The deal was, that Nino and Kilo were posting on the dubcnn forums under many various account names, creating a false hype about this new Crooked i CD so that more people would buy it, 1 from LSN, 2. from FTP (every1 not knowing there are the same people as well as 1O1/ GMG etc).

Every1 on dubcnn was weary of it to begin with, but these videos by Clint Dogg (from Kilo aka Josh aka Kilo2 aka DTG Ent. David Tanner Guinn aka DeathRowsFinest aka LSN on dubcnn.com) prove it all and exposes him and this Crooked i Cd as a SCAM.

These videos don't lie.
1st Msg by Josh aka Kilo aka DTG Ent aka DeathRowsFinest (8-3-09)
http://www.zshare.net/video/56681954e636f005/

2nd Msg Talking to Josh aka Kilo aka DTG Ent aka DeathRowsFinest(8-3-09)
http://www.zshare.net/video/566804193b3b2892/

Return MSG to Kilo aka Nino aka etc etc (8-3-09)
http://www.zshare.net/video/56687868356ec801/

The very next day BOTH Cd's were taken down.

If you got time, it will all explain itself after a little reading up on these links below.
Crooked I-Say Hi 2 The Bad Guy
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=211073.0

Not promoting, but a topic would hit here anyhow so....Crooked I, FTP
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=210700.25

New Crooked i cd, FTP, 1O1, GMG, Kilo/DeathRowsFinest/DTG Ent. Exposed
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=211045.0

Here U Go FTP (Crooked Tracks Inside)
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=210728.0

Clint Dogg - Msg to Josh aka Kilo aka DTG Ent aka FTP aka 1O1 (12-3-09)
http://www.zshare.net/video/56931099d3266a2d
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 Okay.  Thanks for posting that up.  It's an interesting theory.  But I have to agree with Effex that at least some of this is probably just a consipracy theory.  For one, both projects are very different.  There are tracks on LSN's that are not on FTP's.  And vice-versa.  This can be seen in the snippets of each respective project, that was posted.
Also, the material appears to have been obtained in different manners.  As we all know, FTP acquired their tracks from the webmaster being the former webmaster for Death Row Records official site.  While the material acquired for the LSN project was obtained due to being accidentally sold at the Death Row auction.  Now I agree that it's possible that both parties were trying to cross-promote each others' projects behind the scenes.  But it actually seems, from the way they were trying to leak each others' tracks, that they were actually trying to undermine the success of each others' Crooked I project.  What I think is more likely is that when the webmaster for FTP was made aware that someone else was going to be selling a Crooked I cd, he then tried to put one out himself, thinking that the LSN project would hurt the value of his.  
 I would also agree that it's possible that DeathrowsFinest and Los Skanless could be the same person.  But it would be difficult to know that for sure.
 I would also agree that neither project is the official version of the cd with the finalized tracklist.  For that matter, we don't even know that a finalized tracklist even exists.  But it is clear that there are tracks on here that weren't recorded for this project.  And there are tracks that were recorded for this project, that aren't on here.  But I also don't know where people get the idea that a lot of these tracks were "Dysfunktional Family" leftovers.  I think it's possible, but that would also probably be difficult to know for sure.  The "Who Wants to Fuck Tonight" track was originally recorded for "SHTTBG," but was later moved to the "Dysfunktional Family" soundtrack (Crooked confirmed this in an old interview).  But I'm not sure if there's any evidence to show conclusively that any of the songs on here were actually intended to be used on the "Dysfunktional Family" cd.  
 

i dont think anybody should take that clint dog dude too seriously......he seems like an obsessed maniac to me and more of just pure comedy if anything
 

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #167 on: May 10, 2009, 06:18:33 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.
 

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #168 on: May 10, 2009, 06:39:20 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.

while it's an assumption, i think its obvious that this isn't the actual tracklist of what was supposed to be put out.  unless it was really supposed to be a compilation then there's no way this could be it.  i could believe having a lot of features but crook would still have more verses and be the first verse more often than the 2nd or 3rd.....i'd say maybe 3-6 of these tracks would have been on the real album which is just my speculation.

nobody can say with certainty that drew peterson killed his wives but that doesn't mean 99% of country wouldn't put their money on it
 

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #169 on: May 10, 2009, 06:41:09 PM »
yeah drew said he didnt do it
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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #170 on: May 10, 2009, 06:49:27 PM »
what happened to DARREN THE BEAT-BANGER VEGAS?

i saw a promo truck with his name and face on it go through the mcdonalds drive thru near my pad
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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #171 on: May 10, 2009, 06:51:05 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.

while it's an assumption, i think its obvious that this isn't the actual tracklist of what was supposed to be put out.  unless it was really supposed to be a compilation then there's no way this could be it.  i could believe having a lot of features but crook would still have more verses and be the first verse more often than the 2nd or 3rd.....i'd say maybe 3-6 of these tracks would have been on the real album which is just my speculation.

nobody can say with certainty that drew peterson killed his wives but that doesn't mean 99% of country wouldn't put their money on it

Agree and Disagree.  I completely agree that this isn't the exact album that Crooked I would have put out.  "Dollas N My Hand," and "Gangsta Rap" definately weren't "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" tracks.  And after Daren Vegas remixed "So Damn Hood," it is pretty safe to assume that both original versions of "So Damn Hood" that appeared on here probably wouldn't have been used on "Say Hi to the Bad Guy either (had it been released).  What I object to, is the statement that "Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I."  There has been no proof that most of these tracks weren't recorded for "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  I think the fact that most of these tracks were to be featured on both "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" bootlegs indicates that the majority of them probably were recorded for "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  We can only state with reasonable certainty that 4 out of 15 tracks weren't really going to be included on the album.  Again, let me stress that I'm not saying the other 11 tracks definately were for "SHTTBG."  I'm merely stating that as of right now, you can't prove that they weren't.
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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #172 on: May 10, 2009, 07:10:13 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.

Some of these tracks are really not meant to be on the album though, it's not common knowledge but there's a lot of reliable sources regarding some of these tracks.

JohnnyL

Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #173 on: May 10, 2009, 07:17:34 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.

Some of these tracks are really not meant to be on the album though, it's not common knowledge but there's a lot of reliable sources regarding some of these tracks.

Well, I'll admit, I'm far from an expert.  Are there others besides the four I mentioned?  And if so, can you name which ones they are?  I still think the majority of these songs are album tracks.  Maybe there's more than just the four.  But I bet out of 15 songs, more of them are album tracks than are not. 
 

EFFeX

Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #174 on: May 10, 2009, 07:53:34 PM »
Found this posted on another forum.

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Here is an "EP" that FTP (For the People) released. Basically its a lot of stuff that this dude had that was made in the same years Say Hi To The Bad Guy was recorded. Most of these tracks wouldn't have appeared on this album, and its pretty clear that some of these tracks are different artists featuring Crooked I. Anyways it's still a pretty good collection of unreleased Crooked I Death Row era tracks.

I think it's funny how hearsay and rampant speculation suddenly becomes fact when enough people keep repeating it.  Lol.  Look, people can have opinions on what they believe to be true.  But something isn't true just because you say it is.  The fact is, none of us know for sure what would have been put on the final version of "Say Hi to the Bad Guy."  Maybe Crooked I could shed some light on what was recorded for what.  But other than that, no one can really say with certainty.

Some of these tracks are really not meant to be on the album though, it's not common knowledge but there's a lot of reliable sources regarding some of these tracks.

Well, I'll admit, I'm far from an expert.  Are there others besides the four I mentioned?  And if so, can you name which ones they are?  I still think the majority of these songs are album tracks.  Maybe there's more than just the four.  But I bet out of 15 songs, more of them are album tracks than are not. 

I'm getting lost with all the posts, but here is my opinion on the whole thing.

We know there were at least two albums worth of Say Hi To The Bad Guy material. Now, I am speaking just from my beliefs, even though I have loose facts and reasoning.

On the FTP release I believe that "Dollaz In My Hand", "Gangsta Rap (OG)", both "So Damn Hoods" and "Take The Title" would not have appeared on a finalized version of Say Hi To The Bad Guy. I DO believe that we would have seen "Hood Star" (the WIDE Awake version), "Bitch", "Me & My Dogg" and probably "I'm So Crooked" although that's just because I think it sounds album quality. However, we know this isn't the finalized version of "I'm So Crooked". As far as the other songs, I don't have any REAL proof, but they just do not sound like they were meant for Crooked's album. It sounds like "La La" was an Eastwood track and "Frontline" as well as "Boss Me Up" sound like Kurupt left-overs. There is nothing disproving that the other songs weren't meant for the project though, they were more than likely meant for the project. Although Mike Toreno's recent information is interesting and worth considering.

There are also tracks that are missing from the tracklisting. These tracks include "Live From Tha Row", "Slap Back", "I Shoulda Made You My Wife" and a rumored track called "Another Day In The LBC" which I have no information about, but a title. Additionally we know there are tracks recorded for the Say Hi To The Bad Guy sessions featuring Murder Inc artists as well as a Jadakiss and a Scarface track which were mentioned before the album's original public release date. There are a few additional tracks mentioned, but because I can find no additional information that proves they are nothing more than hearsay I won't even mention them.

Now you have the LSN / DRF project, which includes songs like "Thug & His Wife", "Cali Luv 3",  "Do It Again", "Fuck Em", "Fuck With You", etc. I have no information regarding these tracks to disprove them. So I can't argue that those were not meant for the album. The track that they leaked "Who Wants to Fuck Tonight (OG)" was meant for Say Hi To The Bad Guy at one point, but later removed. This is common knowledge. Without confirmation we'd only be able to speculate whether or not they are meant for the album by the way they sound.

Now aside from the LSN / DRF project, FTP release and tracks I mentioned above we know there are at the very least 30 other tracks that COULD have been for Say Hi To The Bad Guy. This number was reached through the leaked Death Row inventory documents as well as additional research I've done over the years. Now it's quite possible that some of the tracks are titled incorrectly on the DRF & FTP release, but once again, I do not believe there's any supporting evidence to support that.

I know I forget to mention a whole bunch of stuff, but I'm mad tired and can't remember everything off the top of my head. However, I think that some of this reasoning is at least worth considering when making a judgement on how legitimate the FTP release actually is. Bottom line, yes, some of those tracks more than likely were for Say Hi To The Bad Guy and some were not. We DO know that there is TONS of music left off of their copy. There could be some sure-hit classics left off of these projects. From a fan stand-point I truly do not believe that this was the best Crooked recorded on Death Row. We've heard some Untouchable songs and snippets as well as some of Daz Dillingers copy of Say Hi To The Bad Guy and there are some timeless classics in those collections. To label that "mixtape" that FTP sold as Crooked I's final body of work on Death Row seems unreasonable, because it would almost say that he took a step backward.

Like I said, this is my beliefs on the subject. I am not a former employee of Death Row, just a fan who has done a lot of research.
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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #175 on: May 10, 2009, 07:54:50 PM »
definitely not the final tracklisting. production isnt consistent, and it sounds more like a featuring crooked i album.
 

EFFeX

Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #176 on: May 10, 2009, 08:02:36 PM »
Why can't Daz just drop his Say Hi To The Bad Guy since there is no dispute on the tracklisting? LOL!

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #177 on: May 10, 2009, 08:03:37 PM »
haha daz is somewhat scared of crooked (indirectly)
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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #178 on: May 10, 2009, 08:31:43 PM »
I think SOME, not all, but SOME of that Clint Dogg stuff is conspiracy theory though, got to be honest.

Explain, i dont get it. What parts are just consp?
 

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Re: The official "Say Hi to the Bad Guy" discussion thread
« Reply #179 on: May 10, 2009, 09:01:04 PM »
hook up the gangsta rap og 8)