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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2002, 10:39:46 PM »
F*ck anyone who criticizes America.

LOL I'll bet he was heated when he wrote that.  



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« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2002, 10:52:09 PM »
Hell yeah I was am heated!
 

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2002, 01:03:27 AM »
CWalker, may i suggest u retract all the historical mistakes u made in your post.

also critcism is just me excersisng the freedom American supposedly gave me isnt it? so bless those who critcize anything, exercise your rights.

and if u only let American's critcize America isnt that just gonna be biased? its like letting directors review their own movies.
 

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2002, 11:29:04 AM »
Does that mean i'm allowed to criticise the US or not, as i (fortunatly) don't live there anymore, but at one point did. How about if i say the things i like about it first, its freedom of infromation act (for any british peeps who faught in the gulf war or dads who did OUR govt still refuses to admit there is such a thing as gulf war syndrome while in the US because of F of I Act they admitted there is ages ago) and its seperation of powers. And all Europeans who think America has the worst politicians in the world then read up on Ralph Nader as what he did in the US probably made your life better as well.
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2002, 11:31:32 AM »
I was gonna write the things i don't like about the USA now, but really can't be fucked as i can't be bothered to write it. I'mma go smoke a blunt instead.
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2002, 12:33:58 PM »
^^ AMOTIVATION SYNDROME right there LOL peace
 

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2002, 12:34:47 PM »
man I wish I was in the UK so I could walk down my street smoking a joint like I could do in India
 

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2002, 01:27:42 PM »
LOL @ Rapquake, you're exactly right, LOL.  I hope everybody saw that, lol Rapquake just properly diagnosed a pothead, HAHAHAHHAA
 

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2002, 02:45:44 PM »
no i am not a pothead its just that i think there are a lot of things that make America not great, and to write it all up would take me ages. And my friend just phoned me up to go for a smoke. I used to be a pothead though and it ain't no joke, it really fucked up my life for a bit. But now i got it under control, in part thanks to America (when i went over there i just went cold turkey so i managed to clear my head up). Being a pothead is as bad as an alcoholic.
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2002, 05:46:14 AM »
"Let's be honest, there is alot of jealously towards the US."

What exactly are we jealous of? I'm finding it hard to think of anything...

Obesity in 1 in 4 children???.......not so jealous about that...

Able to buy guns easier than beer .... i'd rather be a drunk that riddled with bullets

Government putting corporations before people ... unless your rich, thats nothing to be jealous of

Freedom of Speech .... Did that american fighting for the taliban get arrested for fighting against the american government?

Democracy ... you've got it, but then again so do most western countrys..nothing to be jealous of

Wealth...no safety net for the poor as compared to other countrys where a decent social welfare system is in place.

Safety....i'd rather be in this former war torn country, where we're neutral and dont carry guns


If anything the only thing I'd be jealous of is the POWER to CHANGE the world for the better, the ability to help third world countrys and help save the environment.
Unfortunately that doesnt sit in your table of values, unless there is some kind of reward for yourself...dare i mention the "o" word........
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2002, 09:16:18 AM »
^ another great post to counter act that ridicolous "we are jealous of u" statement
"One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. "Which road do I take?" she asked. "Where do you want to go?" was his response. "I don't know," Alice answered. "Then," said the cat, "it doesn't matter."

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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2002, 09:39:06 AM »
man I wish I was in the UK so I could walk down my street smoking a joint like I could do in India

u can't get away with that shit there?
 

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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2002, 12:31:39 PM »
FUCK NO, we gotta keep our marijuana consumptionrelatively discreet, cuz if cops see u or even smell u ur done for...usa has gay ass fuckin ganja policies..well i guess thats one reason America is not a great country, lol
 

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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2002, 10:48:33 PM »
Oh please, we help those fuckin' pethodic third world countries out and ask for nothing in return--no praise, no money, no recognition, no shit!  I have a suggestion:  If America is so bad, you know what I'd do?  Stop listen to music that comes from America!  Ha, put that in your pipe and smoke it!
 

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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2002, 11:13:29 PM »
Oh please, we help those fuckin' pethodic third world countries out and ask for nothing in return--no praise, no money, no recognition, no shit!  I have a suggestion:  If America is so bad, you know what I'd do?  Stop listen to music that comes from America!  Ha, put that in your pipe and smoke it!

that makes no sense - no one on here is attacking american people, just america and it's government and their world policies.
 

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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2002, 11:28:53 PM »
No one is attacking American PEOPLE...just AMERICA?  Hmmm...yeah, that makes sense.
 

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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2002, 11:43:10 PM »
im against america the state - see u can attack the state of america without attacking americans. the state of america means the government and the policies they have. general americans dont write government's policies? half of y'all dont even vote. i got nothing against the individual people - for example you can hate a genre of music without actually hating the people that play it.
 

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« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2002, 01:29:56 AM »
I think some of you bring up good points about our faults, but many are misguided.

Im not going to preach like i know all, but if you were to be more educated on a few topics you may think differently.

Before going any further lets explain this.

The American government's responsibility is first to the welfare of its own people.  When considering such things you have to take aggregate statistics into mind.  For the common person, individual relatoinships are important, actually for all people individual relationships are important.  However, when running a country much like when running a company you have to try to do what is best for the whole.  

Many criticize america for not having benefit packages for the poor population.  Employment insurance programs are proven to raise the rate of unemployment.  This is one reason america is hesitant to strongly support such programs.  Raised unemployment has a number of economic reprocussions. Most obvious is that those on unemployment are in effect an unused resource.  This means a source of economic ineffciency is unused.  Secondly, if we want to create benefit programs then we have to either 1) divert a higher portion current government funds towards these programs 2) raise taxes on the whole population 3) raise taxes on the rich and on corporations.  All of these have negative reprocussions and slow economic growth.  In fact, it is understood that even the relatively small amount of employment insurance we provide negetively impacts the economic in the long run.

Because the US economy is capitalistic and encourages economic growth and strives to maximize it we enjoy a number of benefits other countries do not.  AMERICAN's enjoy THE HIGHEST standard of living in the world on average.  In fact a poor american has a higher standard of living than the average person in some other coutnries enjoys.  

Politics is a difficult task.  Consider how hard it is to run a company of 100 people.  There are constant in company problems.  

People get upset at their bosses.  (The President)

There are intercompany relationships... different employees favor different managers and vice versa.  (Politicans... different parts of the population have allegiance to different political groups)

There are 100 unique personalities that all are pleased in different ways.  (same in the country.  Consider what would make C Walker proud of america, and what it would take to make infinite or prince tech proud of america.. yet who should we please.. if you please one u upset the other)

Different policies have to be set, and revised.  (same in the country just on a larger level)

How can the company create an enjoyable work environment for all employees and still remain profitable?(how can the government please its people and maintain the US position as the worlds strongest economy)


Whats going on with the competition?  (whats going on in the rest of the world?)


How can we keep our costs low and not pollute the environment? (how can we avoid creating environmental disasters without sacrificing jobs, or overall economic performance)

and so on...

so consider this.. for those of you so bent on criticizing the country or any country for that matter.  think of yourself as president of a small business 50 to 100 people.  Pick one in your town even, go visit it perhaps.  Could you walk in today and run that company? Make every employee happy? Be profitable so you can continue to grow?  Constantly ward off competition?  Run your factories (if you have them) such that a minimum amount of pollutions is produced, and no natural resources are wasted?  Create a positive reputation for yourself in the community?  Motivate a workforce of 50 people all with seperate beliefs, and agendas to work for the good of the company AND society (since just like we expect the government to improve society on an international basis your company should have to improve society on a community basis without upsetting any one party)?  and so on...


in conclusion i again say... hold off on the harsh criticisms unless you're really invovled and have a comprehensive knowledge of what is going on.  Running a country is not an easy thing to do becuz no matter what ur actions some people will like them and some won't... how do determine who you should work for?  

if the american government has to make a choice who should it please.. its loyal citizens that take pride in the country.. or people that live in foreign countries, and people in the US that do nothing but slander us... why would it pick the latter?

be real... who are you gonna help more ur friend that has always supported you through think and thin.... or the guy that calls u a fuck up every step of the way?
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #43 on: October 31, 2002, 02:02:24 AM »
In fact a poor american has a higher standard of living than the average person in some other coutnries enjoys.  

thats bullshit.. and you know that... a poor american is really POOOOOR with no roof over the head... thats not the case with many european countries
 

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« Reply #44 on: October 31, 2002, 02:29:00 AM »
In fact a poor american has a higher standard of living than the average person in some other coutnries enjoys.  

thats bullshit.. and you know that... a poor american is really POOOOOR with no roof over the head... thats not the case with many european countries


If you read that statement it is correct you missed a few important words... i wrote "In fact, a POOR american has a higher standard of living than the AVERAGE person in SOME (notice i did not say european countries, also notice you said "many" and not all)  other countries enjoys"

This statement is correct.  

A poor american does not have no roof over their head.  What you are referring to is homelessness which exists in ALL countries  There are homeless shelters for these people.  A person that is poor in america still recieves benefits from subsidized housing otherwise known as the projects or rent controlled living. They also receive welfare.

The average standard of living in all other countries is lower than the average standard of living of living in the US.

Many european countries have decent standard of living certainly higher than the "poor" population in the US, but in many countries outside europe specifically in 3rd world countries the average person's standard of living is actualy below that of a poor american.  

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« Reply #45 on: October 31, 2002, 03:21:40 AM »
In fact a poor american has a higher standard of living than the average person in some other coutnries enjoys.  

thats bullshit.. and you know that... a poor american is really POOOOOR with no roof over the head... thats not the case with many european countries


If you read that statement it is correct you missed a few important words... i wrote "In fact, a POOR american has a higher standard of living than the AVERAGE person in SOME (notice i did not say european countries, also notice you said "many" and not all)  other countries enjoys"

This statement is correct.  

A poor american does not have no roof over their head.  What you are referring to is homelessness which exists in ALL countries  There are homeless shelters for these people.  A person that is poor in america still recieves benefits from subsidized housing otherwise known as the projects or rent controlled living. They also receive welfare.

The average standard of living in all other countries is lower than the average standard of living of living in the US.

Many european countries have decent standard of living certainly higher than the "poor" population in the US, but in many countries outside europe specifically in 3rd world countries the average person's standard of living is actualy below that of a poor american.  



you cant compare usa wit poor countries, usa aint a poor country, so its obvious that some of the poor in usa may have a higher living standard than avreage people in poor countries.....

usa should be compare to countries like great britain, france, germany, sweden, japan, ... ... and the fact is that all the countries i just mentioned have a much higher avreage than usa when it comes to money, when it comes to the way of living... ... but usa do have like a higher bnp than many other countries, but thats because of the few very rich person (bill gates, oprah, 100 other actors and actress, 1000 singers...)... if you remove less than 1 perent of americas richest people, the bnp dives dramaticy... and thats a fact, you can check them stats in your neares library...

and usa have one of the highest % of homeless people when being compared to other rich countries...

 

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« Reply #46 on: October 31, 2002, 05:38:03 AM »
Many good points were made by Ant.
However there was a lot of extreme right thinking involved and I suppose a different set of morals.
It came across to me that you believe economic growth is more important than the welfare of poorer people. I believe until there are major work training programs for the poor to integrate them into the work force, a safety net should be in place. This is the case because the fact is, even if there's a jobs surplus, the workers may not have the skills to fill them. Also, the long term unemployed who are permently a "waste of resourses" still have the fundamental right to a decent standard of living.

However, I prefer not to discuss your internal affairs. Your foreign policies are what bother me. You say that the environment is one unfortunate loss due to economic growth.We may have growth in the short term, but what kind of lives will the next generation have....

Now, as for the american "company", i think it is illegal in business law (not to mention international law) to launch a preemptive strike, in anticipation of one. A good business will do what it does best and handle its business. The dirty ones will try and influence other rivals and use its power to the detrement of those without a vested interest.


oh, and Cracka_J ... most of the american music you listen to is sampled from oriental middle eastern, african and irish music....

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« Reply #47 on: October 31, 2002, 09:27:27 AM »
Not true.  A company can launch a preemptive strike in anticipation.  Even the best companys use ploys as tactics.  

Consider when you are in business other company's are attempting to deceive you, if you demand to stick to your morals and never use the same tactics you will be at a severe disadvantage.

The same holds true in world politics.  Look at what OPEC constantly does to the world economy when they change prices around.   I think i just caught onto a double standard in that comment.  It would be nice if the world was perfect but its not.


Again, America's first responsibilty is to its citizens.  Just like your countries first responsibility is to its citizens.  What kind of government would we be if over the years we sent out our armies to fight and die for their country if in the end we chose to show favor on the outsider and neglect our loyal citiczens.

Like i said, who woud you support the friend that was with you all the way or the guy constantly criticizing?

You can say America neglects its people but my point with the whole economic thing was that it does not.  America imposes some of the strictest environmental regulations in the world, we have a lower tax rate than a good amount of european countries if i remembering correctly, and as far as the "wasted resources" that was a positive comment.  If we have our workers being unemployeed they are not helping the economy, because we have such low unemployment we enjoy a high standard of living on average.  What people often neglect to realize is that our poor population shifts.  It is not the same group of people every year, some remain but many improve while new people take their place.   Coming from a moral stand point yes it sucks, but when you run a  country you cannot look at individual problems, you have to look at the whole.  The same holds true in business, if you run it at the individual level and make sacrfices to help certain groups.  Say by overemploying people with no talent to give them a job you lose in the long run, because eventually rather than continuing to grow and improve you regress and may even close down.  

The same holds true in america.  We can focus on our poor population but that requires sacrifices elsewhere.  Its a tough decision to be made and i don't know the correct one.  Im just attempting to explain another side to the story.

In terms of foreign affairs. It would be nice if we could be honest, fair and just. But the rest of the world isn't always and we have to protect our own asses.  Its my belief that the people who deserve america's support are those that love and serve their country.  As  a country we do a good job of providing for those people, and a decent job at providing for the rest.  But you can't make everyone happy.  Sacrifices must be made.  

On that basis i don't feel any of us have a right to criticize.  Well maybe thats a little extreme, we all have a right to criticize but what bothers me more is the hatred expressed by many people that really don't truly understand everything that comes into play when running a coutry.

I used to criticize and complain but slowly as i learned more i sort of felt ignorant for all my criticism.  I now take the stance of what I don't understand i can't criticize since i dont know the best answer unless i have all the facts.  Also, what i can't change i tend not to criticize.  Rather if my life ever reachs a point where I can make a positive impact then i will wait until that time comes and pursue it.  But being outspoken and inconsiderate in my belief will not help me get to that point.
 

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« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2002, 09:57:29 AM »
America also just came 17th in the world rankings of press freedom.. freedom of speach my arse, hell the UKs even worse than the US here's the run down.


1 Finland 0,50

- Iceland 0,50

- Norway 0,50

- Netherlands 0,50

5 Canada 0,75

6 Ireland 1,00

7 Germany 1,50

- Portugal 1,50

- Sweden 1,50

10 Denmark 3,00

11 France 3,25

12 Australia 3,50

- Belgium 3,50

14 Slovenia 4,00

15 Costa Rica 4,25

- Switzerland 4,25

17 United States 4,75

18 Hong Kong 4,83

19 Greece 5,00

20 Ecuador 5,50

21 Benin 6,00

- United Kingdom 6,00

- Uruguay 6,00


from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2354077.stm

the organisation that made the list http://www.rsf.fr/content.php3
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Re:Why America Is A Great Country
« Reply #49 on: October 31, 2002, 10:14:01 AM »
Ant you say America's first interest is that of it's people, then you say America doesn't do that much for the poor, which makes up a larger percentage of the USA's population than the rich. So by carrying it's policies of giving tax breaks to the rich and then not returning that money back to those that need it they are not looking out for it's peoples interests (unless your rich). Thus that point is irrelevent or your a hypocrit.
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