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Re: For Everyone that hates on Kanye West
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2006, 06:24:31 PM »
Shallow - Props for arguing your points, which are valid.  I agree that its somewhat wack when songs are completely ripped off.  I hold Puffy in a different light than I do Dre or Kanye though.  Puffy blatantly and unapologetically ripped off songs that were already number 1 hits.  And it wasn't like he took 1 element from those songs, and looped it (i.e. breakbeats).  He basically took the song, and threw a rapper on it, and inevitably it blew up.  But just because Dre and Kanye do it from more obscure music doesn't necessariy make it right, but to me, its more credible.  Thats how hip-hop was born - cats didn't have instruments back in the day, but they had records that they could jack instrument sounds from so thats what they did.

Listen to Stranded on Death Row from the Chronic.  The drums on that song are jacked from "When the Levy Breaks" from Led Zeppelin.  Now thats a well known song to some, but it's not like he did to capitalize of the fame of that song.  He did it because those drums SMACK. 


I obviously hold Dre in a higher light than Puffy. It just gets me mad when people give him credit for something like G Thang like he composed it. On 2001 he didn't even give credit. When you take different aspects from different songs and put them together to form a new instrumental then I consider it it artistic. When you base your entire song off one or or aspects of a song you ripped off and not even have the decency to give credit then I have no respect for that.

I know what hip hop was built on, but I don't buy the fact that they didn't or couldn't have played instruments. Musicianship was a key aspect of black society in the years where they had it alot worse and were a lot poorer. That doesn't mean I don't respect the art of sampling or DJing, but I don't consider it very artistic unless it's something like taking one or two little noises from a song and mixing and scratching it to sound like something good, or when the stolen instrumental serves as a back drop for the important part of the song which would be the rapper.

Word.  I don't like people with no originial talent.  They gotta be snatchin' beats to make it heat.  It's all bogus to me.  I bet you that many  rappers/ producers don't know how to compose.
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Re: For Everyone that hates on Kanye West
« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2006, 10:26:46 AM »
^^

so to you SCOTT STORCH >>>> DR DRE

he shits on dre then right?? because scott storch doesn't ever sample he uses the keys
 

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Re: For Everyone that hates on Kanye West
« Reply #52 on: January 09, 2006, 07:02:37 PM »
^^

so to you SCOTT STORCH >>>> DR DRE

he shits on dre then right?? because scott storch doesn't ever sample he uses the keys



As a composer and musician of course Scott Stotch is better than Dre. Is he a better producer? No. Dre is a great producer and I'm sure Kanye is too. I just think it's bullshit that they get prause for being composers. A producer guides the record. Tells the rapper how to rap, or fizes a few parts of the verse to suit the song, changes the instruments round, adjusts the tempo of the song, chooses which parts should be focused on and which should be in the background (for example the flute will be really loud while the piano is soft), helps mix the record, and works on the sound quality, (sometimes a great producer chooses a very distorted sound rather than a crystal clear one because it suits the record better).

It's real simple, it's just too many hip hop fans confuse the word producer with music writer.