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Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« on: July 04, 2005, 07:40:29 PM »
I saw something great today. 

I don't know how many of you have followed Ali's career very carefully, but when Ali was young, he was actually named Cassius Clay.  He was kind of unknown, and got a chance to fight Sonny Liston, the heavyweight champion of the world, and beat Liston, in what a lot of people call the greatest upset of all time.  I guess it wasn't really an upset, because Ali truly was better, but nobody expected him to win. 

Anyways, He beat Sonny Liston in 6 rounds (Liston couldn't continue), and shocked the world.  Cassius ran around making fun of Liston, and then ran his mouth from then on (until now, basically) about how he was the greatest.  It was such a cocky display, he beat Liston, stunned everybody, then ran around saying "I'm The Greatest!... I'm a BAD MAN!" on live t.v. and shit after the fight.  At that time, he was the only one who knew he was the Greatest, lol.

Anyways, what happened soon after is what the topic's about, soon after that fight, he met Elijah Muhammad, and decided to convert to Islam, or become a Muslim, whatever you term it.  Anyways, today, I saw footage of Ali's next fight! He rematched Sonny Liston, and I always knew he knocked Liston out in the first round of the rematch.

Anyways, they start the show, and they're calling Ali, "Cassius".  The crowd is booing him, and going nuts, and when he gets to the ring, all of his ring attire says "Muhammad Ali" on the back of it.  It was really striking... they were billing it as "Cassius Clay", and here he was, really thin (206 was the weigh-in), really young, perfect complexion, just a young small thin guy, in this heavy robe that said "Muhammad Ali"... it was almost like seeing the birth of Muhammad Ali, or the legend that that amazing robe represents, you know?  It was Cassius Clay, in a Muhammad Ali robe.  Very strange, it's hard to put to words, but when you think of Cassius Clay you think of one thing, and when you think of who should be standing in that famous white "Muhammad Ali" robe, you think of another thing.  I think it was just his low weight that made it look so strikingly different, but it was interesting.

Anyways, the announcers on t.v. keep calling him Cassius, although his robe clearly says Ali.  Remember he's only won 1 major fight, and this is the rematch, who many expected him to lose. 

They announce Sonny Liston's name, and then say "And his opponent, the Heavyweight champion of the World, "Muhammmmmad Ali!" and the crowd boos and goes crazy... Ali just held one glove up in the air, almost like that pose from the Olympics that year when it was all black on the stand.

Anyways, the thing to know about Sonny Liston is that he was once a gangster, he had ties to the mob, went to prison, all this bad shit.  People even say he threw this fight to pay back some debts, but whatever.  The guy was by all accounts an asshole, and a few years later, he was found shot to death in a motel. 

Anyways, Ali proceeds to just make a fucking FOOL out of Liston in the ring, he danced around him, didn't get hit but maybe once in the stomach, everytime Liston would swing, Ali would dodge, and Liston would try to hit him, Ali was actually blocking the blows or ducking them, bouncing off the rope, this insane fighting style with his hands flying 4 or 5 feet before Liston had time to move, just incredibly fast.  Anyways, Ali barely hits Liston, and Liston goes down.  The crowd starts booing and going crazy, Liston gets back up, falls down again, they stop the match, Ali goes nuts.  He walks over to the edge of the ring, and goes "WHAT'S MY NAME?" and the crowd goes nuts, booooooo , he points at some guy in the front row and goes "WHAT'S MY NAME?" points at another and says "WHAT'S MY NAME?"and is just pointing at everybody and yelling at them, and the crowd hates him and is going crazy. 

The crowd is booing his ass, so bad.  The guy walks up to interview him, and calls him Cassius, Ali flips out and tells him to call him Muhammad, praises allah, all of that, and then they talk about the match. 

Ali says he won because he's been praying and living right, he had Allah on his side.

Then, here's the quote...

They show him the tape of him dancing around the ring, just totally clowning Liston, doing crazy foot moves, etc. and the guy asks him what he was thinking there

Ali says "I was just listening to the crowd boo.  They wanted Liston to win, he's a gangster and a criminal, and I'm living the good life, and I guess they wanted the gangster to win, so they boo'd me"

I almost felt bad for him, because he was 100% correct, it was pretty fucked up. 
 

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2005, 07:46:39 PM »




 

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2005, 07:55:29 PM »
it is fucked up, but Ali sure fucked him up, lol
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2005, 09:37:11 PM »
That quote has a lot of truth to it, white America doesn't like to see it's people turning to Islam like Ali did (although first through Elijah Muhammad and then eventually he found Islam in it's true and universal form).  The United States is at war with two Muslim countries. 

On top of that, Americans of all races love gangsters, just ask Al Pacino and Suge Knight, both made millions selling the lifestyle.  America was founded by gangsters.  First the gangster'd the Natives up off their land, and now today, George Bush is the biggest, baddest gangsta in the world, gansterin' Iraq and Afganistan up off of their land and his partners (Cheney, etc.) are making billions in oil and reconstruction contracts.

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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2005, 10:22:23 PM »
That quote has a lot of truth to it, white America doesn't like to see it's people turning to Islam like Ali did (although first through Elijah Muhammad and then eventually he found Islam in it's true and universal form).  The United States is at war with two Muslim countries. 

yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...

it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer

you're a fucking idiot
 

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Re: Interesting Muhammad Ali quote
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2005, 03:44:27 AM »


yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...

it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer

you're a fucking idiot

Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.
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« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2005, 08:20:29 AM »
the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.


I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.


P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.
 

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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2005, 08:41:04 AM »


yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...

it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer

you're a fucking idiot

Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.

honestly, i think its both man. He could have been a humble black man in the ring, and turned Muslim...they would not have supported him. Or, he could have been a loud mouth cocky Christian black man, they would not have supported him. But to be all three, cocky, black, AND turn Muslim....at that time, hell yeah they hated him. And on top of it, he was good. They hated the fact that he was good.  He was everything that White America (at the time) didnt like, and they couldnt do anything about it.
 

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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2005, 09:37:54 AM »


yeah you hit it right on the head.... in 1965 EVERYONE hated the muslims...

it wasn't because Ali was a newcomer that was a cocky ass black dude and knocked out fan's favorite boxer

you're a fucking idiot

Look man, I'm white, I've grown up around honkies, I know their mentality, the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.

ok ok you're right, white american in 1965 was totally content with a cocky black guy, but he had to go and become muslim and that really made them flip the fuck out and hate him....

do you read what they fuck you're writing...it totally goes anything history has taught anyone else... he was black in the 1960's.... he was a cocky black in the 1960's, you act like that's not reason enough for america to hate him at the time

you're a fucking idiot... you wonder why your religion is so fucked up, it's retards like you that think everyone is out to oppress them.... do us all a favor and grow some balls. strab some fireworks and gasoline on yourself and try to blow up a walmart.... just please don't make me clown you again
 

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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2005, 09:44:46 AM »
What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.
 

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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2005, 10:32:26 AM »
What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.

man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims
 

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« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2005, 12:07:14 PM »
What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.

man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims

Huh?
 

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« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2005, 12:13:45 PM »
What the hell are you guys talking about. He may have gotten mixed reactions in the beginning, but he did such a good job ripping off Gorgeous GEorge and Freddie Blassie that the crowds began to love him a lot by the time the late 60s and early 70s came around. George Foreman was quiet reserved black guy that waved the US flag, but Ali was the good guy when they fought. Not just in Africa but in the US. Foreman was seen as the villain.

man this just to further prove that everyone hates muslims

the confused, brainwashed, white cracker of a muslim said that Ali was hated because he turned muslim... i called him an idiot and you just further backed me up

Huh?
 

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« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2005, 05:30:09 PM »
the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.


I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.


P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.

 i disagree with everything you said about ali, he was the greatest, he went against all odds and fucked up george foreman, no-one believed ali would win but ali, sure it wasnt the best fight, but ali fucked him up in the end, and put georges career on hold for 2 years... same as the other dude, the first match he lost by points, and then he won the second match knockout, i saw the match and i know it wasnt fixed, also ali faught him after he retired, he wasnt even in his prime....

 and i also believe bruce lee is the best known fighter in the world (maybe there is a monk somewhere in a cave ready to tear shit up, i wont out rule that)...
 

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« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2005, 05:48:48 PM »
the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.




I hate Ali, but it has nothing to do with his conversion, or the man himself really. I hate the idea that a guy so protected thouhghout his career because he could draw big money gets so much more acclaim than guys like Joe Lewis, or Marciano. True champions who didn't have to obiously cheat to win. Ali would use the head lock so many times in a match you'd think he was a wrestle. He wore a stomach gaurd that covered almost everything up to his ribs and wasn't asked to lower it once. And let's not forget how he dodged Foreman for the rematch after a probable fixed fight. Saying Ali is the best boxer of all time is like saying Bruce Lee is the best fighter of all time. You might fool the loons, and you may not get to many people to say it on TV, but everyone that really knows what they're talking about knows better. Ali was a charasmatic guy who made a lot of money, and as a promoter there is no one I'd rather have as champ, but as a realist I know better. Just watch the fights and see all the liberties he gets away with and how his opponents always fight worse on the rematch after they had beaten him. When he beat Frasier because Frasier could see and the fight had to stop, Ali couldn't walk and the fight would have ended anyway whether Frasier coulld or couldn't see properly. When he fought the rematch with Spinks you'll notice that Leon isn't punching back, while just a few months earlier he was hitting Ali with everything and beat him. It's a shame Ali had to pay the promoters back at the end of his career. "We do you a favour, you do us a favour". The promoters spent a lot of time to make him seem better than he was so Ali had to sacrifice his health and get pummeled to make Larry Holmes seem better than he was. It's just a shame Holmes had no charisma on the microphone.


P.S. I wonder if he would have changed his name if he new the large part Muslims had in enslaving black people over the years.

 i disagree with everything you said about ali, he was the greatest, he went against all odds and fucked up george foreman, no-one believed ali would win but ali, sure it wasnt the best fight, but ali fucked him up in the end, and put georges career on hold for 2 years... same as the other dude, the first match he lost by points, and then he won the second match knockout, i saw the match and i know it wasnt fixed, also ali faught him after he retired, he wasnt even in his prime....

 and i also believe bruce lee is the best known fighter in the world (maybe there is a monk somewhere in a cave ready to tear shit up, i wont out rule that)...

Of course you think all that because you are a victim of propaganda. What else do you believe? That there really are WMDs in Iraq? Or maybe that there is no racism present in the US? How about the world being hateful towards the US only because they are jealoys of freedom?

  And you get your facts wrong. 1) Ali never KOed Spinks. 2) Foreman was only gone about a year, and had only fought about once a year before that anyway (since winning the title). There was no rematch for a reason. 3) The average top level MMA heavyweight would fuck up Lee. Fedor or CroCop would destroy him. Bruce was like 140 lbs and has no wrestling skills or legal submission skills. He's a one dimensional fighter who's best move was striking you in the balls.

Also Ali has 4 lossseds I believe, Marciano has 0 losses. How is Ali better all time?
 

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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2005, 06:32:32 PM »
hahahahah i never heard such bullshit about ali and bruce lee being wack in my life befo...hahahahaha, ali a cheat?!?! hahahaha...........its nearly as funny as claimin canada got real hoods, i been their, the average kid think he hood livin in a big clean neighbourhood
 

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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2005, 08:51:18 PM »
hahahahah i never heard such bullshit about ali and bruce lee being wack in my life befo...hahahahaha, ali a cheat?!?! hahahaha...........its nearly as funny as claimin canada got real hoods, i been their, the average kid think he hood livin in a big clean neighbourhood

I never said either was wack. They just aren't THE best. And Toronto does have hoods. Where do you live? If it isn't New York, LA, or Chicago, my city is bigger than yours.
 

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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2005, 08:57:42 PM »
the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.


I hate Ali,


You just proved, again, that you're the biggest fucking loser on this board.  If you hate Muhammad Ali, you must be a sad, sad motherfucker. 
 

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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2005, 09:04:09 PM »
Oh, and for the record, I think the crowd was booing him for both reasons... 1. that he was a cocky black kid, unknown, who they viewed as a fluke, and who they thought was a loudmouth, and 2. that he had the audacity to change his name from Cassius to Muhammad.  I will say on the part of the ring announcers, and the people giving the interview, they treated him with respect.  The ring announcer referred to him as Muhammad Ali both times, and the interviewers fucked up three times, and called him Cassius, and everytime they apologized and recalled him Muhammad without a negative remark.  Also, there was a famous interview with Howard Cossell where he refused to call him anything but Cassius, and Muhammad told him it was disrespectful, and Cossell apologized, and said he was right, and that he'd never call him that again, and that was that. 

BTW, Ali is easily the greatest heavyweight to ever fight, there's no denying it by anyone with half a fucking mind or eyes that they can open without their own prejudices coming into play.  I'd be the first one to give somebody credit over Ali, but the fact is there simply is no one in his league.  You always hear the Joe Lous and Rocky Marciano (undefeated) bullshit, but come on, you've got to be joking.  Ali's defeat of George Forman, and his legendary fights with Joe Frazier should be enough to convince anybody that he was literally a god in the ring. 
 

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2005, 09:27:04 PM »
the white people who hate Ali, really hate the fact that he had the "nerve" to change his name to Muhammad Ali.  Because Muhammad Ali is about as Muslim of a name you can get, Muhammad is the name of the Prophet who revealed the Noble Qu'ran, and Ali is the name of the cousin of the Prophet, and the most famous Muslim leader to follow Muhammad.

Had he been a young, cocky newcomer, Christian, Jesus worshippin black boxer named Cassius, they would not have given him the same grief.   Although it wasn't the only reason they hated him, Clay changing his slave name to a righteous Arabic name- Ali- was a huge factor.


I hate Ali,


You just proved, again, that you're the biggest fucking loser on this board.  If you hate Muhammad Ali, you must be a sad, sad motherfucker. 

Nope, it's still you. You can't even take my whole quote where I make it clear I have nothing against him personally. You idiot.

Secondly; have you ever even seen Louis or Marciano fight? I bet you've seen as many Louis fights as you've heard Springsteen songs. Louis was a true champion. Never backed down and never dodged a rematch like Ali did. Louis wouldn't even where the belt until he beat the guy that beat him earlier in his career. The guy ewas all class and all skill. Rock beat him, but that was an old washed up Louis, not the Louis in his prime. How about Foreman, sure he lost to Ali, but Ali lost to fighters too, except Ali got rematches, where Foremannever got his with Ali. What Foreman has that no one else does is two Title reigns in different eras. How many fighters can with the belt in their mid 20s then 20 years later do it again in their mid 40s? When Ali was in his mid 40s he was so banged up he developed diseases. In his late 30s he was getting his ass handed to him by Larry Holmes who was good at best.  I have seen every major Ali fight, and I tell you the guy was all hype. Boxing is like that. Look at Primo Carnera (you probably don't know who that is), he spent his whole career living off of his drawing power in the box office and charisma, he was big but had little skill. What eer fights weren't fixed were a joke. They would feed him second rate guys and pass them off as stars. Until he met Max Baer, who killed men in the ring literally.

Another reason I feel the Foreman fight was fixed was Foreman lost by KO. When has Foreman ever lost by KO. In his late 40s when he fought big young puchers like Briggs and Morrison he wouldn't fall down, but Ali who was never acclaimed for his punching did knock him out. There are 3 possibilities in my mind for the Foreman loss to Ali; 1) they put something in his water, 2) he took the dive for more money or 3) they paid his corner to keep telling him to run around and punch during the rope a dope. Foreman had one of te best corner men in the business, there is no way they wouldnm;'t have realized Ali's plan. There is a 4th reason but it only applies to people who belive in the magic of African Shaman, and the hex they put on him before the fight.

Hey Trauma, I bet you think Hulk Hogan was a better in-ring worker than Ric Flair back in the 80s. LOL. And Billy Jean is a better piece of music than Mozart's Symphony no. 41 in C major.
 

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Hey Trauma, I bet you think Hulk Hogan was a better in-ring worker than Ric Flair back in the 80s. LOL. And Billy Jean is a better piece of music than Mozart's Symphony no. 41 in C major.

well would you believe Mozart was all hype ? back in the days Mozart wasnt the best composer, he just was the most popular, therefore people only listened to his shit and didnt give other composers a decent chance.
 

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there is no way the foreman fight was fixed... ali knocked him out because foreman was so worn down, maybe his corner told foreman not to hit ali too hard, but ali's cockyness got the better of foreman and he did it out of anger anyway...

the frazier fight wasnt fixed either, he lost the first bout and won the second, both bouts were very similar...
 

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Hey Trauma, I bet you think Hulk Hogan was a better in-ring worker than Ric Flair back in the 80s. LOL. And Billy Jean is a better piece of music than Mozart's Symphony no. 41 in C major.


You're so out of your league when you talk to me about these things, it's not even funny.  I guess you think someone like me doesn't know the difference between a Ric Flair match and a Hulk Hogan match, but I've watched both, hundreds of times, and of course I'm intelligent enough to know that Flair was a much better wrestler.

You must think you're more in tune because you've actually heard a few Mozart works in your life, but motherfucker I'm a musician myself, and of course I realize that Mozart's music was much more complicated and a better piece of work than anything Michael Jackson did. 

Did you think you'd blow me away with some bullshit like that?


Now here's what you don't know.  Those weren't soft punches George Forman got hit with in that fight.  If you'd actually watch the fight, dumbass, you'd know it couldn't possibly have been thrown, because Ali didn't lay on the ropes the entire time, he was consistantly hitting Foreman with everything he had, the entire fucking night.  You'd know that Foreman hit Ali a few times pretty good too, and you'd know that Foreman would become enraged when Ali would go to the ropes, and was swinging like a madman.  You'd see the clouded eyes of Foreman as he eventually got so tired he couldn't hardly raise his gloves, and you would have seen the beautiful 3 punch combo Ali laid Foreman out with.  If you think after watching that fight that it was a work, you're a fucking drunk.

Second, Joe Frazier fought Muhammad Ali 3 fucking times, not 2, and all 3 were great fights.  You dont' throw a fight in the fucking 15th round and lose it by decision. 

You must be fucking retarded to think that Muhammad Ali wasn't a bad motherfucker.  Your comment about "wasn't considered a great hitter" shows you know absolutely nothing about the subject.  He WAS considered a heavy hitter, that's the hole in your equation.  Muhammad Ali would knock a bitch like you out with 1 jab.