Vursatyl (LifeSavas) (November 2009) | Interview By: Chad Kiser

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Interview was done in November 2009

Questions Asked By: Chad Kiser & Norff Wess

LifeSavas Interview Part 1 (Jumbo) (November 2009)
 

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Dubcnn Exclusive – Vursatyl (LifeSavas)
By: Chad Kiser & Norff Wess
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Dubcnn: What set it off for you as far as hip-hop and made you immersed your self in the art form?

It had to do with hearing the Sugar Hill Gang for the first time. “Rapper’s Delight” blew me away, you know? Here, in Portland, there used to be a store called Fred Myers up on Union and Killingsworth, what is now MLK. My brother went up there and bought the 12”. I think like alot of us I was just fascinated. So immediately I sat down and tried to see if I could do it and write some rhymes, you know say something witty. So I think that started the journey.


Dubcnn: How do people react when you tell them you’re from Portland aka Razorblade City?

Cows and farms man! People really think that it’s just like real kind of rural and spacious. That’s people’s ideology of Portland. They think that it’s farmland; people out here harvesting corn, no buildings, no black people. They’re surprised to meet somebody black from Portland. Another thing is that there’s no hip-hop here; I think people are surprised that there is hip-hop coming from this are. So those are some of the misconceptions I think that people have about this area.


Dubcnn: How did you acquire the name Vursatyl?

Me and Jumbo believed early on that your name shouldn’t be something you name your self it should be given, or something your dubbed through experience or through circumstance. So really man I grew up singing; from the age of six I was always singing and alot of people from around the town knew me as a singer. My father’s a minister, so I was raised in the church. If you came to our church on a Sunday I was probably in their singing. But after falling in love with hip-hop, I started to build that reputation around the blocks for being able to do it a little bit on the rhyme side. So I just began to hear alot that man your real versatile you can sing, you can rap and it stuck. Jumbo was like man that’s you. I was like so be it.


Dubcnn: What was the rhyme that made you what to be a world-class emcee?

Well ounce again I should say I’ve shared this with alot of heads; Eric B. and Rakim, the Paid in Full record, as a theme, you know as a theme for my life. I think so many of the lyrics off there, I ain’t know joke lyrics um, those are the things that just hooked me, it sold me, it expanded every thing that I thought It was, you know it destroyed every thing I thought rhyming was supposed to be. It was like it just crushed all of that and then like I said it just expanded all of my thoughts. Wow this is what else is possible. Rakim showed me what else is possible. You know I think as a lyric ” I take 7 emcees put them all in a line and add seven more brothers who think they can rhyme and it’ll take seven more before I go fore mine, now that’s 21 emcees ate up at the same time”. That was just like 'woo!’ It did every thing too me. The visual of it was just crazy and at that time people were more rhyming just for the sake of rhyming; it wasn’t as poetic and as well thought out as what he was doing. It’s so many layers to him man, but Rakim, you know his whole approach to writing, he was the one for me who introduced a real kind of off-beat flow the way the rhyme dropped; sometimes the rhyme didn’t drop on the two and the four, we clap on the two and the four. Sometimes the rhyme didn’t drop on the four sometimes it might drop a few measures later. As a young kid I didn’t real understand it I just thought it was dope, but to have it explained to me what he was doing blew me away but he was just reinventing things, he had a real mellow tone that kind of threw me and made me want to find my own style. It was like he was going against the grain, his tone, his delivery and then written word; he was rhyming with words having more then one syllable to make the hole thing rhyme. You know, something like “renegade, minute made, I never been afraid”. It wasn’t just see, be, we, you know? He was complicating the amount of syllables that you rhyme with, like two and three syllables. So, you know Rakim, man he blows me away, to this day! I think he’s the greatest emcee of all time. It really took his catalogue to get me to the point were I was driven to see were I could take it. “My Melody” was the first song I actually heard. You’re thinking we’re on the west coast, we’re in Portland, so the way I heard certain stuff was different from certain heads at the time. Most people heard “Eric B. for President” initially, but I heard “My Melody” first because this cat from the town named Jerald was walking to school this day and his man had just come from New York and got a mixtape, or a blend-tape as we used to call them back then, and he was playing “My Melody”. After that, I didn't even want to go to school, it was a rap. So “My Melody” the song just drove me nuts, it sent me on an excursion, to this day I’m still just in awe because Rakim is timeless.


Dubcnn: Right now, who are the nicest emcees in Portland and how do feel about our hip-hop community?

You know to be honest I feel different ways on different days. I may see a dude at a show and be blown away, so I’ll have a new passion for who’s doing what. I think Portland has always had incredible talent on every level. I still think that there’s alot of really talented cats from the town. I mean for me there are some staples, honestly for me I think Jumbo as an emcee and being a producer. I think he gets slept on alot because I think that’s nature of being a producer who rhymes. I think Jumbo is the illest cat that I know; free style off the top of his head and sound like he’s reciting a novel; really bugged out way of looking at things cause he’s a dyslexic thinker, cause every thing is kind off rearranged and win it comes out it’s real bizarre but witty and smart, so I appreciate Jumbo as I an emcee. There also is this cat named Nyquil, from Old Dominion Family, he used to be in a group called Front Line. You don’t see alot of him, but I think he’s a wizard. Nyquil, we call him Q, he’s like definitely battling for the number one spot in my mind he’s incredible. I haven't heard a lot from this dude recently he changed his name to Pricey, He used to be known as Bleak, and thought he was incredible and one for the nation to watch. If difficult in Portland cause you’ve got so many Seattle transplants. But if we could kind of mix them I would say Ornery Osborn, Ferocious Emcee and on a battle tip I’d have to put ILLmaculate up there. But yea Portland’s full of talented emcees. As emcee’s we’re alot of the talent that’s not really know, but you know it when you see it.



Dubcnn: Who are your top three favorite emcees dead or alive?

I would tell you this, on different days I feel different ways, but just because I’m on this, recently for me Pharaoh Monch and Myka 9. I mean Pharaoh what can you say?.....you know like he.....see Monch.....and a lot of people don’t know was produce by the same cat that Rakim was produced by a cat named Paul C.....early on you see again were Rakim laid a blue print for all of us and you can kind of see what it gave birth to in a Pharaoh Monch...like it broke the perimeters, now I see were I can take it and Pharaoh Monch took it an ran with that. Really his style, the unpredictability of Monch, but once again from the west coast Myka 9, he’s part of the Free Style Fellowship. In 89 I started hearing about the Free Style Fellowship, or the LA scene by 90/91. Too whom it may concern the Free Style Fellowship album had come out, and I honestly think that Myka 9 is still ahead of his time. I’ve heard in interviews were he said in one song ”I’ve given birth to styles that emcees have built careers on” and I don’t think that’s bragging or boasting. I think it’s been proven, like literally he’s got so many devices, so many styles, I seen cats after him take things he’s done and that’s become their hole approach to rhyming, you know just one little nugget of a Myka 9 song or verse. That’s powerful. So for me today, those are my top three. But you can’t say Slick Rick or KRS-one. You know win it comes to the live show KRS-One there is no other like KRS-One I mean I’m a emcee, been around for a long time, it’s easy to be feeling like you know what you doing you know the game, traveled the world you know you’ve paid your dues, but you go to a KRS-One show! And he says, ‘put your hands up’ and it’s like my hand goes threw the roof! He’s just got command, you know what I mean? He’s one of the people I’d say that was born to do it, he was literally born to do it; put on this planet to do it. So you can’t say KRS-One, Nas as a lyricist on Illmatic, a high criticized record, but in my opinion, it could possibly be one of, if not the greatest written albums in terms of the written word, just on lyricism alone; reading it as literature. So Nas, you know man Biggie.


Dubcnn: What type of music do you listen to besides hip-hop?

Man!! Soul, Gospel, Jazz, but you know I like rap music man. I have Jimi Hendrix, I’m a In Living Color fan, a Fishbone fan, I love the essence of what those guys are doing Bad Brains, I’m a huge Nirvana fan. My man from Blackalicious Chef Xcel he did something man a few weeks after I had met him, he was in a interview, they was asking him what kind of music he dug and he said something really powerful that stuck with me. There are only two types of music, bad music and good music, you dig? So I really subscribe to that I like whatever’s good. And you know what’s good. When I heard Nirvana I really wasn’t feeling like new Rock music, but when I heard Nirvana, I knew immediately that this cat is just incredible. Curt Kobain was a genius man. So, yeah man, I love Rock Music; John Coltrain, Charlie Parker, I’m blown away, Thelonious Monk, I love jazz music I’m going to see Al Green in a couple of weeks. I love music man I’m a big Fala Kutie fan. For years I’ve been digging that hole kind of Afro Beat. So when you exposed to something that’s good man I’m open to all music.


Dubcnn: Ok imagined the world collapsed into a post apocalyptic state of existence, what’s the one essential list of music that you must have?

Man, you putting the pressure on your boy. I would have to say I would take “Inner Visions” by Stevie Wonder, “What’s Going On”, Marvin Gay, “Midnight Marauders”, A Tribe Called Quest, “Love Supreme”, John Coltrain, “Are You Experienced”, Jimi Hendrix. I would have to say “Off The Wall” by Michael Jackson, D’Angelo’s “Brown Sugar”; of course, again Eric B. and Rakim “Paid In Full”, my favorite group of all-time, I’d have “Balloon Mind State” by De La Soul; I would take “3ft High and Rising”, but I’d trade it for “Balloon Mind State” and then I’d say Lauryn Hill, “The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill”.


Dubcnn: How do you feel about the state of the art that is hip-hop music today?

Wow man you catching me own one......But you know what at the risk of sounding jaded I’ll say man I’m a little frustrated, you know just in terms of being a fan, a fan of the music and as I role around all day playing the classics an love the classics, I adore that music it’s important to me......I still like to hear something new and fresh that moves me you know....I still go to the record store and buy vinyl.....so I miss days when I can go to the record store and be really blown away by something. Can I blame that all on what’s coming out, no, you know it has a lot to do with my journey I think.....know what I’m saying?....to be fare to all of us I think when you’ve been on this journey this long it might get to the point were it might take something extra to move you, but I think often times man I’m hearing on albums or CD’s, song’s whatever, we’re hearing the product of what technology has allowed or has afforded us as a race and in terms of humanity and globally.....what technology has afford us.....so often times your hearing people who can put out music as apposed to people who have the gift of music in them. You know we heard talent when we were coming up. Now it doesn’t necessarily take talent to get the deal or to get the vehicle to put music out. Now it’s just like if you can get enough Myspace friends you could (attract a major label). You could develop the platform were the label real wants to put money behind you and put out your music. That’s not bad, but sometimes the music that comes from it, is the evidence of creatively that this person really has to offer and some times its whack.......you know its just whack. Every body should have a chance to make what they want to make, but at some point we lost along the way; ounce the term “hater” hit the streets, we lost the barometer or the ability to say what’s dope and what’s whack. I recall reading specifically in the Source magazine one night were KRS-One had gone on stage and him and Boogie Down Productions forced PM Dawn of the stage. I mean you know do I want cats to be to be doing that nowadays? I’m not saying that but I think it speaks volumes. There was a limit to what you could do and get away with and it’s like you were going to hear about it. You know like somebody in the hip-hop community was going to be upset enough to say, 'no, man let's keep some level of excellence.' Who deserves that power I don’t know man that’s were it all gets kind of crazy. Like you don’t want cats just to be randomly popping up at your shows and pulling you stuff out and just shutting you down. Maybe they not the one, but I think there was enough back in the day were we knew what being dope was. Today I sat and watched a show of the ten or twenty hottest emcees, not the dopest, but the hottest emcees and the criteria for being one of the hottest emcee’s in the game now is swagger. That’s the criteria for being one of the hottest emcee’s. Swagger! I heard several people on this panel that I respect say that lyrics don’t matter, its about your swagger. When lyrics don’t matter, and it seems they don’t nowadays, that has an impact on the music. I think that we see that now were a lot of artists they’re not compelled to right at they’re best, now it’s not about showing skill or talent (in commercial hip-hop) to the degree that it was ounce before. There were great emcees back in the day or great artists that I love who had lyrics written for their album, but they weren’t going around saying I’m the greatest emcee alive. If you had rhymes written for you by some artist, you may have said them on a record, but that was view far and few an in between, they weren’t saying I’m the greatest rapper ever. Were now there is evidence and proof that people are writing some of these guys whole albums and there being called the greatest rapper alive or emcee alive. That’s having a huge impact and I think were not seeing or hearing music being maid at the caliber that it ounce was. Cats is not doing it on the level that they ounce were and beyond that we’re not allowing the cats who are making music on a high level, mass media wont allow that (music) the sort of exposure that it might need upfront.


Dubcnn: The real truth is they’ve excepted mediocrity over excellence. In the media I think that’s the real key and not just journalist’s, but also DJ’s and their the corner stone of our hole movement, when the DJ excepts mediocrity, the foundation of the house begins to collapse.

I agree. KRS-One once said, "your power is where you spend your dollar." Now at the time he said it, it had to be about 15 years ago; really I was kind of like okay, all right. But you know we’re raised in a way we’re you kind of felt like just because we believe in something and we were passionate about it and that was good enough. But you’ve seen the digression of the art form because people go were the dollars are, the dollar motivates the cats decisions, it motivates what he does how he approaches it and now for everybody is it harder and harder, it’s tuff man. Again I don’t want to be hard on cats, cause everybody gotta do what they gotta do to make a living, but money it dictates too often the decisions that we make, especially as artists. I was riding downtown by a club, that at one point in Portland history was the spot, you could go there and hear dope hip-hop. Over time people would come and being programmed they would say “well I can’t dance to that beat”, so put on some of that stuff I could dance too. So the bar is not cracking if people ain’t coming to dance, so the club owner is like hey listen, you gotta play something that’s gone make the people dance or else I’m a have to find another DJ and that’s another cycle man then you get these “roo-dee-poot” cats around here who really ain’t officially DJ’s, don’t really got no talent for DJing, but they willing to play the garbage to make that money and so what it does is force a cat who’s a reputable hip-hop true head to say well let me throw in some of this (microwave music) so I can keep the spot. But after awhile you watch this cat that ounce was playing just good music, get to the point were ether he has to give up his spot or night to this DJ who’s willing to put a random CD and let it play those top 40 hits. It’s an interesting compromise. You can watch House Party and during the movie their dancing and people are hitting their heads on the roof dancing to Public Enemy so you thinking it’s conscious it’s, you got one of the lyricist emcees of our day, you have all that integrity in the music, the production was pushing the boundaries and all of that. Man it was a song with a message and something to say. I can remember being at house parties and high school dances and we dancing to “Heed the Words of a Brother” by X-Clan or you could be dancing to "Raw" by Big Daddy Kane or “Let The Rhythm Hit'em” by Eric B an Rakim. Over time shoot you could even be playing “Straight out of Compton” at a dance man and people be dancing to it. But what happened man the dollar makes every thing go around and ounce they(the major labels) were able to see what sold beyond those mediocre 100,000 or 50,000 records, that’s really what labels, radio stations,(began researching) because they want to make money. I’ve been told by radio station heads that their not a radio station. Most radio stations that we hear right now are not radio stations, they sell advertising space and they use music as a means to advertise the various products by (companies) who’ve bought advertising space on that station. Music is not there main concern; they’re selling advertising and they have a core demographic that they want to reach and so they’re trying to sell their product to these 16 to 25 year old females and they’ll do case studies that show what music hooks that demographic. That’s why when you listen to a lot of main stream radio that’s what your hearing. Your hearing the vehicles to hook this audience so they’ll listen long enough to by a car from Ron Tonkin. So when the dollar motivates what was quote unquote a radio station, your not going to hear Mos Def on the radio like you would like or Cool Nutz (around the country) like you would like to. Your not going to hear them as often because often times in that case study their music hasn’t been proven to hook that core demographic. So all of that has impacted the game, downloading, the music is up against a lot. on the positive side you could slice it how you want. I think there are still a lot of groups still making good music, I think Little Brother is a dope hip-hop group, they make timeless classic music, I’m proud of every thing that’s happening on the west coast, Pac Div out of LA their doing good stuff, Blu, Strange Fruit Project out of Waco Texas, there is a lot of cats making good music, you have to mention Mr. Lift. It’s a lot of cats still making good music out here, pushing the boundaries and doing good stuff.


Dubcnn: Do you think the female emcee can be resurrected?

Wow that’s a powerful one.....you given it to me man....wow....first I have to give respect due to Jean Grae, who’s still very much like a power house, still out there doing her thing. I recently heard new music from Bahamedia. I think the voices are still their. I think the question far me is ounce again, will there be an opportunity for female emcees like Jean Grae or Bahamedia that will allow them to carry on the legacy of female emcees with out having to objectify them selves to do it. Short of that, to answer your question I don’t see the resurrection of the female emcee. I don’t see it man. I think that again, it’s tough to sell albums or CD’s for every one obviously for ladies in a male dominated industry and then over time everybody labels included are scared to take the risk an sign an artist and so we know sex sells. Unfortunately as the years go by the buying audience gets younger and younger. Even though I respect a Foxy Brown or a Lil' Kim and what they’ve done for the art form and the music, I think as the years go by there’s a disconnect from even their hay day. In the young females and males there’s a disconnect and I’m curious to see if they could connect with a Foxy Brown now a days, even though she still may be sensual and sexual an what not. Lyrically I don’t know man It remains to seen. What I would hope is that one of the beautiful things with down loading is I think it is leveling the playing field, we don’t see alot of platinum-selling artists any more. A lot of artists are struggling to go platinum. Think about it, Wu-Tangs last album the 8 Diagrams, sold 80,000 records, the last time I checked It may have sold more since then, but at it’s apex, it sold about 80,000 records. Now you think there have been some independent groups who’ve been selling upwards to 100,000, 150, 300,000 records independently. So I think you can see the result of downloading has impacted a ounce platinum selling group like even the Wu-Tang Clan. A couple of years ago T.I. was the only artist to go platinum in hip-hop. So I think you see the effect that down loading is having on the music. But an independent artist because he doesn’t depend on those major vehicles to sell records can sell a 100,000 units and a artist who was ounce selling one million records is doing 80,000 it’s leveling out the playing field. So it makes a Jean Grae or a Bahamedia way more relevant because they don’t have to sell so many records to be competing with who’s ever quote unquote the mainstream artist, they may not be as visible, but they can become just as important to the world as a artist who ounce was important because they sold millions of records. So it’s like who are people just feeling, so that’s encouraging, so maybe you will see a Jean Grae or a Peace from Seattle and a lot of these other female emcees, start to be recognized for the talent they have.


Dubcnn: It’s been over six months how do think our new President is doing and what’s your personal perspective on his election?

I am enamored! I’m blown away at his poise and his ability to navigate even for this short amount time. I’m a huge supporter of Barack Obama. I think he’s doing an incredible job considering the fact that he has an impossible job. I don’t think that in his tenure he will be able to reverse or make the sort of change that he wants to make; we all would like to see him make because it was handed to him were he won this position with our nation and our world being imperil in the worst way, it couldn’t get any worst. It’s like your handing somebody a car, a fleet of cars, that were just completely dismantled, hadn’t even been connected with any nuts or bolts at all and just saying ‘Go!’ So, how do you win? How do we monitor his progress, knowing he’s starting from negative one million or an infinite negative position, just trying to get us back up to ground level? So, I think the tenacity that he hit office with was amazing to know the first day he already trying to effect change. I think the courage that it takes to do that against all odds is impressive. I’m supporting him, I think he’s up against some impossible circumstances, but just poise and the intelligence that he handles the office with, I think is incredible and I’m glad to be able to watch in this life time. To see an African-American, multi-racial man take office, in the world we live in, where I’m still afraid to go to certain parts of this country, I think it’s awesome! So, yeah man I think he’s doing an amazing job so far and we still are very early in the game.


Dubcnn: On June 25th one the original hip-hop b-boys Michael Jackson passed away, how did Michael’s untimely death effect you?

You know what?, this is the first time I’ve spoken about this since Michael Jackson past, you know it’s hard to really put it in to words. I think it’s amazing to feel that deeply about a person or a figure that you’ve never physically met. It’s amazing that many kind of connections to it, but that’s the impact of greatness. People who are great, events that are great impact us heavily and that’s what Michael Jackson was, he was a huge impact before his death on my life, my artist journey and I was devastated. I am devastated at the loss of Michael Jackson and I was a supporter through all of the controversy. To be honest with you I still haven’t been able to watch or I didn’t the memorial service, I haven’t real watch the tribute to him because it’s been kind of surreal man. I also just wanted to keep in my own mind what I think about Mike and what I feel about the musical legacy. Three days before he died, to show you how much of a fan I am, it had nothing to with his death or passing, but I was online literally for about 2 1/2 hours and it started initially I had gone on there and I was sitting writing a song, sometimes I keep the TV on mute just cause I like to see images pass me by you know it gives me ideas, and the Jackson movie had come on and, they get to a point were they’re showing this Jackson 5 audition, and it got me curious again this is three days before he past, I got on line to see if I could find the original footage of this Motown audition by the Jackson 5, and I had seen it before, but I sat there man and I was blown away. I think we literally saw greatness in our life happening and being able to see it grow for 41 years. I think its incredible that we were able to watch Mike at such a young age and see him almost as great as he would ever be when we first saw him perform. At nine years old he was just as amazing to me as when I saw him 2 years ago on TV. He was blowing me away at nine you know I’m a singer, not a great singer and I grow up trying to emulate Michael Jackson an Jackson 5 songs and to watch Mike at 9 years old never to have (recorded for a major label). To watch him singing I got that feeling by James Brown vocally he was a monster at 9 man at 9 years old he was a monster; he could hit all the riffs, all the vocal subtleties man he was just phenomenal as a vocal talent at 9 and he always gets props for dancing. Today we don’t look for that in artists, back then we looked for some one who got it and who had a knack for it, has a gift and that was Michael Jackson, he had a gift and its not something you could teach at 9 years, if no body in his family could sing as good as him how could they teach him to sing that good?, you can’t it was a gift. So to lose Michael Jackson it’s a huge lost. To finish that man, I sat there and wound up getting reeled in on the computer for 2 1/2 hours watching various Jackson clips, and it was days before he died and that wasn’t uncommon for me to just go on a binge, or telling somebody what I thought about him before he died and it had nothing to do with other than the fact that I am addicted to greatness. I don’t care what you do if your a journalist or an author, singer, song writer an architect. If you do something great man I’m really fascinated with seeing or observing or experiencing excellence. So what else can you say about Michael Jackson? Was he excellent? Yes. Was he great? Yes. So he was one of the many things you hate see go that personified so much greatness.


Dubcnn: The next album bro, when is that next album coming out?

Jumbo and I are working on the record. We’ve sporadically over the past couple of years recorded some stuff and we’re really trying to figure out the next move in terms of sonically were we want to go because each album for us is our way of showing other sides of our self and our expression. An album can often times put you in a box so we’re working on the album an we’re trying to show other sides of that box, people put you in a box, but we want you to see all sides of it before we done. The album is tentatively titled “Identify”. All I can tell you is we’re working on it, we’re now picking up steam and we’re working on it. Ideally I know Jumbo wants to have it done by September or October. Based on label politics, we’ll probably get the album out at the beginning of the year, beginning of 2010. So roughly I’m thinking creatively if we hit our stride, you could look for it in January. I honestly feel good about it now, we’re in a good place musically and ah Jumbo is an animal on the beats. I’m on my way to the Bay. Jumbo lives in Oakland. So I’m on my way to Oakland this weekend. So yeah we're catching fire. I think people would dig what we’ve come up with so far. I dig it, it some of the first stuff I’ve been excited about that we’ve made since Gutterfly and we’ve made a few songs. I think we come up with some songs I’m proud of you know an that takes a lot, cause I don’t like a lot of the things I do. One thing for this record I think me and Jumbo, it kind of continues the journey of Gutterfly, in the since that Gutterfly for us was what we want people to feel from us an not necessarily us trying to make music that will please every body. This (record) is like our opportunity to express ourselves. If you listen to any track on Gutterfly that’s what you can catch me listening to on any given day. You can catch me listening to something that feels like that and so that’s why we’re calling the next album Identify, because often times when your on the road man an traveling, your doing interviews an stuff like that, you always walk away from an interview or a conversation you’ve had with somebody, hoping that when they listen your to record they don’t get you all twisted. Like people after our first record had us twisted and man that’s not how we are at all; we laugh, we joke, we have fun, people think that we’re just this political or serious group. So the next album is like let's let people in a little bit, let’s show them we like to have fun, we like women. So you just want to continue that conversation and let every body we people like every body else, you know? I want to go get something to eat, I want to go to the movies, we play basket ball you know we human man. So Identify, we want the world to Identify, people who like us an listen us to Identify with us, cause that’s the thing that really is what makes our live show. An it makes doing music a powerful part of life when you really can connect with people an they’re like I felt what you were saying on that song. For the greatest music that I love, I connected with it I identified with it, I mean there was something with it that made me go “yeah me too”. So that’s the goal with the next record to let people in a little more and hopefully more people can kind of Identify with who we are as people, as artists, as musician, that’s the goal.


Dubcnn: I believe that y’all gonna make that happen. Once again, I appreciate your time man.

I appreciate you guys for checking in!


……………………..stay tuned to Dubcnn for the DJ Shines interview coming soon!